An SCC insider tells me that if the show’s numbers don’t start to climb, Fox is unlikely to order any additional episodes beyond the 13 currently in the pipeline. At Saturday’s EW pre-Emmy bash, Thomas Dekker remained hopeful that they could hold off doomsday at least until the end of football season. “We¹re up against Monday Night Football,” he sighed, “which is tricky because we have a lot of football fans.”

What kind of ratings improvement do you think SCC needs to show every week to satisfy FOX it’s starting to climb? Curious why they didn’t give a range of numbers the show needs to pull in to be viable. Wonder if this means that Warner Brothers is trying to keep the thing going through the movie at least?

Also Heroes is suffering the way the NHL did. They had a pretty large audience, but it was a niche audience mostly who already had reasons to be ticked at the show. The strike hit and the millions of fans who cooled on Heroes got their reason to step away and broke free.

HEROES? Only thing saving that one is its 18-49 and 18-34 ratings which are still very high. The series itself went off a cliff starting with the Season 1 finale. It just hasnt been the same since. Mohinder turning into the fly after stealing the plot device of injections to give regular people superpowers from THE 4400 (Season 4) is just too unoriginal. Will everyone get powers of will 50% die like they did in THE 4400? Some day that plot device is what finished off THE 4400 for good – will it be the case with HEROES too? Probably not as long as the key demos hold up. And Nathan appears to be channeling Jordan Collier from the 4400 – I will throw up my hands if Nathan starts a HEROES CENTER and starts healing people. The last thing we need is for HEROES to be replace with another brain dead talent, singing or game show.

in the longer term, I believe the local model is completely hosed anyway, but we’re not there yet.

Have patience with your technical difficulties. Good luck.

I like the idea of Fox expanding into the 10 pm hour. Why they haven’t done that yet is a mystery to me since a number of its shows are good candidates for that time slot.

Joe, I share your pessimism about investing time in shows that are heading in the wrong direction. That’s why I’m avoiding getting into any of the new shows because I anticipate that a number of them are going to be canceled. Once it seems like a show is going to stay on the air, I’ll probably join it…or make fun of it, whichever seems more appropriate. But, personally, I’m not jumping off the TSCC ship until it sinks, and I really hope that most people don’t. Granted, we don’t impact the ratings, but if Nielsen folks have the same mentality…

Holly, it seems that there is an underlying, unstated assumption, especially implied in the football as competition argument that there are more people watching cable shows than ever before and that is affecting the ratings for those shows. I think I’ve used that excuse also for TSCC simply because when it aired in January, it was not really up against Mon night football because the season was winding down. I think PB’s problem, which has been echoed by several posters, is that the show has decreased in quality. Now, I’ve never been interested in PB, and I honestly think that it appeals to a different audience than TSCC does, and PB’s audience is just getting tired of the show.

I hope this year that the networks actually let the shows run all of their episodes…even if they send them into the ghost town of Fri and Sat evenings. There is still one episode of K-ville out there that I am miffed about not being able to see.

Worst week under performing mother in the better time slot does not bode well for the new show. CBS rightfully expects big numbers from its 9:30 laffers, so I don’t expect this one to have legs.

BBT hasn’t picked up any viewers over the summer which is too bad because I really like that show.

I don’t care what CW says; gossip girl with 2.5 is still not competing with the big boys.

Maybe highly discussed by you on this board. TSCC never got a buzz factor.

You have it all wrong, first HEROES is at Cult status and the DVD numbers does big, it gets big ratings from NBC.COM and Hulu.com and it replays on G4TV, which is what Spike wishes it were. Heroes and Gossip Girls and One Tree is the night for young boys and girls to watch tv, the teens, this is there shows, they can care less about DWTS, the like Sara Conner and some like PRISON BREAK, but they can catch that on FOX.COM, that is where all the people are going, if the stations release numbers for Tivo, DVR, and their website, I bet more people saw HEROES than any other show on TV

Based on those numbers K-Ville had dropped to a 1.9 in the demo by the third episode and never really rebounded too far. Curious to see what TSCC does next episode. It’s Cameron’s history/flashback episode. Should be highly discussed and watched. If anything can continue the show’s upward climb in ratings, that episode should.

I fear your renew/cancel index this year, largely because I’m pretty convinced it’s going to conclude that TSCC is a goner.

What I don’t understand about TSCC is why Fox put it on Monday night. TSCC and PB are both action-oriented series that appear to appeal to male viewers aged 18-49, and to a portion of the female demographic as well. But the competition for male viewers and female viewers in that demographic is incredibly rough on Monday night — see, e.g., Monday Night Football, Chuck, Heroes, Dancing With The Stars and Gossip Girl.

So what went wrong? Did Fox just badly overestimated the draw of TSCC? Did they underestimate the draw of Monday Night Football? I know some have claimed Fox intentionally killed the series, but I can’t buy that: Fox invested more money in TSCC for Season 2. Why invest more money in a “filler” show?

TVaholic kept track of the ratings of all the shows last year. You can see K-Ville’s at http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/979101551/m/59110157/p/1

Btw, Bill/Robert, anyone have a chart of K-Ville numbers and what it was competing against, and when Fox declared it dead? This seems to be the go-to show all of a sudden for comparing against TSCC.

Also Frank, on this week last year K-Ville had better numbers than TSCC.

And House skewed the fall 18-49 average last fall too, so we’ve got you covered!

American Idol and House will skew the average for FOX. That network isn’t even happy with the numbers for Bones.

No but what I was looking at was Bill’s renew/cancel index. If a show is at or beating the 18-49 average of the network, then it’s a sign that all is not lost. Yet, anyway.

Yes, but the ratio is almost 2:1 Heroes in that category.