Comments on: Weekly Network Ratings: April 7-13, Fox Edges CBS http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:08:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ~Anna~ http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-10018 ~Anna~ Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:48:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-10018 The people in charge of CW forgot to read up on basic Business 101. WB had hits (at least in terms of this netlet) with Buffy and Angel. When they combined with UPN to form CW, they gifted a couple of more hits: Smallville and Supernatural. But chasing after that so-called coveted demographic turned Smallville into a former shell of itself by systematically removing any actor over age 35 from the line-up. Then they tried to mandate T&A into Supernatural as well, rather than allowing the creators to just do their jobs and continue to run their shows successfully and with quality. CW =IS= a trainwreck, but there are a couple of things to consider in these numbers: the effect of the strike and the fact that CW is not in all markets, whereas the other networks are. The reality fare is understandable since it doesn't cost much to produce. But Gossip Girl, How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls, and a 90210 revival... is it me or is there a (bad)pattern here? The people in charge of CW forgot to read up on basic Business 101. WB had hits (at least in terms of this netlet) with Buffy and Angel. When they combined with UPN to form CW, they gifted a couple of more hits: Smallville and Supernatural. But chasing after that so-called coveted demographic turned Smallville into a former shell of itself by systematically removing any actor over age 35 from the line-up. Then they tried to mandate T&A into Supernatural as well, rather than allowing the creators to just do their jobs and continue to run their shows successfully and with quality.

CW =IS= a trainwreck, but there are a couple of things to consider in these numbers: the effect of the strike and the fact that CW is not in all markets, whereas the other networks are. The reality fare is understandable since it doesn’t cost much to produce. But Gossip Girl, How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls, and a 90210 revival… is it me or is there a (bad)pattern here?

]]> By: ~Anna~ http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-17944 ~Anna~ Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:48:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17944 The people in charge of CW forgot to read up on basic Business 101. WB had hits (at least in terms of this netlet) with Buffy and Angel. When they combined with UPN to form CW, they gifted a couple of more hits: Smallville and Supernatural. But chasing after that so-called coveted demographic turned Smallville into a former shell of itself by systematically removing any actor over age 35 from the line-up. Then they tried to mandate T&A into Supernatural as well, rather than allowing the creators to just do their jobs and continue to run their shows successfully and with quality.<br><br>CW =IS= a trainwreck, but there are a couple of things to consider in these numbers: the effect of the strike and the fact that CW is not in all markets, whereas the other networks are. The reality fare is understandable since it doesn't cost much to produce. But Gossip Girl, How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls, and a 90210 revival... is it me or is there a (bad)pattern here? The people in charge of CW forgot to read up on basic Business 101. WB had hits (at least in terms of this netlet) with Buffy and Angel. When they combined with UPN to form CW, they gifted a couple of more hits: Smallville and Supernatural. But chasing after that so-called coveted demographic turned Smallville into a former shell of itself by systematically removing any actor over age 35 from the line-up. Then they tried to mandate T&A into Supernatural as well, rather than allowing the creators to just do their jobs and continue to run their shows successfully and with quality.

CW =IS= a trainwreck, but there are a couple of things to consider in these numbers: the effect of the strike and the fact that CW is not in all markets, whereas the other networks are. The reality fare is understandable since it doesn't cost much to produce. But Gossip Girl, How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls, and a 90210 revival… is it me or is there a (bad)pattern here?

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-9693 Bill Gorman Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:50:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9693 Jim, Fox definitely gets an advantage not having to program the 10pm hour. However, I did a back of the envelope guess, unfortunately in the comments of a post so I can't search for it, and it seemed that the advantage of not programming that hour wasn't huge, more like 10%. Unless you think that Fox programmers are so bad they can barely program the 15 hours they do now and whatever they'd add would get 0 viewers ;) Jim, Fox definitely gets an advantage not having to program the 10pm hour. However, I did a back of the envelope guess, unfortunately in the comments of a post so I can’t search for it, and it seemed that the advantage of not programming that hour wasn’t huge, more like 10%.

