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Sometimes It’s Over Before Carol Barbee Says It’s Over

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March 27th, 2008

Skeet Ulrich, Lennie James and Carol Barbee in Happier TimesThis is one of those times. And I'll up the ante of a dozen roses and twelve pounds of nuts to also include washing her car and doing her landscaping work for a year if I'm wrong. But it's over. I could see a direct to DVD movie a la what Stargate: SG1 did with "Ark of the Truth". BTW, I haven't been pimping that DVD on our site largely because it wasn't very good. I mean it was OK, and it was good to see the first team in action again, and it was nice to get closure on the story, but it wasn't very good.

Ok, back to Jericho. It's not coming back. The fat lady has sung, only Carol Barbee must have in the earplugs or, she's like me and has her iPod earbuds in at all times and is effectively saying to the world, "La la la la la, I'm not listening to you!" Sometimes that's a pretty grand thing to do. Thank you, Steve Jobs! Best earbuds ever. Just the generic ones that come with the iPod and the iPhone - none of the "cost extra" stuff, even the ones sold by Apple are better in my estimation.

It could well be that in 10 years from now, Barbee will still be saying, "we're looking at doing something...." But just because you declare something isn't over doesn't mean it isn't. Combing the net and making a few phone calls it would seem that apparently the budget for Jericho was about twice that of your average show being made on the SciFi channel. I would be much more optimistic if it had been 25% more expensive or even 50%, but when you get to the 100% level, that's not good.

It would be different if it started on the SciFi channel at half the budget and then migrated to broadcast - that's a whole lot easier to pull off.

While I am perhaps not the "average" Jericho fan, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that if Skeet Ulrich and Lennie James aren't part of the ensemble, I won't be watching no matter where they put the show. I'd prefer it if they could keep Esai Morales as well - I liked the Beck character a lot.

And here's where the problem comes in. The show has been cancelled. No new deal has been done.

What's bound to happen soon: Lennie James, Esai Morales, and Skeet Ulrich are going to get, you guessed it, JOB OFFERS. Because they're good actors. I think Brad Beyer and Alicia Coppola (no relation to Francis Ford Coppola, so she's not getting props simply because GF1 and GF2 are like my favorite movies of all time) were great, too.

Skeet, Lennie , Esai, Brad, Alicia and all the rest of the cast: they can't exist on the nuts fans will send them. They have to eat, and live, and they like their craft I imagine. Especially in the cases of Esai, Lennie and Skeet, they're not going to want to take a huge pay cut. And if they're cut out of the show altogether? There is no show.

One thing that is absolutely, definitely, one hundred percent NOT going to happen is for Jericho to move to the CW. I know I myself pitched that a while back, but it's not happening. CBS has operational control over the CW (and Warner, although it gave CBS this control is now not happy about it apparently). CBS called "game over" for Jericho. If it was going to wind up on the C-dub, they'd have aired the cliffhanger and then announced with the ‘voice of God', "Catch an all new Jericho next fall on the CW!" That's not what happened though. What happened is CBS cancelled the show altogether. The CW is not happening for Jericho.

I don't believe the SciFi channel, or any other network will either. I understand that like the fans, Carol Barbee wishes this were not the case. I don't blame her. But as Patrick Stewart once uttered in the role of Jean-Luc Picard, "Wishing for a thing does not make it so."

To stay with the Jean-Luc theme, resistance is futile. Jericho, sad as it is. Is over. Even though Barbee hasn't copped to that yet.

Ms. Barbee, if it turns out I'm wrong, in another incarnation I spent 7 years working on a golf course. I'm pretty good with a lawnmower.

For fans who don't care that wishing for a thing doesn't make it so, you can join Carol Barbee in her wishful thinking by listening to her interview with Shaun Daily on Blog Talk Radio.

Farewell, Jericho, you will be missed! But it's over. It won't break my heart to be wrong here, even if it means I'm going to have to redevelop calloused hands. But, obviously, I don't think I'm wrong.

But as Gorman loves to say, "Often wrong, never in doubt..." I do live up to that pretty well, and will be the first to admit that as much as I love speculating and prognosticating, and as often as I am right...often right isn't always right. But I feel strongly enough that I'm willing to risk the flowers, nuts, car washing and landscaping services.

 
  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    @Robert: I think you misspelled your intended misspelling of my last name. But you should have changed it from Seamen to “Anonymous Coward” since that’s what you are. No need for any expertise in figuring that out.

