TSCC, then 24 — that would be sweet!

This is exactly right. The thing that is really killing TSCC is the timeslot. I think simply switching it with Prison Break would really benefit it a lot. But of course switching it to another day could prove to be even better. Imagine if Fox switched it with Fringe? I’m sure TSSC would get a LOT of viewers following House. As for Fringe on Monday at 8? Competing against the shows that Terminator is right now, I think Fringe’s ratings would definitely drop.

Fox needs to treat the show right. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be too in to it and of course viewership will be down because of that. If a network doesn’t have faith in its show, how will the viewers? It really saddens me that this show could be getting canned because of this. In the opinion of myself, and many others, it is truly a fantastic and creative show and deserves to shine. But being in the current unfitting timeslot it’s in, that can’t really be expected.

I doubt that Fox is going to move the show…even though it really couldn’t do any worse on a different night…or could it?? It would make sense to do that kind of thing, but let’s not give a major network credit for doing things that make sense. I still think the night is much too competitive, but, so do a lot of other people, too

They probably will let it run out its 13 episodes…if they are all in the can.

As far as TSCC hurting PB’s ratings, PB doesn’t need any help. It’s an aging show; ratings drop over time. Not sure why Fox NEEDS PB. It NEEDS AI; that is its biggest draw. That is probably the show to put on Monday nights. Could you imagine DWTS and AI going head to head??? Not going to happen, I know.

Possibly subconsciously, it also doesn’t help that the show doesn’t even try to explain itself. If they succeed in stopping the terminators, then there are no terminators to stop, thus John Connor will never be born thus no one will be around to stop the terminators. But if the terminators kill John, then there will be no one to come back and father John, so there will be no one to stop. Argh!!!!!!

Because no average American is going to choose a scripted TV show – no matter how good it is – over a LIVE Football game. I don’t think you can DVR MNF.

That’s not true. Net execs *do* still expect 10 mill + viewers. In fact, just 10 mill is considered average. Just look at “Bones”.

http://www.entertainmenttoday.net/content/view/705/29/

Terminator is Dominating
Stars of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Listen to Fans for Season Two on Fox
Season two of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, has made the folks at Fox TV very happy, dominating the adults 18-49 key demos.”

Robert, TSCC might not get a huge increase with a new night, but I think it would receive enough of a bump in the demo to raise some eyebrows. TSCC really doesn’t even need new viewers, just the old ones back. That said, who knows if that can save it, but FOX needs to be seen trying. In fact I think most fans would be happy with just letting the show reach some kind of conclusion.

Kevin Reilly is off to a fantastic start at the network.

Moving the show may help, but it seems unlikely it would help enough to get the back nine. Serial shows have difficulty adding new users mid-stream. I wouldn’t expect a significant enough bump by moving it to Wednesdays.

No one was turned off from NA. Either you were into this type of fantasy show or you weren’t. Last spring, NA was in TSCC’s current timeslot, pulling in better numbers and always at the top of the DVR count. Plus, the final was the highest rated stream on FOX.com for a month. NA always had buzz that TSCC strangely lacked and it grew in buzz over the summer. It could have done what the X-Files did after season 1, become a steady “Bones”-like show for FOX. I think, like TSCC, it’s too genre-oriented to be a true hit.

Oh well. I don’t want to hijack the thread.

DVRs dont mean nearly as much as live viewings since there are fewer ads and most people fast forward thru ads or zap them entirely. If TSCC was a bubble show (like it was last season), DVR viewing might make a difference, but with Season 2′s viewer levels falling off a cliff – its lights out for TSCC. TSCC cant be cheap to make either. Thats the same formula (declining viewers, high cost) that doomed CBS’s Jericho when it was on the bubble and brought back for a 2nd shot.

And when the network says things like ““Audiences just aren’t responding to the show,” a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. “Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet.”, you know its already been cancelled – just not officially.

Bob, pairing the premiere with a play-off game was the extent of FOX’s “help”. After that they stuck it behind Prison Break and game shows. TSCC gained viewers on Prison Break, and it’s fans do not watch reality shows. The only good thing was the competition was light during the strike, and that helped the show to cultivate it’s audience on it’s own. But even then the show had no creative help, as all the staff was on strike, FOX just had to air the episodes as they were. And even under that cloud the show still found it’s audience eventually.

