Thank you very much

Looks like Friday’s could be a dying breed, going the way of Saturday Nights.

I feel that I should mention that the last show I watched in its timeslot on a saturday night was Doctor Quinn, Medicine woman. I craved that show on a saturday, and for what other reason? The romantic arc between Dr. Quinn and her Beau, of course! I love dramas where the romance is the main storyline, but those don’t exist anymore.

I’m surprised Crusoe skews so old too

P.S. You guys (being Robert and Bill) run a great website

If you go all the way to the top and read my first comment, I did come here to talk about Crusoe and the studly Mr. Winchester. I would have been happy to discuss pirates with nice white capped teeth, and Crusoe’s Swiss Family Robinson style tree house & gagets instead of Moonlight, but you all got obsessed with putting down the Moonlight fans. If someone is putting down Moonlight and Moonlight fans, I am all over it to defend our honor.

I suggest that you ignore our Moonlight posts and keep talking about the articles as if we weren’t here, and you will find that we spend less space defending ourselves.

Now what did you think of Phillip Winchester with his shirt off? Don’t think I caught your opinion on that.

Other than that, I just don’t feel as if Numbers is a Friday night programme, but I have never bothered to stay up on a Friday to watch anything since another CBS 9pm show, and that was The Magnificent Seven. Since when CBS cancelled THAT show I’ve always maintained a ‘good riddance’ attitued to Friday Nights. But I love the main character in Numbers because he was in Serenity.

I don’t find that Numbers demo is so far apart from GW to warrant any great scrutiny, I think it is just the Exlist waying it down. The sponsorhip may give CBS free publicity, but unless parents are willing to allow their kids to stay up and bother their viewing at 10pm on a Friday night, I doubt that the sponsoring is helping it either. But it is a good Friday night show for CBS. Can’t wait for FNL to start up though, isn’t it on a Friday night? Can’t wait to see how that skew’s up the ratings.

Lets see how Crusoe does next week, then we would know if NBC really has a problem on their hands.

The fact is, even if Ex-List is canceled, Moonlight is not coming back. They’ll air crime-drama reruns and/or gameshows until mid-season and debut a new show. The CW is not going to pick it up. Sci-Fi is not going to pick it up. TBS, USA, Lifetime, Spike, AMC, Showtime, HBO, etc. all had the opportunity to buy the show and all realized it wasn’t worth it. Direct TV has no interest in doing a Friday Night Lights-style deal. There is not enough product placement in the world to bring it back, especially since no one is interested in looking for a deal. No one even wanted the reruns. 8 million people did not stop watching CBS in protest. CBS does not miss the handful of people who did. The writers have moved on, the producers have moved on, the actors have moved on. There will not be a movie. If anyone wants a vampire-themed show or movie, they will create something new or use a book, not go dumpster diving in CBS’s back lot for a failed series. Enjoy your recorded episodes, buy the DVDs when they come out, and write fanfic, because that’s all you’re ever going to get. The sooner you accept that, the happier everyone will be.

If you can’t accept it, at least keep it on the Moonlight forums instead of bothering us with your delusions.

The age of the internet may make it seem so, but it’s just not true.

And will like to share with you, if you are not a Eureka fan as I am, when Eureka first got on the screen, at their Comic con show there were just about 2 persons in the audience and the cast joked about how those persons were just there to secure good seats for the next event, not to here about there show. And now about 3 years later, Eureka has a Wide fanbase and their comic con events are always filled up. Just like Star Trek, it eventually found its audience.

Even if you are not a Moonlight fan, compared to Eureka and Star Trek, you should be in awe at how fast and furious limited airings of this show has developed such a swelling fanbase in such short period of time. And the more people who watch it, the more persons fall in love with this programme.

For example, this article was really about Crusoe, not about Moonlight, yet we are all expending lots of energy talking about Moonlight. Since I enjoyed Crusoe and the handsome, studly, bare-chested Mr. Winchester, I would be very happy to discuss the article rather than Moonlight. But somehow the *regulars* find Moonlight more interesting to write about.