    I never called myself an expert (and still don’t!). I believe I’m as right about this as I was about calling CBS’ cancelling Jericho based on the season 2 premiere numbers — but that didn’t require any real expertise either.

    @Jerichofan – thank you, and I really do hope your dream comes true.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    @Robert: I think you misspelled your intended misspelling of my last name. But you should have changed it from Seamen to “Anonymous Coward” since that's what you are. No need for any expertise in figuring that out.

    I never called myself an expert (and still don't!). I believe I'm as right about this as I was about calling CBS' cancelling Jericho based on the season 2 premiere numbers — but that didn't require any real expertise either.

    @Jerichofan – thank you, and I really do hope your dream comes true.

  • Steve W

    Robert,

    I am a huge Jericho fan and don’t share your opinion that the show is finished, but do appreciate the fact that you are willing to “mix it up” with your detractors. How much of the cancellation had to do with the fact that the networks can’t properly value DVD, DVR, iTunes and web #’s? As many have said, regardless of what happens with Jericho, one of its legacies will be how these new mediums must be included in evaluating a show.

  • Steve W

    Robert,

    I am a huge Jericho fan and don't share your opinion that the show is finished, but do appreciate the fact that you are willing to “mix it up” with your detractors. How much of the cancellation had to do with the fact that the networks can't properly value DVD, DVR, iTunes and web #'s? As many have said, regardless of what happens with Jericho, one of its legacies will be how these new mediums must be included in evaluating a show.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    Steve, thanks. My opinion is that it had nothing to do with CBS’ inability to value DVD, DVR and iTunes/unbox sales and web numbers properly. Unlike me, CBS has all of that actual data (well we have the DVR data, but otherwise…). With the DVR stuff Jericho had pretty good numbers but even adding them in, it wasn’t enough to save the show.

    In the case of DVD and iTunes revenue, from what i gather (unverified, couldn’t get good numbers for either) it was peanuts. But there are fairly reliable sources for weekly DVD sales, and Jericho never made any of those charts sadly.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    Steve, thanks. My opinion is that it had nothing to do with CBS' inability to value DVD, DVR and iTunes/unbox sales and web numbers properly. Unlike me, CBS has all of that actual data (well we have the DVR data, but otherwise…). With the DVR stuff Jericho had pretty good numbers but even adding them in, it wasn't enough to save the show.

    In the case of DVD and iTunes revenue, from what i gather (unverified, couldn't get good numbers for either) it was peanuts. But there are fairly reliable sources for weekly DVD sales, and Jericho never made any of those charts sadly.

  • Tony

    Hey, this guy is giving the ratings breakdown and is giving an objective view. He also took the time and effort to watch every single episode so at least knows what he’s talking about. Some people I know just look at the numbers and say the show is stupid or not good enough because it doesn’t attract viewers. I’ve also been burned in the past with cancelled shows so I think I have an idea of what you fans are feeling. I completely share Robert’s opinion on this matter and I also thought the second season was good. Especially the finale.
    When Firefly got cancelled at least they got the movie Serenity. Although it tanked it added so much to the story and we got some legendary fight sequences thanks to a certain little lady who’s name I don’t even have to mention. I hope you guys get something similar in the future.

  • Tony

    Hey, this guy is giving the ratings breakdown and is giving an objective view. He also took the time and effort to watch every single episode so at least knows what he's talking about. Some people I know just look at the numbers and say the show is stupid or not good enough because it doesn't attract viewers. I've also been burned in the past with cancelled shows so I think I have an idea of what you fans are feeling. I completely share Robert's opinion on this matter and I also thought the second season was good. Especially the finale.
    When Firefly got cancelled at least they got the movie Serenity. Although it tanked it added so much to the story and we got some legendary fight sequences thanks to a certain little lady who's name I don't even have to mention. I hope you guys get something similar in the future.

  • Karen

    I really do appreciate that Robert watched all the shows actually. I still hope that this blog entry is wrong and Jericho proves you can make history more than once.

  • Karen

    I really do appreciate that Robert watched all the shows actually. I still hope that this blog entry is wrong and Jericho proves you can make history more than once.

  • andrew

    As we all know, money talks. Part of the problem with Jericho is not the budget for special effects. After all, it couldn’t cost that much to do some of the explosions we saw. The problem lies within the casting of the characters.

    When you have big names like Pamela Reed and Gerald McRaney, regardless of their age, of course their salaries are going to be high. Combine them with Skeet Ulrich and Esai Morales and you can only imagine what it must cost to keep them. The rest of the cast is relatively unknown, except for Ashley Scott from Birds of Prey, as well as D.B. Sweeney.