Unless you think that Fox programmers are so bad they can barely program the 15 hours they do now and whatever they’d add would get 0 viewers ;)

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-17943 Bill Gorman Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:50:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17943 Jim, Fox definitely gets an advantage not having to program the 10pm hour. However, I did a back of the envelope guess, unfortunately in the comments of a post so I can't search for it, and it seemed that the advantage of not programming that hour wasn't huge, more like 10%.<br><br>Unless you think that Fox programmers are so bad they can barely program the 15 hours they do now and whatever they'd add would get 0 viewers ;) Jim, Fox definitely gets an advantage not having to program the 10pm hour. However, I did a back of the envelope guess, unfortunately in the comments of a post so I can't search for it, and it seemed that the advantage of not programming that hour wasn't huge, more like 10%.

Unless you think that Fox programmers are so bad they can barely program the 15 hours they do now and whatever they'd add would get 0 viewers ;)

]]> By: Jim http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-9689 Jim Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:36:11 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9689 I still say FOX should have to average in a zero for the 10:00 hour. Not really fair they get to just program two hours a night and not have to average in the third hour of the night. They have few hits other than American Idol. As for CBS, they will never catch FOX in the 18-49 demo as long as they still have shows like "Cold Case". I still say FOX should have to average in a zero for the 10:00 hour. Not really fair they get to just program two hours a night and not have to average in the third hour of the night. They have few hits other than American Idol. As for CBS, they will never catch FOX in the 18-49 demo as long as they still have shows like “Cold Case”.

]]> By: Jim http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-3/#comment-17942 Jim Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:36:11 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17942 I still say FOX should have to average in a zero for the 10:00 hour. Not really fair they get to just program two hours a night and not have to average in the third hour of the night. They have few hits other than American Idol. As for CBS, they will never catch FOX in the 18-49 demo as long as they still have shows like "Cold Case". I still say FOX should have to average in a zero for the 10:00 hour. Not really fair they get to just program two hours a night and not have to average in the third hour of the night. They have few hits other than American Idol. As for CBS, they will never catch FOX in the 18-49 demo as long as they still have shows like “Cold Case”.

]]> By: Guess Who http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9617 Guess Who Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:46:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9617 CW will NEVER pick up Jericho - they only produce low budget junk shows like Beauty and the Geek and Pussycat Dolls and sitcoms. Advertisers simply wont foot the $3 million per episode cost of Jericho. What people dont realize is that its really the advertisers who care about ratings - they use them to decide how much to pay for a show. Jericho bombed on SCI-FI when they tried to rerun Season 1 - they axed it after only 15 of the 22 episodes. If Jericho couldnt make it on SCI-FI, its over. CW will NEVER pick up Jericho – they only produce low budget junk shows like Beauty and the Geek and Pussycat Dolls and sitcoms. Advertisers simply wont foot the $3 million per episode cost of Jericho. What people dont realize is that its really the advertisers who care about ratings – they use them to decide how much to pay for a show. Jericho bombed on SCI-FI when they tried to rerun Season 1 – they axed it after only 15 of the 22 episodes. If Jericho couldnt make it on SCI-FI, its over.

]]> By: Guess Who http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17941 Guess Who Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:46:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17941 CW will NEVER pick up Jericho - they only produce low budget junk shows like Beauty and the Geek and Pussycat Dolls and sitcoms. Advertisers simply wont foot the $3 million per episode cost of Jericho. What people dont realize is that its really the advertisers who care about ratings - they use them to decide how much to pay for a show. Jericho bombed on SCI-FI when they tried to rerun Season 1 - they axed it after only 15 of the 22 episodes. If Jericho couldnt make it on SCI-FI, its over. CW will NEVER pick up Jericho – they only produce low budget junk shows like Beauty and the Geek and Pussycat Dolls and sitcoms. Advertisers simply wont foot the $3 million per episode cost of Jericho. What people dont realize is that its really the advertisers who care about ratings – they use them to decide how much to pay for a show. Jericho bombed on SCI-FI when they tried to rerun Season 1 – they axed it after only 15 of the 22 episodes. If Jericho couldnt make it on SCI-FI, its over.

]]> By: Jake G http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9590 Jake G Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:45:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9590 If CW woulda picked up Jericho it would be the number one show on CW! If CW woulda picked up Jericho it would be the number one show on CW!

]]> By: Jake G http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17940 Jake G Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:45:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17940 If CW woulda picked up Jericho it would be the number one show on CW! If CW woulda picked up Jericho it would be the number one show on CW!