The insults against Moonlight fans are mild in comparison to the insults against the Trekkies, who went to their conventions dressed like Vulcans and Klingons to demonstrate their loyalty to the show. Just like our detractors here, many pointed out that there were just a few hundred Star Trek fans that showed up in pointy ears and those goofy high-water pants.

These people who insult us can claim, in retrospect, that Star Trek is different than Moonlight, and that the situation is different. SO WHAT? If it were identical, it wouldn’t be worth saving. If they had released the first Star Trek movie, and nobody went to see it, then it would have just been that one movie and not a series of movies. But people did go to see it in large numbers, because they remembered it well: and who kept it alive in people’s minds?

If you stay up really late doing freelance like I do, you will notice that the the original Star Trek series is being rerun on the weekends in the middle of the night on the CW. If you compare Star Trek to Moonlight, there is no contest: Moonlight is a superior show in every respect. The only reason that Star Trek came back as movies is because of the tenacity of the fans kept the show alive in the minds of TPTB. Star Trek was an OK show, even though it was ground-breaking in many respects, but not particularly stellar in the writing department.

Lets face facts, Moonlight fans were extreme in our disgust with its cancellation and Nina Tassler and other execs are experiencing some bad publicity because of it. So they are trying to put it behind them by burying the dvd release and not even promoting the show. Even when the Scifi cancelled the Dresden files, they advertised the release of the DVD on their website and kept up the forum. When a show gets cancelled you don’t bury it, you try to make as much info available on it as possible in order to promote the DVD.

Personally, I believe that there are unexplained reasons for the cancellation of Moonlight. Ratings not being one of them.

There is nothing wrong with hoping and believing that a Moonlight film would get maid, or be picked up by another network in some way.

“…Tenacity is not a trait that’s necessarily admirable when you have all completely lost a grip on reality…”

Perhaps where you come from, that is not considered an insult, but where I come from, *them’s fightin’ words!* You might want to reread your posts before you click “submit comment.”

If you don’t like the posts that Moonlight fans write, you are free to skip them and read other people’s posts. Last time I looked, this was a free country, and your grade school playground tactics are not going to work to intimidate me.

Fortunately for me, I have downloaded all the Moonlight episodes from Amazon, and today, I watched them again. Once again, I was struck by the superior writing and the tremendous production values. The characters are complex and charismatic, and have wonderful chemistry together, and the stories never fail to move me, even though I have seen them many times.

This is a show that deserves a second chance, deserves to have “mom and dad” shake hands and make up so that Moonlight can have the life it deserves.

Well anyway, Moonlight maintained its audience throughout the season, and had an average of between 7 and half million to 8 and a half million, with the average demo above 2.0.

That doesn’t sound too bad to me for a show that premiered in a death time slot with no advertising and during the writer’s strike above all things. Too bad CBS passed on what could have been a big hit this year, particularly with the popularity rising in vampires. Let’s hope there will be a movie.

Well anyway, back to the topic of Friday night ratings. It honestly doesn’t seem like any of the shows are doing that great. Ghost Whisperer seems to be doing the best.

Crusoe has potential as a show, if they would tighten the writing, and handle the flashbacks better. But it seemed like a good family show, and maybe if they advertise it better the show will pick up on ratings.

From an objective standpoint, Moonlight overall DID do better in the ratings and demos so far than The Ex List has. And, to the people who attack Moonlight fans, and say to let it go, why do they themselves keep bringing Moonlight up even before a Moonlight fan responds? The first comment brought it up. So of course Moonlight fans will respond, when they see people making stuff up.

Here are the actual numbers of Moonlight and The Ex List:

Moonlight Episode 1:
Viewers: 8.67 million, with a 2.5/8 in the demos.