    I’m not trying to attack the actors, but a lot of this boils down to celebrity ego, who’s getting what and who’s not. The only reason Pamela and Gerald were let go was because it COST too much to keep them in every episode.

    I think part of Robert’s post is to point this out. I’m not saying you don’t need a couple big names to headline a show, but I think Jericho was a bit ambitious (and dare I say it, pretentious) with their casting choices.

    It would’ve been wiser for them to try and go with an unknown cast because they would’ve saved even more money. Thus, keeping costs lower. Part of the reason some shows survive is not because of how many viewers it gets or how big the effects are, it’s cost. CBS will probably order another season of Moonlight not because it’s the best show on television, but because they don’t have so much money invested in it as there was for Jericho.

    Money was a major factor in CBS’ decision.

    I can be objective. This is the same person that made a remark about Julie Chen and Les Moonves (and how it’s not just business), which never got published for some reason.

    With that said, I would still love to see it come back, if ever, because it really was one of those shows that was about standing up for what you believe in.

  • andrew

    As we all know, money talks. Part of the problem with Jericho is not the budget for special effects. After all, it couldn't cost that much to do some of the explosions we saw. The problem lies within the casting of the characters.

    When you have big names like Pamela Reed and Gerald McRaney, regardless of their age, of course their salaries are going to be high. Combine them with Skeet Ulrich and Esai Morales and you can only imagine what it must cost to keep them. The rest of the cast is relatively unknown, except for Ashley Scott from Birds of Prey, as well as D.B. Sweeney.

    I'm not trying to attack the actors, but a lot of this boils down to celebrity ego, who's getting what and who's not. The only reason Pamela and Gerald were let go was because it COST too much to keep them in every episode.

    I think part of Robert's post is to point this out. I'm not saying you don't need a couple big names to headline a show, but I think Jericho was a bit ambitious (and dare I say it, pretentious) with their casting choices.

    It would've been wiser for them to try and go with an unknown cast because they would've saved even more money. Thus, keeping costs lower. Part of the reason some shows survive is not because of how many viewers it gets or how big the effects are, it's cost. CBS will probably order another season of Moonlight not because it's the best show on television, but because they don't have so much money invested in it as there was for Jericho.

    Money was a major factor in CBS' decision.

    I can be objective. This is the same person that made a remark about Julie Chen and Les Moonves (and how it's not just business), which never got published for some reason.

    With that said, I would still love to see it come back, if ever, because it really was one of those shows that was about standing up for what you believe in.

  • Kennith Perry

    As much as I hate to say it, I believe you are right. I love Jericho but I think it is over.

  • Kennith Perry

    As much as I hate to say it, I believe you are right. I love Jericho but I think it is over.

  • Jackie Mitchell

    Yeah, I’m one of those Jericho rangers who say “never say never.” I’ll continue to fight for a quality tv show. Hey, which beach are you on? If you’re in south Florida I’d make a point to kick sand on you!! Just kidding! I enjoy your remarks however skewed they may be.

  • Jackie Mitchell

    Yeah, I'm one of those Jericho rangers who say “never say never.” I'll continue to fight for a quality tv show. Hey, which beach are you on? If you're in south Florida I'd make a point to kick sand on you!! Just kidding! I enjoy your remarks however skewed they may be.

  • Daryl

    I can’t understand why this is an expensive show to film.

  • Daryl

    I can't understand why this is an expensive show to film.

  • Hooper

    Jericho is expensive *relative to the rest of the lineup.* Unscripted shows don’t need teams of writers, editors, and so forth – they need a small crew to string together the various events into a coherent narrative, but they don’t need the kind of writing that a scripted show does. Actors are more expensive than getting some jerkwads off the street to come in for a couple grand and a shot at a new car. You just need *more stuff,* relative to an unscripted show. Jericho may cost less than CSI or NCIS, but those also brought in waaaaaay more viewers.

  • Hooper

    Jericho is expensive *relative to the rest of the lineup.* Unscripted shows don't need teams of writers, editors, and so forth – they need a small crew to string together the various events into a coherent narrative, but they don't need the kind of writing that a scripted show does. Actors are more expensive than getting some jerkwads off the street to come in for a couple grand and a shot at a new car. You just need *more stuff,* relative to an unscripted show. Jericho may cost less than CSI or NCIS, but those also brought in waaaaaay more viewers.

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