Not sure the producers are willing to go that way. I wish they would.

Not sure the producers are willing to go that way. I wish they would.

If you started from ‘day one’ using that strategy (and of course picking big growth shows for the week) you would be right in the mix for the lead.

I made over 620 points with Sarah including 476 (still my one show, one week record) in her debut with a whopping 370 growth points that week (and owned it for 3 separate weeks as well).

I like Sarah a lot better now… might have to watch.

If you started from 'day one' using that strategy (and of course picking big growth shows for the week) you would be right in the mix for the lead.

I made over 620 points with Sarah including 476 (still my one show, one week record) in her debut with a whopping 370 growth points that week (and owned it for 3 separate weeks as well).

I like Sarah a lot better now… might have to watch.

And by the way, the rumors about the show are starting to turn into something a bit more substantial.

And by the way, the rumors about the show are starting to turn into something a bit more substantial.

I mentioned I had been checking out NewAm posts and blogs, and if there was one comment that stood out more than any other, it was “…hope FOX doesn’t cancel it after half a season.”

So yah, these kids are wary of FOX getting them invested and then pulling the rug.

As I’ve already said, as with any good Terminator,she’ll be back.

Glad to hear it did well for you. I admit the variance between the opening and the numbers it eventually settled to was pretty huge, but honestly everyone I’ve convinced to watch the show starts to like it. With Fox it’s a tough sell though. I know a lot of people who are waiting it out. They’d rather buy the DVD’s if it does well than get invested in another show that Fox just ends up canceling. I fear Fox has a lot of brand damage when it comes to dumping shows, and, justified or not, I doubt they realize how deep it runs with people.

Anyway I think the producers are on record saying that the series was crafted to take place after T2, and that as far as they’re concerned, T3 and any movies that might continue afterwards, don’t exist. This helps them jump the track, so to speak, so they can make it an open plotline – as much as a show about time-travel allows them to be.

I mentioned I had been checking out NewAm posts and blogs, and if there was one comment that stood out more than any other, it was “…hope FOX doesn't cancel it after half a season.”

So yah, these kids are wary of FOX getting them invested and then pulling the rug.

As I've already said, as with any good Terminator,she'll be back.

Glad to hear it did well for you. I admit the variance between the opening and the numbers it eventually settled to was pretty huge, but honestly everyone I've convinced to watch the show starts to like it. With Fox it's a tough sell though. I know a lot of people who are waiting it out. They'd rather buy the DVD's if it does well than get invested in another show that Fox just ends up canceling. I fear Fox has a lot of brand damage when it comes to dumping shows, and, justified or not, I doubt they realize how deep it runs with people.

Anyway I think the producers are on record saying that the series was crafted to take place after T2, and that as far as they're concerned, T3 and any movies that might continue afterwards, don't exist. This helps them jump the track, so to speak, so they can make it an open plotline – as much as a show about time-travel allows them to be.

Also the genre has a smallish (but faithful) viewership and the opening week was a monster causing me to have much higher expectations on the numbers side. I have never seen even one minute of it, so can’t comment on its quality.

Well I confess I’m in that demographic, and New Amsterdam hits no chord with me. In fact as a net-savvy individual who loves shows with supernatural overtones, I find New Amsterdam to be a rehash of way too many stories about immortals that were, in my opinion, much more interesting. The producers claim they didn’t even recognize the similarities, which to me sounds ridiculous. I mean at least just say you’re attempting to reclaim the immortal storyline for your own or something.

Josh Friedman (T:SCC creator) had the sense to do just that with T:SCC when he was questioned about the many “When robots attack – yet for some reason feel compelled to explore their humanity” stories such as BSG, Star Trek TNG, not to mention the classic Terminator movies that are out there. In fact he admitted he is trying very hard to put his own stamp on things. That’s honest and interesting. And while you may blame the producers/directors/writers, I haven’t seen too many fans blaming them for anything except creating some pretty darn good episodes.

New Amsterdam’s numbers are dropping pretty fast, and without Idol next week I’m curious to see who rushes to tune in. If people do, then good for them. I’d rather watch something I find interesting.

In any case, I admit I was very worried about T:SCC but I decided to give it a shot because I’m a fan of Summer Glau. To my surprise I saw that the show was trying to draw in existing fans of the story, but yet give them something new at the same time, to build a show based on characters, large story arcs, more involved themes, instead of just action and camp. And while the show certainly suffered from the writer’s strike, the episodes got better and better with regard to that attempt right through the finale. In fact their decision to go for “art” instead of a standard action sequence during one of the most anticipated show-downs of the season was just brilliant, and is still being talked about by fans and critics alike.

I really hope Fox picks it up for another season. The show ended up finding it’s audience without any help from Idol or any great lead-in. And I think if Fox gives it a chance and positions it well in their line-up that show could stick around for a while.

I liked TSCC. It seemed a bit slow at times, but that’s really a comparison with the movies, not typical TV pacing.

Because of its demo performance I’d give it a better than 50/50 chance of success.

Karen… I read that story, and if the per/person cost is better for the networks on the net side, one can certainly understand why the number crunchers are pushing to explore and expand.