The Ex List Episode 1:
Viewers: 6.85 million with a 2.0/ 6 in the demos

Moonlight Episode 2:
Viewers: 8.25 million (#1), A18-49: 2.2/ 7 (#1t)

The Ex List Episode 2:
Viewers: 5.71 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)

Moonlight Episode 3:
3. Viewers: 7.30 million (#2), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#3)

The Ex List Episode 3:
3. Viewers: #2, 6.35 million; A18-49: #1, 2.0/ 6

Moonlight the rest of the season (the episodes are numbered):

4. Viewers: 7.78 million (#2), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#1)
5. Viewers: 8.56 million (#2), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#1)
6. Viewers: 7.57 million (#2), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#1)
7. Viewers: 7.96 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 7 (#1)
8. First Half (9:00pm): Viewers: 8.19 million (#2), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1);
Second Half (9:30 pm): Viewers: 8.22 million (#2), A18-49: 2.7/ 8 (#1)
9. Viewers: #2, 7.33 million; A18-49: #2, 2.2/ 6
10. First Half: Viewers 7.64 million, A18-49: 2.1/6;
Second half: Viewers: 7.61 million, A18-49: 2.1/ 6
11. Viewers: 8.38 million; A18-49: 2.3/ 7)
12. First Half: Viewers: 8.39 million (#1), A18-49: 2.3/ 7 (#1);
Second Half: Viewers: 8.28 million (#1), A18-49: 2.4/ 7 (#1t)
13. (Episode 13 came after the big long break from the writer’s strike) Viewers: 7.99 million; A18-49: 2.1/ 6
14. Viewers: 7.92 million and a 2.1/ 7
15. Viewers: #1, 7.68 million; A18-49: #2, 1.9/ 6
16. Viewers: #2, 7.56 million; A18-49: #2, 1.8/ 6

These numbers come from Marc Berman as he posted them. So give or take a couple hundred thousand, as well as removing any of the people who might have watched through DVR or online.

If you compare the numbers of The Ex List (the first three episodes) to the first three episodes of Moonlight, it’s clear who comes out on top.

But both episodes had a 2.0/6 in its third week. So that at least is a tie. Not in overall numbers (Moonlight wins), but in the Demos.

That said, people are comparing the LAST episode of Moonlight (which if you saw the horrible advertisement CBS put out for the season finale, you can’t really blame people for not wanting to watch) to The Ex List’s demos now. That’s not really fair, as Moonlight (along with every other show on television) went down in the demos after the writer’s strike.

Moonlight never went under 2.0 in the demos before the writer’s strike (in fact 14 out of the 16 episodes didn’t, and the overall numbers never went under 7 million). The Ex List on its second episode went under 2.0, and under 6 million.
The only FAIR comparison is to compare the first three episodes of Moonlight, to the first three episodes of The Ex List.

I think, had Moonlight returned, the demos would have gone back up, because that had been their average through the season.

And then after Twilight, or even before, the numbers would have continued to go up. Here’s ALL CBS had to do:

Promote Moonlight to all the Twilight fans by saying, that they have an exclusive sneak peak of the movie Twilight, only to be seen during Moonlight. Millions of fans would have tuned in. Twilight is hugely popular to the Demo, and because it wouldn’t premiere online, they would have watched. And then Moonlight would hook more fans.

And that’s only one thing CBS could have done.

That said, The Ex List is not doing better than Moonlight in the ratings or Demos, especially not in comparison to the numbers based on the first three episodes.

So, I don’t know why people keep saying otherwise.

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20234282,00.html

http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/lettherightonein/

I don’t think it’s personally very admirable to tell people to let Moonlight go. I think it’s time for Moonlight fans to fight for a movie!

Fans who would like to write to Joel Silver and request a Moonlight movie (as Alex O’Loughlin suggested) should use the following address:
Silver Pictures
4000 Warner Blvd
Bldg 90
Burbank, CA 91522

That said, I do realize that Moonlight is gone and not returning to CBS. But, I am still a fan and plan to buy the DVD’s and fight for a movie! It worked for Firefly. Also, I don’t wish anything bad on The Ex List fans.

To me for a Friday night, it is if the show is worth while to watch after I come from the Movies, or is it cool enough to kill time before I go to the Club. Personally, I don’t think any of the shows fall into my personal category of befor clubbing or after cinema. ><