]]> By: Amina http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9563 Amina Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:17:11 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9563 I agree, the CW is probably the most horrible network on television today. And like every one else that just posted, the only reason i keep watching is because of Supernatural. A great show like that does not deserve that network, they keep pouring all their advertising into stupid teen drama like one tree hill and gossip girls. in case they haven't noticed television viewers have gotten more mature, even teenagers. I just wish Supernatural would move to a network that deserves them and completely obliterate the CW for good. I agree, the CW is probably the most horrible network on television today. And like every one else that just posted, the only reason i keep watching is because of Supernatural. A great show like that does not deserve that network, they keep pouring all their advertising into stupid teen drama like one tree hill and gossip girls. in case they haven’t noticed television viewers have gotten more mature, even teenagers. I just wish Supernatural would move to a network that deserves them and completely obliterate the CW for good.

]]> By: Amina http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17939 Amina Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:17:11 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17939 I agree, the CW is probably the most horrible network on television today. And like every one else that just posted, the only reason i keep watching is because of Supernatural. A great show like that does not deserve that network, they keep pouring all their advertising into stupid teen drama like one tree hill and gossip girls. in case they haven't noticed television viewers have gotten more mature, even teenagers. I just wish Supernatural would move to a network that deserves them and completely obliterate the CW for good. I agree, the CW is probably the most horrible network on television today. And like every one else that just posted, the only reason i keep watching is because of Supernatural. A great show like that does not deserve that network, they keep pouring all their advertising into stupid teen drama like one tree hill and gossip girls. in case they haven't noticed television viewers have gotten more mature, even teenagers. I just wish Supernatural would move to a network that deserves them and completely obliterate the CW for good.

]]> By: Donna http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9549 Donna Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:41:02 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9549 I agree that loyalty to Supernatural (which I am) is not the same as loyalty to the CW (which I am NOT). The CW is a train wreck and they just won't learn, or don't care, so they will keep derailing. How I long for The WB! I agree that loyalty to Supernatural (which I am) is not the same as loyalty to the CW (which I am NOT). The CW is a train wreck and they just won’t learn, or don’t care, so they will keep derailing. How I long for The WB!

]]> By: Donna http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17938 Donna Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:41:02 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17938 I agree that loyalty to Supernatural (which I am) is not the same as loyalty to the CW (which I am NOT). The CW is a train wreck and they just won't learn, or don't care, so they will keep derailing. How I long for The WB! I agree that loyalty to Supernatural (which I am) is not the same as loyalty to the CW (which I am NOT). The CW is a train wreck and they just won't learn, or don't care, so they will keep derailing. How I long for The WB!

]]> By: SamaholicChick http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9543 SamaholicChick Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:11:37 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9543 i agree with others saying that the CW is a trainwreck it has way too many reality shows than the average network, as far as i know and i also agree that Supernatural is one of the greatest shows in tv history, and we are very supportive of our show cuz of its humor, drama, and horror, all of which are an awesome combo i agree with others saying that the CW is a trainwreck it has way too many reality shows than the average network, as far as i know

and i also agree that Supernatural is one of the greatest shows in tv history, and we are very supportive of our show cuz of its humor, drama, and horror, all of which are an awesome combo

]]> By: SamaholicChick http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17937 SamaholicChick Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:11:37 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17937 i agree with others saying that the CW is a trainwreck it has way too many reality shows than the average network, as far as i know<br><br>and i also agree that Supernatural is one of the greatest shows in tv history, and we are very supportive of our show cuz of its humor, drama, and horror, all of which are an awesome combo i agree with others saying that the CW is a trainwreck it has way too many reality shows than the average network, as far as i know

and i also agree that Supernatural is one of the greatest shows in tv history, and we are very supportive of our show cuz of its humor, drama, and horror, all of which are an awesome combo

]]> By: Cindy http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9541 Cindy Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:02:41 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9541 I agree, the CW is most definately a train wreck! The ONLY good show that network has is Supernatural, and its their only show I watch. Many of hte folk here are confusing loyalty to the CW with loyalty to SN. The CW made sure to destroy any loyalty fans felt towards the CW when they yanked SN from the air and replaced it with Reaper, while refusing to comment on the shows future return. At the point many viewers, myself included, began boycotting all CW shows except for Supernatural. They sht theirselves in the foot by ignoring a strong and loyal fanbase, tinkering with the show and jerking it around. I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just hope Supernatural can be sold to the Sci Fi channel, or pretty much ANY other network. I agree, the CW is most definately a train wreck! The ONLY good show that network has is Supernatural, and its their only show I watch. Many of hte folk here are confusing loyalty to the CW with loyalty to SN. The CW made sure to destroy any loyalty fans felt towards the CW when they yanked SN from the air and replaced it with Reaper, while refusing to comment on the shows future return. At the point many viewers, myself included, began boycotting all CW shows except for Supernatural.

