Comments on: DVR Battles: Supernatural vs. Reaper

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:22:58 +0000

Hi Mel, we don't do this specifically for CW shows, but Bill regularly produces Live+7 numbers for the top 20 shows (both in terms of % increase due to DVR and absolute DVR #s). Many of the CW shows show up. This data trails the normal data by over two weeks. We won't have 2/11-2/17 until Monday March 3, but if you comb through the older stuff, you can get an idea of how the CW shows do in terms of DVR use.

By: Mel

Mel — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:15:35 +0000

Hi Robert,
I was wondering how Supernatural and actually all of the CW dramas were doing in time shifting.

For the big hit shows like Grey’s and CSI the 7 day numbers are just an intersting post script. For the CW shows and possibly bubble shows like Moonlight and Sarah Conners it might have an impact on decision making come pick up time.

If you have the CW shows’ numbers posted someplace already, i apologize — but I couldn’t find it.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:22:58 +0000

Hi Mel, we don't do this specifically for CW shows, but Bill regularly produces Live+7 numbers for the top 20 shows (both in terms of % increase due to DVR and absolute DVR #s). Many of the CW shows show up.

This data trails the normal data by over two weeks. We won't have 2/11-2/17 until Monday March 3, but if you comb through the older stuff, you can get an idea of how the CW shows do in terms of DVR use.

By: Mel

Mel — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:15:35 +0000

Hi Robert,
I was wondering how Supernatural and actually all of the CW dramas were doing in time shifting.

For the big hit shows like Grey's and CSI the 7 day numbers are just an intersting post script. For the CW shows and possibly bubble shows like Moonlight and Sarah Conners it might have an impact on decision making come pick up time.

If you have the CW shows' numbers posted someplace already, i apologize -- but I couldn't find it.

By: Mel

Mel — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:34:25 +0000

Thanks, Robert! It really is a great show, I’m so glad you’re enjoying it.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:18:52 +0000

Hi Mel — because the LIVE+7 info tracks so far behind (it’s almost 3 weeks old by the time its available) I’m moving to doing tables for the Top 20 shows or so, plus some fan favorites on a LIVE+SD basis with age demographic info. Supernatural’s is here.

Supernatural is one of my new favorites. I didn’t think I would like this show, but I was wrong — I enjoy it a lot. I just started catching up a week or so ago and already I’m almost at the end of season 2. I’ll be caught up before the week is done.

I’ll add the ratings for last Thursday’s episode Tuesday or Wednesday (we don’t have the data yet).

By: Mel

Mel — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:34:25 +0000

Thanks, Robert! It really is a great show, I'm so glad you're enjoying it.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:18:52 +0000

Hi Mel -- because the LIVE+7 info tracks so far behind (it's almost 3 weeks old by the time its available) I'm moving to doing tables for the Top 20 shows or so, plus some fan favorites on a LIVE+SD basis with age demographic info. Supernatural's is here.

Supernatural is one of my new favorites. I didn't think I would like this show, but I was wrong -- I enjoy it a lot. I just started catching up a week or so ago and already I'm almost at the end of season 2. I'll be caught up before the week is done.

I'll add the ratings for last Thursday's episode Tuesday or Wednesday (we don't have the data yet).

By: Mel

Mel — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:18:34 +0000

hey Robert, Can you update this for a few more weeks worth of DVRing?
Did you catch Thursday’s awesome ep of Supernatural?
Thanks,
Mel

By: Mel

Mel — Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:18:34 +0000

hey Robert, Can you update this for a few more weeks worth of DVRing?
Did you catch Thursday's awesome ep of Supernatural?
Thanks,
Mel

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:57:41 +0000

You’re welcome, Mel. Gorman insisted I do a DVR Battle that includes his beloved Gossip Girl. I’ll compare it to Smallville and get you a view of 2 more CW hour long shows. I’ll try to get that up over the weekend.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:57:41 +0000

You're welcome, Mel. Gorman insisted I do a DVR Battle that includes his beloved Gossip Girl. I'll compare it to Smallville and get you a view of 2 more CW hour long shows. I'll try to get that up over the weekend.