Also the genre has a smallish (but faithful) viewership and the opening week was a monster causing me to have much higher expectations on the numbers side. I have never seen even one minute of it, so can't comment on its quality.

Well I confess I'm in that demographic, and New Amsterdam hits no chord with me. In fact as a net-savvy individual who loves shows with supernatural overtones, I find New Amsterdam to be a rehash of way too many stories about immortals that were, in my opinion, much more interesting. The producers claim they didn't even recognize the similarities, which to me sounds ridiculous. I mean at least just say you're attempting to reclaim the immortal storyline for your own or something.

Josh Friedman (T:SCC creator) had the sense to do just that with T:SCC when he was questioned about the many “When robots attack – yet for some reason feel compelled to explore their humanity” stories such as BSG, Star Trek TNG, not to mention the classic Terminator movies that are out there. In fact he admitted he is trying very hard to put his own stamp on things. That's honest and interesting. And while you may blame the producers/directors/writers, I haven't seen too many fans blaming them for anything except creating some pretty darn good episodes.

New Amsterdam's numbers are dropping pretty fast, and without Idol next week I'm curious to see who rushes to tune in. If people do, then good for them. I'd rather watch something I find interesting.

In any case, I admit I was very worried about T:SCC but I decided to give it a shot because I'm a fan of Summer Glau. To my surprise I saw that the show was trying to draw in existing fans of the story, but yet give them something new at the same time, to build a show based on characters, large story arcs, more involved themes, instead of just action and camp. And while the show certainly suffered from the writer's strike, the episodes got better and better with regard to that attempt right through the finale. In fact their decision to go for “art” instead of a standard action sequence during one of the most anticipated show-downs of the season was just brilliant, and is still being talked about by fans and critics alike.

I really hope Fox picks it up for another season. The show ended up finding it's audience without any help from Idol or any great lead-in. And I think if Fox gives it a chance and positions it well in their line-up that show could stick around for a while.

TSCC is on par with Moonlight, which dwarfs anything on the CW or SciFi channel.

I don’t know what happened to TSCC, but it seemed like it died for no reason I could figure other than they didn’t follow through after a big start. That’s usually the fault of the back and/or front talent. Just a guess though.

What did I miss? And, this definitely seems to validate the notion that advertisers are willing to pay more for younger viewers. Something I didn’t actually need any more validation on, but I know some of you don’t buy that.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/3/cbs__online_ad_rates_higher_that_primetime_tv

I liked TSCC. It seemed a bit slow at times, but that's really a comparison with the movies, not typical TV pacing.

Because of its demo performance I'd give it a better than 50/50 chance of success.

Karen… I read that story, and if the per/person cost is better for the networks on the net side, one can certainly understand why the number crunchers are pushing to explore and expand.

TSCC is on par with Moonlight, which dwarfs anything on the CW or SciFi channel.

I don't know what happened to TSCC, but it seemed like it died for no reason I could figure other than they didn't follow through after a big start. That's usually the fault of the back and/or front talent. Just a guess though.

What did I miss? And, this definitely seems to validate the notion that advertisers are willing to pay more for younger viewers. Something I didn't actually need any more validation on, but I know some of you don't buy that.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/3/cbs__online_…

Are you a Science Fiction fan?

I happened to check out some board posts and blogs on New Amsterdam (and then looked at the profiles of the posters). This show (and others of this genre) seem to hit a chord with the 18-34 group who are very net-savvy and devoted. I was doing a little homework for the BigShot game and was struck by the passion and networking these viewers have for shows with supernatural overtones.

As for ‘Sarah’ – the show just didn’t have the staying power that one might have guessed. I have to blame the producers/directors/writers for not coming through for their fans.

I am not a real fan of either, but checked them out a little before passing. NewAm does have a certain chemistry, but these kinds of storylines don’t hold my attention.

Are you a Science Fiction fan?

I happened to check out some board posts and blogs on New Amsterdam (and then looked at the profiles of the posters). This show (and others of this genre) seem to hit a chord with the 18-34 group who are very net-savvy and devoted. I was doing a little homework for the BigShot game and was struck by the passion and networking these viewers have for shows with supernatural overtones.

As for 'Sarah' – the show just didn't have the staying power that one might have guessed. I have to blame the producers/directors/writers for not coming through for their fans.

I am not a real fan of either, but checked them out a little before passing. NewAm does have a certain chemistry, but these kinds of storylines don't hold my attention.

You never saw Fox help out Sarah Connor with American Idol. And what did they put after the Super Bowl? House. Like they really needed the boost. Even Bones would have been a better choice, that show is on a good role right now and could have used the boost.

Remember that exchange a few weeks ago about being a FOX programmer. Can’t stress enough what a job they are doing using AmerIdol to capture viewers and numbers and then switch these people to new nights and times.

Case in point: New Amsterdam. The AI bleed over not only made me watch the last couple of AI minutes, but I see where they got a first 15min of 14.9mil. It held 12.4 and now they are switching it (and its followers, who seem to be blogging and posting up a storm on the tv.com web pages) to Monday at 9pm following the debut of Canterbury, which appears to be in soft against a HIMYM rerun and the weakening ‘My Dad..”.

Brilliant