They sht theirselves in the foot by ignoring a strong and loyal fanbase, tinkering with the show and jerking it around. I don’t feel sorry for them at all. I just hope Supernatural can be sold to the Sci Fi channel, or pretty much ANY other network.

]]> By: Cindy http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17936 Cindy Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:02:41 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17936 I agree, the CW is most definately a train wreck! The ONLY good show that network has is Supernatural, and its their only show I watch. Many of hte folk here are confusing loyalty to the CW with loyalty to SN. The CW made sure to destroy any loyalty fans felt towards the CW when they yanked SN from the air and replaced it with Reaper, while refusing to comment on the shows future return. At the point many viewers, myself included, began boycotting all CW shows except for Supernatural.<br><br>They sht theirselves in the foot by ignoring a strong and loyal fanbase, tinkering with the show and jerking it around. I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just hope Supernatural can be sold to the Sci Fi channel, or pretty much ANY other network. I agree, the CW is most definately a train wreck! The ONLY good show that network has is Supernatural, and its their only show I watch. Many of hte folk here are confusing loyalty to the CW with loyalty to SN. The CW made sure to destroy any loyalty fans felt towards the CW when they yanked SN from the air and replaced it with Reaper, while refusing to comment on the shows future return. At the point many viewers, myself included, began boycotting all CW shows except for Supernatural.

They sht theirselves in the foot by ignoring a strong and loyal fanbase, tinkering with the show and jerking it around. I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just hope Supernatural can be sold to the Sci Fi channel, or pretty much ANY other network.

]]> By: Mel http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9539 Mel Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:52:28 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9539 Fox certainly played the writer's strike for all it was worth. But it all pretty much rides on Idol's coattails. The CW -- seems like their relentleess quest for the 18-24 demo and the changes that they made to established shows like Smallville and Supernatural to attract that demo are having the opposite effect on ratings. Fox certainly played the writer’s strike for all it was worth. But it all pretty much rides on Idol’s coattails.
The CW — seems like their relentleess quest for the 18-24 demo and the changes that they made to established shows like Smallville and Supernatural to attract that demo are having the opposite effect on ratings.

]]> By: Mel http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17935 Mel Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:52:28 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17935 Fox certainly played the writer's strike for all it was worth. But it all pretty much rides on Idol's coattails. <br>The CW -- seems like their relentleess quest for the 18-24 demo and the changes that they made to established shows like Smallville and Supernatural to attract that demo are having the opposite effect on ratings. Fox certainly played the writer's strike for all it was worth. But it all pretty much rides on Idol's coattails.
The CW — seems like their relentleess quest for the 18-24 demo and the changes that they made to established shows like Smallville and Supernatural to attract that demo are having the opposite effect on ratings.

]]> By: Ashley http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9538 Ashley Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:30:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9538 im a loyal Supernatural fan its the reality shows that are making the Cw so bad that and the teen dramas the keep on comming. Sam and Dean and awesome. im a loyal Supernatural fan its the reality shows that are making the Cw so bad that and the teen dramas the keep on comming. Sam and Dean and awesome.

]]> By: Ashley http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17934 Ashley Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:30:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17934 im a loyal Supernatural fan its the reality shows that are making the Cw so bad that and the teen dramas the keep on comming. Sam and Dean and awesome. im a loyal Supernatural fan its the reality shows that are making the Cw so bad that and the teen dramas the keep on comming. Sam and Dean and awesome.

