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Buck Up Jericho Fans: I'm Often Wrong

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March 28th, 2008

Washington Capital’s Owner, Ted LeonsisWhile I still don't think I'm wrong about this, let there be no doubt about the frequency that I'm wrong.  As if it wasn't bad enough that I was eliminated from the NCAA "Calcutta Auction" I participate in during the first weekend of action,  I had to get b*tch-slapped by "my favorite mogul," former AOL executive and Washington Capitals owner, Ted Leonsis.

I hadn't communicated with Ted in years before getting into a debate with him about NHL Nielsen ratings about 9 months ago.  We knew we were going to launch this site and were doing a look at some sports data.  I lost that debate.  And since then I've now lost about four others. I'm like 0-5 with Ted in the last 9 months.  Not a good track record. Ted himself has more or less pointed out to me that there is questionable merit to trusting myself, an unemployed blogger, more than him. 

But as with the NHL Nielsen ratings, I thought I had him this time because it was statistics and math!  Ted and I had several correspondence over whether the Washington Capitals were a .500 team.  Thinking I had math on my side, I said "there's certainly a way to look at it where you're not a .500 team!"  Before last night's come-from-behind road win versus Tampa the Capitals had played 77 games and had a record of 38-31-8 (wins-losses-and not ties, but overtime losses).  I told Ted that if ties were neutral,  they'd won 38 out of 77 games played which equals a winning percentage of less than 50%.

Ted sent me the link to this discussion and I finally figured out that all that really matters in terms of making the playoffs or anything else in the NHL is points.  A win gets you two points, a loss in overtime gets you one point.  Since through 77 games the maximum points available were 154, and since through 77 games the Capitals had 84 points which is more than half of the maximum points they could've he was absolutely right and I was absolutely wrong, at least when it comes to anything that really matters.

Washington Capitals
Thankfully they won last night, got the two points and kept pace with those ahead of them in the playoff chase and are now .500 by any metric, including % of games played that were won, which really doesn't matter at all.  Making the playoffs does matter though, so GO CAPS!

Sometimes, when I try to use statistics to prove Ted wrong, he won't let it rest until I impale myself on the "Damn, I was wrong AGAIN" sword, so consider this my impaling.  Who knows, I might be wrong about Jericho too.  I know this post is sort of off-topic, but I've been told by the blogging experts that it's OK to have one or two off-topic posts a month as long as you don't make it a regular thing, and I thought some of the Jericho faithful would appreciate the public impaling!

 
  • christinek

    I for one hope you are wrong about Jericho. I do know that there are talks going on with SciFi.They want to see our numbers. Go there now Rangers and sign up. There still is a chance. Carol Barbee also said that they wouldn’t be in talks if the cast wasn’t still interested. There is a built in audience ready to watch.

  • christinek

    I for one hope you are wrong about Jericho. I do know that there are talks going on with SciFi.They want to see our numbers. Go there now Rangers and sign up. There still is a chance. Carol Barbee also said that they wouldn't be in talks if the cast wasn't still interested. There is a built in audience ready to watch.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    I’m admittedly not a hockey fan, but I always thought that the point system was confusing, but had to be there to take into account the ties that were relatively common.

    When the NHL went to the “no ties” system they could have gotten rid of the third column and the points system altogether and settled on wins and losses like every other sport [that matters] in this country.

    Instead they just went to adding an *extra* point to any game that initially ends in a tie. Instead of awarding a total of 2 points, those games award a total of 3 points [2 to the winner one to the loser].

    The third column lives, long live the third column!

    I await the incoming beat down by NHL fans. ;)

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    I'm admittedly not a hockey fan, but I always thought that the point system was confusing, but had to be there to take into account the ties that were relatively common.

    When the NHL went to the “no ties” system they could have gotten rid of the third column and the points system altogether and settled on wins and losses like every other sport [that matters] in this country.

    Instead they just went to adding an *extra* point to any game that initially ends in a tie. Instead of awarding a total of 2 points, those games award a total of 3 points [2 to the winner one to the loser].

    The third column lives, long live the third column!

    I await the incoming beat down by NHL fans. ;)

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Christine,
    If in fact there are talks going on between the producers of Jericho and SciFi, I think that instead of focusing your efforts on SciFi, fans should focus them on Carol Barbee and the producers and stars of the show.

    There is nothing you’re going to show/tell SciFi that they don’t already know. They have all the numbers on Jericho they need.

    My guess is that if there is a deal that is possible, and it is being held up by anything, it’s being held up by the monetary demands by the producers of Jericho [or the relevant cast via the producers].