By: Mel

Mel — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:46:32 +0000

Thank you for posting those numbers, Robert.
I am interested in how all of the hour long CW shows do with DVR viewing. Those bumps may not mean much to the CSI’s on the schedule, but to Supernatural it could be the difference between season 4 and cancellation. I am surprised also about Reaper as the CW used DVR numbers as a reason for the quick pick up of Gossip Girl.

By: Mel

Mel — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:46:32 +0000

Thank you for posting those numbers, Robert.
I am interested in how all of the hour long CW shows do with DVR viewing. Those bumps may not mean much to the CSI's on the schedule, but to Supernatural it could be the difference between season 4 and cancellation. I am surprised also about Reaper as the CW used DVR numbers as a reason for the quick pick up of Gossip Girl.

By: wenart25

wenart25 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:40:30 +0000

Thank you so much for taking the time out to post those numbers Robert. It is really nice to see SN standing on its own, in the rough timeslot it has. And thanks for posting the DVR numbers as well. As Galveston said, anything is better than nothing!

Peace!!

By: wenart25

wenart25 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:40:30 +0000

Peace!!

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:58:44 +0000

Charles: not freaking out it’s definitely good to clarify. These live numbers came from Nielsen. The “Live” numbers for weekly broadcast primetimes shows are posted weekly every Tuesday and may differ from other Live “final” numbers you see two days after the show has aired. Those final #’s are LIVE+SD and include Same Day DVR usage.

In the figures I used in the Table, I used *Live* viewing so that I could completely separate out the DVR usage. Hope that makes sense (and yes, Live+SD — same day DVR usage was was 2.966 million.)

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:58:44 +0000

Charles: not freaking out it's definitely good to clarify. These live numbers came from Nielsen. The “Live” numbers for weekly broadcast primetimes shows are posted weekly every Tuesday and may differ from other Live “final” numbers you see two days after the show has aired. Those final #'s are LIVE+SD and include Same Day DVR usage.

In the figures I used in the Table, I used *Live* viewing so that I could completely separate out the DVR usage. Hope that makes sense (and yes, Live+SD — same day DVR usage was was 2.966 million.)

By: Charles

Charles — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:10:03 +0000

Not to freak anyone out, but I don’t believe these are correct, the final numbers for SN’s premire were 2.97. Just curious as to where these “live” numbers came from?

By: Charles

Charles — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:10:03 +0000

Not to freak anyone out, but I don't believe these are correct, the final numbers for SN's premire were 2.97. Just curious as to where these “live” numbers came from?

By: immie_8

immie_8 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:50:56 +0000

Thanks so much for posting, both here and SN.tv! Glad to see that SN broke the 3 million mark!

By: immie_8

immie_8 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:50:56 +0000

Thanks so much for posting, both here and SN.tv! Glad to see that SN broke the 3 million mark!

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:43:31 +0000

You did it the right way. I thank you for that. The supernatural.tv crowd are always grateful for ratings info. We appreciate it.

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:43:31 +0000

You did it the right way. I thank you for that. The supernatural.tv crowd are always grateful for ratings info. We appreciate it.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:20:17 +0000

Galveston, I just posted this week’s #s on supernatural.tv — hopefully I did it the right way.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:20:17 +0000

Galveston, I just posted this week's #s on supernatural.tv — hopefully I did it the right way.

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:25:13 +0000

I’m gonna let it go that Reaper has a higher DVR number. Most people who do own a DVR only own one, and seeing as Supernatural has more competition I sorta expect the Live+7 to be low with what the show has to face.

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:25:13 +0000

I'm gonna let it go that Reaper has a higher DVR number. Most people who do own a DVR only own one, and seeing as Supernatural has more competition I sorta expect the Live+7 to be low with what the show has to face.