]]> By: yuyu http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9537 yuyu Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9537 a trainwreck of a season? excuse me? just because i do not enjoy people doing it on screen or watch people sing does not mean that its a trainwreck of a season. the show has the most loyal fans ever a trainwreck of a season?

excuse me?

just because i do not enjoy people doing it on screen or watch people sing does not mean that its a trainwreck of a season.
the show has the most loyal fans ever

]]> By: yuyu http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17933 yuyu Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:29:03 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17933 a trainwreck of a season? <br><br><br>excuse me? <br><br>just because i do not enjoy people doing it on screen or watch people sing does not mean that its a trainwreck of a season. <br>the show has the most loyal fans ever a trainwreck of a season?

excuse me?

just because i do not enjoy people doing it on screen or watch people sing does not mean that its a trainwreck of a season.
the show has the most loyal fans ever

]]> By: Angie http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-9534 Angie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:12:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9534 I am a huge Supernatural fan, but I have no idea why people are getting Supernaturally defensive. Bill didn't say Supernatural was a train wreck, he said the network was (and it's more than true). Although, truth be told, I think season 3 of Supernatural has been a train wreck due to network interference. But that's another post for another time . . . The CW is a network just waiting to be shut down. Their programming is so stupid, sleazy and immature that not even their golden target audience of 18-34 year olds want to watch it - and yet they continue to beat the dead horse with trash like Girlicious and Farmer Wants a Wife (who came up with that ridiculous name?). My guess is it will be shut down in the next year. CBS is going into the red at a fast rate, adn the WB is working on their own programming venture separate from the CW. Bottom line: Bill, you're right on! I am a huge Supernatural fan, but I have no idea why people are getting Supernaturally defensive. Bill didn’t say Supernatural was a train wreck, he said the network was (and it’s more than true). Although, truth be told, I think season 3 of Supernatural has been a train wreck due to network interference. But that’s another post for another time . . .

The CW is a network just waiting to be shut down. Their programming is so stupid, sleazy and immature that not even their golden target audience of 18-34 year olds want to watch it – and yet they continue to beat the dead horse with trash like Girlicious and Farmer Wants a Wife (who came up with that ridiculous name?). My guess is it will be shut down in the next year. CBS is going into the red at a fast rate, adn the WB is working on their own programming venture separate from the CW.

Bottom line: Bill, you’re right on!

]]> By: Angie http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-2/#comment-17932 Angie Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:12:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17932 I am a huge Supernatural fan, but I have no idea why people are getting Supernaturally defensive. Bill didn't say Supernatural was a train wreck, he said the network was (and it's more than true). Although, truth be told, I think season 3 of Supernatural has been a train wreck due to network interference. But that's another post for another time . . .<br><br>The CW is a network just waiting to be shut down. Their programming is so stupid, sleazy and immature that not even their golden target audience of 18-34 year olds want to watch it - and yet they continue to beat the dead horse with trash like Girlicious and Farmer Wants a Wife (who came up with that ridiculous name?). My guess is it will be shut down in the next year. CBS is going into the red at a fast rate, adn the WB is working on their own programming venture separate from the CW. <br><br>Bottom line: Bill, you're right on! I am a huge Supernatural fan, but I have no idea why people are getting Supernaturally defensive. Bill didn't say Supernatural was a train wreck, he said the network was (and it's more than true). Although, truth be told, I think season 3 of Supernatural has been a train wreck due to network interference. But that's another post for another time . . .

The CW is a network just waiting to be shut down. Their programming is so stupid, sleazy and immature that not even their golden target audience of 18-34 year olds want to watch it – and yet they continue to beat the dead horse with trash like Girlicious and Farmer Wants a Wife (who came up with that ridiculous name?). My guess is it will be shut down in the next year. CBS is going into the red at a fast rate, adn the WB is working on their own programming venture separate from the CW.

Bottom line: Bill, you're right on!

]]> By: Z http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9526 Z Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:16:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9526 I sometimes do wish that Supernatural could be on some other network, becasue CW as a network for Supernatural, is totally useless. This show deserves so much better, it is the one of the best show on television History.. I sometimes do wish that Supernatural could be on some other network, becasue CW as a network for Supernatural, is totally useless.
This show deserves so much better, it is the one of the best show on television History..

]]> By: Z http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17931 Z Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:16:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17931 I sometimes do wish that Supernatural could be on some other network, becasue CW as a network for Supernatural, is totally useless.<br>This show deserves so much better, it is the one of the best show on television History.. I sometimes do wish that Supernatural could be on some other network, becasue CW as a network for Supernatural, is totally useless.
This show deserves so much better, it is the one of the best show on television History..