    You should be haranging the producers with cries of “accept less money, we want Jericho!”

    I’d propose that has a far better chance of success.

    EDIT: Not that it necessarily has any chance of success either, but at least it makes sense.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Christine,
    If in fact there are talks going on between the producers of Jericho and SciFi, I think that instead of focusing your efforts on SciFi, fans should focus them on Carol Barbee and the producers and stars of the show.

    There is nothing you're going to show/tell SciFi that they don't already know. They have all the numbers on Jericho they need.

    My guess is that if there is a deal that is possible, and it is being held up by anything, it's being held up by the monetary demands by the producers of Jericho [or the relevant cast via the producers].

    You should be haranging the producers with cries of “accept less money, we want Jericho!”

    I'd propose that has a far better chance of success.

    EDIT: Not that it necessarily has any chance of success either, but at least it makes sense.

  • christinek

    Bill, If you went to the Jericho forum at SciFi then you would know that they accepted less money to do season 2 and would be willing to do that at Sci Fi as well. Sci Fi was considering do their own Jericho type show.But why not do the original with a built-in audience?

  • christinek

    Bill, If you went to the Jericho forum at SciFi then you would know that they accepted less money to do season 2 and would be willing to do that at Sci Fi as well. Sci Fi was considering do their own Jericho type show.But why not do the original with a built-in audience?

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Guilty as charged, I have not been to the Jericho fan forums!

    And christinek, you at least recognize what many of the other fans do not.

    It’s all about the money.

    That answers all the questions you might have.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    Guilty as charged, I have not been to the Jericho fan forums!

    And christinek, you at least recognize what many of the other fans do not.

    It's all about the money.

    That answers all the questions you might have.

  • christinek

    Bill, I never said it was all about the money.The producers and actors took a pay cut because they wanted to continue with the Jericho story.That is what it is about:the story.

  • christinek

    Bill, I never said it was all about the money.The producers and actors took a pay cut because they wanted to continue with the Jericho story.That is what it is about:the story.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    Christine, their paycut got the cost down from like 3 million per episode to just north of 2.5 million per episode and I’d argue 100% of that almost was from killing off Gerald Mcraney. They need to cut the remainder in half to make it work on SciFi. Not bloody likely.

    BTW, Carol began her Hollywood career as an actress. I’d submit that she’s “acting” now.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    Christine, their paycut got the cost down from like 3 million per episode to just north of 2.5 million per episode and I'd argue 100% of that almost was from killing off Gerald Mcraney. They need to cut the remainder in half to make it work on SciFi. Not bloody likely.

    BTW, Carol began her Hollywood career as an actress. I'd submit that she's “acting” now.

  • david gifford

    Robert, you mean Carol knows that the fat lady has sung her song and that’s just ACTING like there’s hope so that we Jericho Nuts won’t all collectively be jumping out of windows? That did occur to me, the “let them down easily” approach. I just think Ulrich and James are too “big” now to have to accept a 50% pay cut.

    I sure wish they would though.

  • david gifford

    Robert, you mean Carol knows that the fat lady has sung her song and that's just ACTING like there's hope so that we Jericho Nuts won't all collectively be jumping out of windows? That did occur to me, the “let them down easily” approach. I just think Ulrich and James are too “big” now to have to accept a 50% pay cut.

    I sure wish they would though.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    David — not really. I think Carol must “love” the fan support, but loving the fan support and caring about the fans are two different things.

    The notion that her ego here is any smaller than a network executive’s though is complete folly.

    My opinion is she uses the fans to suit her purposes because it’s the only card she has to play. A part of me finds this completely reprehensible, but on the other hand it is the only hope she has of actually saving the show — which is what the fans want. It’s a bit of catch-22.

    if Barbee and Turtletaub each took 50% paycuts, perhaps Ulrich and James wouldn’t have to. That’s also in the realm of: not bloody likely.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    David — not really. I think Carol must “love” the fan support, but loving the fan support and caring about the fans are two different things.

    The notion that her ego here is any smaller than a network executive's though is complete folly.

    My opinion is she uses the fans to suit her purposes because it's the only card she has to play. A part of me finds this completely reprehensible, but on the other hand it is the only hope she has of actually saving the show — which is what the fans want. It's a bit of catch-22.

    if Barbee and Turtletaub each took 50% paycuts, perhaps Ulrich and James wouldn't have to. That's also in the realm of: not bloody likely.

  • http://www.crisscrossmania.com/jericho.shtml jerichofan12

    There goes my Buffalo Sabres :(

  • http://www.crisscrossmania.com/jericho.shtml jerichofan12

    There goes my Buffalo Sabres :(

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