Now FOX moved it earlier in the night, when people are less interested in serious shows, and has it competing against top rated shows on every network. It’s going to take a hit. You see FOX putting House or Fringe in that spot? I don’t think so, they won’t risk the slaughter. But yet they’re going to blame TSCC for Prison Break’s own problems? That’s pretty underhanded. Less people watch Prison Break these days because it’s just winding down. The show has run out of gas, but hey if they can give it 22 episodes to end it then more power to them. But the fact remains that all of FOX’s shows are down in the ratings. Yet nobody talks about how House is down 3 million viewers, or that Fringe is back to where it started in the ratings. I think the only show FOX has that’s doing okay is Bones, and I even read somewhere that FOX isn’t happy with the 18-49 demo they have either.

And people don’t necessarily choose MNF over other shows, they just choose to watch it live. Same with DWTS.

Robert, I agree that with bad numbers like this obviously FOX has to do something, cancel or move it, but I think the thing that’s getting a lot of fans upset is the idea that to “save Prison Break” they may just pull the show right now instead of trying to save both shows or at least let the 13 episodes run out to an ending.

Do any of you even know someone with a Nielsen box? O.o

I think FOX should move it to Wednesday nights. Knight Rider would be the biggest (chuckle) competition..

Of course Fox knows that Monday Night Football is on. No matter what they put on Monday night at 8pm, now through December is going to go against MNF football. This is not to say they shouldn’t try to move things around so that ‘Til Death feels some of the Monday Night pain, but it’s not as simple as that as they are considering lead-in and lead-out, too.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

If it’s so terrific then why people chose MNF?

All that said, I’m beginning to wonder exactly where SyFyportal got their info. FOX would have some nerve to blame all of this on the show, and their reason for doing something to try to save another show. It sounds more like a Prison Break insider trying to stir the pot and make themselves look good at the expense of another show. As TSCC proved last year though, the show can survive without a good lead-in, but what it does need is a good day and timeslot, not a spot where it’s viewers are being pulled between all their favorite shows. FOX has set it’s Monday night line-up up for failure, and if they don’t understand why, then I really have no faith in the network to handle scripted dramas.

Next on the chopping block? Prison Break.

The only FOX show Im watching these days with any enthusiasm is FRINGE. I will probably watch “24″ this winter, but if it goes all lefty – with evil sinister corporations and global warming as is rumored, Im outta there.

I do think, however, that moving Terminator to SCIFI would be difficult for two reasons. First, legal issues: Firefly, for example, could not be moved because Fox held the rights to the show and wouldn’t allow it to be moved. (For the same reason, the Firefly movie had to be called “Serenity”). I don’t know whether Fox has the same sort of rights to TSCC. Second, economics: SCIFI shows tend to average around a 1.2-1.4 in the household ratings. I don’t know what their advertising looks like, but my guess is that the actors and producers would have to take a paycut to make the show work on SCIFI’s model.

This show is, I’ll say again, the first victim of the writer’s strike. The first season was incomplete (both in # of episodes and in editing quality, since I think the producers couldn’t produce/edit most of the series due to the writer’s strike) and aired at a turbulent time with no lead-in to speak of… So as Andrea and others have pointed out, it never was able to generate a “Buzz” beyond us Summer Glau fan club members…

It’s obvious that an expensive show like TSCC with such low ratings would get cancelled, but pulling it early seems like a really bad move. They should air the episodes they’ve already completed, it doesn’t make sense not to. It’s not like they have anything to go in its place. (as everyone is saying).

As for accusations that TSCC is bringing down Prison Break, this is just totally unfounded. Fox should dump prison break too.

In any event, I think it would be pretty dramatic if Fox took TSCC off the air before airing all 13 episodes. I mean, presumably they paid for the show whether they air it or not. And what is Fox going to air in its place?

Terminator doesn’t belong on Monday, doesn’t belong with Prison Break and, really, shouldn’t've began airing until mid-season. FOX should be disappointed in itself for expecting that the show would be able to compete with Monday Night Football, Dancing with the Stars and the CBS comedies when Fringe and not Terminator got all the promotion.