]]> By: 1tash1 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9523 1tash1 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:30 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9523 well, the SN fanz really r fiercely loyal!!! since this is fr the entire CW's (including so much of the crap), line up, the viewers of course are going down, but the SN fanz, they r LOYAL--the one's who really truely care, and i don't mean the casual viewers , who just tune in fr the eye candy!!! well, the SN fanz really r fiercely loyal!!! since this is fr the entire CW’s (including so much of the crap), line up, the viewers of course are going down, but the SN fanz, they r LOYAL–the one’s who really truely care, and i don’t mean the casual viewers , who just tune in fr the eye candy!!!

]]> By: 1tash1 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17930 1tash1 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:30 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17930 well, the SN fanz really r fiercely loyal!!! since this is fr the entire CW's (including so much of the crap), line up, the viewers of course are going down, but the SN fanz, they r LOYAL--the one's who really truely care, and i don't mean the casual viewers , who just tune in fr the eye candy!!! well, the SN fanz really r fiercely loyal!!! since this is fr the entire CW's (including so much of the crap), line up, the viewers of course are going down, but the SN fanz, they r LOYAL–the one's who really truely care, and i don't mean the casual viewers , who just tune in fr the eye candy!!!

]]> By: Meg http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9521 Meg Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:47:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9521 As stated by others, Supernatural fans will never argue with you on the subject of the CW being a trainwreck, but Supernatural is the exception on the CW. Supernatural is probably the best show on television today, but it lacks the support of it's own network even though it is among their top rated. As stated by others, Supernatural fans will never argue with you on the subject of the CW being a trainwreck, but Supernatural is the exception on the CW. Supernatural is probably the best show on television today, but it lacks the support of it’s own network even though it is among their top rated.

]]> By: Meg http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17929 Meg Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:47:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17929 As stated by others, Supernatural fans will never argue with you on the subject of the CW being a trainwreck, but Supernatural is the exception on the CW. Supernatural is probably the best show on television today, but it lacks the support of it's own network even though it is among their top rated. As stated by others, Supernatural fans will never argue with you on the subject of the CW being a trainwreck, but Supernatural is the exception on the CW. Supernatural is probably the best show on television today, but it lacks the support of it's own network even though it is among their top rated.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9520 Robert Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:45:42 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9520 I echo the sentiments experessed here. I love the adventures of Sam & Dean, but the CW is a trainwreck. I echo the sentiments experessed here. I love the adventures of Sam & Dean, but the CW is a trainwreck.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17928 Robert Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:45:42 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17928 I echo the sentiments experessed here. I love the adventures of Sam & Dean, but the CW is a trainwreck. I echo the sentiments experessed here. I love the adventures of Sam & Dean, but the CW is a trainwreck.

]]> By: C http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9518 C Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:33:54 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9518 I'm a SN fan too but there's no denying that the CW IS a trainwreck. I’m a SN fan too but there’s no denying that the CW IS a trainwreck.

]]> By: C http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17927 C Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:33:54 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17927 I'm a SN fan too but there's no denying that the CW IS a trainwreck. I'm a SN fan too but there's no denying that the CW IS a trainwreck.

]]> By: tina http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9514 tina Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:09:40 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9514 Wont argue The CW IS a train wreck but Supernatural is the show that stops it going Kaboom completley..for me anyway Wont argue The CW IS a train wreck but Supernatural is the show that stops it going Kaboom completley..for me anyway

]]> By: tina http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17926 tina Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:09:40 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17926 Wont argue The CW IS a train wreck but Supernatural is the show that stops it going Kaboom completley..for me anyway Wont argue The CW IS a train wreck but Supernatural is the show that stops it going Kaboom completley..for me anyway

]]> By: Jasmine C http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9507 Jasmine C Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:48:38 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9507 The CW may have had train wreck of a season but Supernatrual definitely was the exception. Like LindsayW said the fans of Supernatural are very loyal and supporters of the show. The CW may have had train wreck of a season but Supernatrual definitely was the exception.

Like LindsayW said the fans of Supernatural are very loyal and supporters of the show.

]]> By: Jasmine C http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17925 Jasmine C Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:48:38 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17925 The CW may have had train wreck of a season but Supernatrual definitely was the exception. <br><br>Like LindsayW said the fans of Supernatural are very loyal and supporters of the show. The CW may have had train wreck of a season but Supernatrual definitely was the exception.