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:30:50 +0000

I agree about the 2.5 million figure, Robert. How can the CW afford to be picky at this point? Most people don’t have more than one DVR. Most people still don’t have DVRs at all. Personally, I’m surprised Reaper hasn’t officially received its full season pick up yet. It’s a matter of survival at this point, and with the strike (likely) coming there aren’t going to be any pilot scripts written and filmed. That’s probably the only reason Life is Wild is still on the air. As for me, thought it’s not appointment television, I’d rather Reaper be successful than that girly teenish show, Gossip Girl. As a female it irritates me that the insipid teen soaps and Top Model are supposedly what appeals to girls. Shows that are written (supposedly) for men are always better in my opinion.

Again, THANK you for the numbers. We appreciate them. Feel free to post them at supernatural.tv if you have the time. The posters there would be most appreciative, as they nervously evaluate ratings every week.

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:30:50 +0000

I agree about the 2.5 million figure, Robert. How can the CW afford to be picky at this point? Most people don't have more than one DVR. Most people still don't have DVRs at all. Personally, I'm surprised Reaper hasn't officially received its full season pick up yet. It's a matter of survival at this point, and with the strike (likely) coming there aren't going to be any pilot scripts written and filmed. That's probably the only reason Life is Wild is still on the air. As for me, thought it's not appointment television, I'd rather Reaper be successful than that girly teenish show, Gossip Girl. As a female it irritates me that the insipid teen soaps and Top Model are supposedly what appeals to girls. Shows that are written (supposedly) for men are always better in my opinion.

Again, THANK you for the numbers. We appreciate them. Feel free to post them at supernatural.tv if you have the time. The posters there would be most appreciative, as they nervously evaluate ratings every week.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:38:00 +0000

as for Reaper vs. Supernatural, I completely agree. any show doing over 2.5 million (live) regularly should be golden on the CW.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:38:00 +0000

as for Reaper vs. Supernatural, I completely agree. any show doing over 2.5 million (live) regularly should be golden on the CW.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:36:25 +0000

Galveston, I agree. Though “Live” is so close to C3 and available weeks earlier, I think Live may be the real standard.

Thursday’s at 9pm is definitely a combat zone – one that makes me happy I have a couple of DVRs!

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:36:25 +0000

Galveston, I agree. Though “Live” is so close to C3 and available weeks earlier, I think Live may be the real standard.

Thursday's at 9pm is definitely a combat zone – one that makes me happy I have a couple of DVRs!

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:33:51 +0000

Also, Supernatural fans shouldn’t worry about comparing it to Reaper. Reaper’s just another show. It had a big push preseason. It’s not do or die for one or the other. Those numbers will probably fluctuate week to week. There’s room for all.

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:33:51 +0000

Also, Supernatural fans shouldn't worry about comparing it to Reaper. Reaper's just another show. It had a big push preseason. It's not do or die for one or the other. Those numbers will probably fluctuate week to week. There's room for all.

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By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:13:04 +0000

Interesting. Thank you for the information. I just wish that live plus seven actually counted when it comes to adverstisers’ rates and renewal decisions. Live plus three or C3 really rules the decision making. I figured there would be some DVR interest in Reaper during the first weeks. It got some decent buzz before the season. I’m impressed that Supernatural has gotten over 3 million live the second and third week. With CSI, The Office, and (the insipid) Grey’s Anatomay kicking ass even when it comes to DVR usage and adding over a million a piece, Thursdays at 9 truly is the timeslot nightmares are made of.

By: galveston

galveston — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:13:04 +0000

Interesting. Thank you for the information. I just wish that live plus seven actually counted when it comes to adverstisers' rates and renewal decisions. Live plus three or C3 really rules the decision making. I figured there would be some DVR interest in Reaper during the first weeks. It got some decent buzz before the season. I'm impressed that Supernatural has gotten over 3 million live the second and third week. With CSI, The Office, and (the insipid) Grey's Anatomay kicking ass even when it comes to DVR usage and adding over a million a piece, Thursdays at 9 truly is the timeslot nightmares are made of.