Like LindsayW said the fans of Supernatural are very loyal and supporters of the show.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9506 Bill Gorman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9506 LindsayW, while we don't have viewer income or gender information, be sure that the networks and their advertisers do. They do look at both quality and quantity. That's why some shows [like 30 Rock, which supposedly has very good income demographics] are renewed when their overall viewer numbers are terrible. My "train wreck" remark about the CW season points more to the fact that they're doing more <a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/10/season-to-season-tv-ratings-through-march-30-2/3275" rel="nofollow">than 20% worse on an average viewer basis this season vs. last season</a>. If 20% of viewers can leave you in a single season, that's not "fiercely loyal". LindsayW, while we don’t have viewer income or gender information, be sure that the networks and their advertisers do.
They do look at both quality and quantity. That’s why some shows [like 30 Rock, which supposedly has very good income demographics] are renewed when their overall viewer numbers are terrible.
My “train wreck” remark about the CW season points more to the fact that they’re doing more than 20% worse on an average viewer basis this season vs. last season. If 20% of viewers can leave you in a single season, that’s not “fiercely loyal”.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17924 Bill Gorman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:46:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17924 LindsayW, while we don't have viewer income or gender information, be sure that the networks and their advertisers do. <br>They do look at both quality and quantity. That's why some shows [like 30 Rock, which supposedly has very good income demographics] are renewed when their overall viewer numbers are terrible.<br>My "train wreck" remark about the CW season points more to the fact that they're doing more <a href="http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/10/season-to-season-tv-ratings-through-march-30-2/3275" rel="nofollow">than 20% worse on an average viewer basis this season vs. last season</a>. If 20% of viewers can leave you in a single season, that's not "fiercely loyal". LindsayW, while we don't have viewer income or gender information, be sure that the networks and their advertisers do.
They do look at both quality and quantity. That's why some shows [like 30 Rock, which supposedly has very good income demographics] are renewed when their overall viewer numbers are terrible.
My “train wreck” remark about the CW season points more to the fact that they're doing more than 20% worse on an average viewer basis this season vs. last season. If 20% of viewers can leave you in a single season, that's not “fiercely loyal”.

]]> By: LindsayW http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9500 LindsayW Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:34:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9500 I await the day that TV advertisers see the value in the quality of viewers and not just quantity. Supernatural has a ardent fan base that is not only loyal to the television program, but also to its sponsors. Call the CW a train wreck if you want, but I'd challenge you to find as fiercely loyal fans for any other program on television today. I await the day that TV advertisers see the value in the quality of viewers and not just quantity.

Supernatural has a ardent fan base that is not only loyal to the television program, but also to its sponsors.

Call the CW a train wreck if you want, but I’d challenge you to find as fiercely loyal fans for any other program on television today.

]]> By: LindsayW http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17923 LindsayW Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:34:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17923 I await the day that TV advertisers see the value in the quality of viewers and not just quantity. <br><br>Supernatural has a ardent fan base that is not only loyal to the television program, but also to its sponsors. <br><br>Call the CW a train wreck if you want, but I'd challenge you to find as fiercely loyal fans for any other program on television today. I await the day that TV advertisers see the value in the quality of viewers and not just quantity.

Supernatural has a ardent fan base that is not only loyal to the television program, but also to its sponsors.

Call the CW a train wreck if you want, but I'd challenge you to find as fiercely loyal fans for any other program on television today.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-9481 Robert Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:34 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-9481 As one of my favorite staples on ESPN's Around the Horn -- Denver Post columnist Woody Paige --- always says: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE. "Idol Gives Back" may not be the jewel regular Idol is, but had you seen three Idols instead of the normal two, you might have predicted differently. As one of my favorite staples on ESPN’s Around the Horn — Denver Post columnist Woody Paige — always says: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE.

“Idol Gives Back” may not be the jewel regular Idol is, but had you seen three Idols instead of the normal two, you might have predicted differently.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338/comment-page-1/#comment-17922 Robert Seidman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:20:34 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/15/weekly-network-ratings-april-7-13-fox-edges-cbs/3338#comment-17922 As one of my favorite staples on ESPN's Around the Horn -- Denver Post columnist Woody Paige --- always says: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE.<br><br>"Idol Gives Back" may not be the jewel regular Idol is, but had you seen three Idols instead of the normal two, you might have predicted differently. As one of my favorite staples on ESPN's Around the Horn — Denver Post columnist Woody Paige — always says: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE.

“Idol Gives Back” may not be the jewel regular Idol is, but had you seen three Idols instead of the normal two, you might have predicted differently.

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