Pushing Daisies isn’t rated high in anything but women 18-49, and in that category it isn’t high enough.

Same with my beloved “30 Rock”, which is only still around because TV people love themselves some themselves and will crawl through broken glass to give Tina Emmys. But at least I realize the reasons why I’m in a very small minority.

What Kristin is doing is WRONG. She is asking people to annoy ABC in the name of her personal tastes. The show is DEAD LAST in ratings for the network. Kristin is asking people to do something that could very well hurt the careers of people behind Pushing Daisies. Fuller doesn’t need fans pissing off executives.

Also my source on this is probably just as good if not better than Kristin’s source. They asked them to re-write the episode. They told them there was still a chance. Producers are trying to get a time/night switch. It’s just not going to work.

“I HATE PUSHING DAISIES! I WANT THE FANS TO WORRY BECAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH HATRED! WAAAA!”

Just stop.

Kristin is more reliable than you will ever be.

Unless you are totally psychic (i know a wiccan kid who is, lol), an ABC exec, or a creeper with a bunch of security cameras all over Pushing Daisies’ sets and locations, then you don’t know what happened.

Thanks for the link to Kristin’s crazy version of what DID happen today (and is the first link to something somewhat official about what I posted on here earlier). ABC flat out told them to make it a finale. No, they didn’t “cancel,” the show. They just told them to make sure the last episode “covers all bases.” Kristin thinks that means “leave things open for the possibility of more episodes.” What it really meant was make sure answer everything you can. Fuller knows the chances of his show lasting are slim and none. Slim just left the building.

The show is OVER. They were told to end it today. Yes, they were told “if things improve,” but that is the NICE way to treat someone you may have to work with again. I know what they were told today. It’s done. Finished. Do not get your hopes up.

Patrick, I dont’ see Metacritic as proof of anything. They don’t cover ever review ever written. The show has gone down hill this season and it started going down hill last season.

Using the Emmy noms as proof of being good is just silly. Art, Makeup, Hairstyle, music & costumes were five of the nominations. It wasn’t nominated for “series,” but acting, supporting actress, writing (pilot), editing (pilot) and direction (pilot). All you can really prove is that the pilot had quality.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b66522_did_abc_just_cancel_pushing_daisies.html

Sorry to confuse you. I was using hyperbole to make my point that saying PD has seen a fair amount of ‘bad’ reviews, but that hardly makes the show bad by any measure. I think I’ve backed up -my- statement; Simply, that it was critically acclaimed, by providing significant evidence.

No, I do not think that PD is at all on the level of Seinfeld, Cheers or I Love Lucy… All shows that did receive some bad reviews (Especially at the beginnings of their runs) but were absolutely not ‘bad’ shows.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/28/abc-hopes-to-boost-pushing-daisies-after-obama-passes/6983

Please!

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/pushingdaisies

An average score of 86 among 30 reviews qualifies very well as critically acclaimed. Certainly some critics disapproved, but some people hated Seinfeld too. And Cheers. And I Love Lucy. I have simply not seen enough evidence that the majorty of critics find it bad in even the remotest sense.

You also forgot nominations for Best Actor and Supporting Actress.

This season is, sadly, still in its infancy, returning after a strike shortened season last year. You again use the word ‘bad’ which is an opinion and not a statement of fact. I again submit, I feel the show simply flies over the intellectual heads of most people.

13 million people gave Pushing Daisies a shot. 7 million of them said “no, thanks.” That to me is a bad show.

This is more comparable to Arrested Development. Critically acclaimed, but intellectually above the head of a ‘mass audience’.

The premise of “touch a dead person, get 60 seconds to talk the dead,” to help solve murders isn’t a bad idea. The execution of the show is just bad. The mysteries aren’t very good at all. I think I’ve mentioned the whole “can’t touch,” nonsense. The combination just makes people change the channel.

As for PD switching networks, it is far too expensive for cable. Why people think that the show would do just as well on cable and retain the same viewership is beyond me. No matter where it would end up it would do poorly. Why? It’s a bad show. The 7M people who don’t watch it who once tried it can’t be wrong.

Sad to have doubted PD’s natural ability but damn! Obama totally flattened the competition. I hope PD can last through this though!

ABC Wednesdays are brutal…

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Thanks again!

I’m interested in how Top Model performed.

Thank you!

I wonder what PD fans will do to try to save it? If Jericho fans sent peanuts (it was peanuts right?), then what would PD fans send? Stuffed body bags like that truth.com commercial? or perhaps pies…

I know I had to correct a couple I work with about Old Christine airing last night. They didn’t think it was going to air and would have not bothered checking unless I told them otherwise. I assume there were a cluster of people that did the same, but without being corrected.

Sadly, I’ve just saw this article today…
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272623510.shtml

The chances are really not good, unfortunately

I’ll use JERICHO as an example. Here is a show that lasted a full season but wasn’t renewed until fans pulled off their famous “save the show,” effort. JERICHO started strong 10M+ viewers for the first quarter of its season. Strong numbers. Pushing Daisies on the other hand had about 9M+ in a comparable spot. JERICHO then saw a drop to a 9M+ average for the 2nd quarter ending with a 10M+ night for the mid-season cliffhanger. A decent save. PD meanwhile dropped to 8M+ in a similar situation. However ABC saw the dwindling numbers and tried HARD to save PD, they went out of their way to promote it’s next show like gangbusters, and it worked. 10M+ watched the episode. ABC returned to normal advertising for the episode. The finale was watched by 6.85M people! A huge drop.

For the rest of this argument we’re going to compare Pushing Daisies new season with the 2nd half of JERICHO’s first season. It’s fair because PD was cut short due to writers strike. JERICHO also didn’t come back until late February Sweeps, a solid and longer wait than normal. This is where CBS screwed that show. JERICHO came back with “middling,” ratings and around 8M+ viewers in it’s 3rd Quarter. PD on the other hand debuted after it’s long wait with 6M+. JERICHO finished with 7M+, while PD is at 5M+.

JERICHO at its worst did 2.75M in the 18-49. PD did 1.9M.

In fact I’m looking at Nielsen Numbers now, and it actually looks like last night was the best night for PD yet. The numbers I have for PD are 6.3M viewers for the premiere and only 2.0M 18-49. Which dropped to 5.6M and 1.9M. So the 6.6M and 2.2M would be season highs. My numbers must be wrong then, or the score on the renew would be worse.

You could theoretically keep the same 18-49 number or even decrease it but still raise your index score…if many other shows went down. The index measures a shows’ season to date 18-49 average vs. its networks aggregate season to date average.

I’m stunned by the people that claim Pushing Daisies gets “middling ratings,” or “comparable to other shows that were saved by smarter networks.” I see this on comments from fans on many sites. The fact is Pushing Daises has HORRIBLE not middling ratings and their ratings are not comparable to shows that were saved. Even Life has a better score than Pushing Daisies.

Life also hasn’t been “saved,” all they did was move the night it’s on to show that either more or less will watch. If numbers go up it MIGHT get saved.

Pushing Daisies is trying now to get moved to another night and hope for a miracle. It’s not going to happen. If ABC changes nights for Pushing Daisies then Fuller will have screwed his fans and not have written a finale for the show.

Yes, but discussing how it might positively or negatively effect his chances is one thing while going on about ‘rigged elections’ is another

(anyway, back to normal programming. big thanks to what you guys do for this site)

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Let’s say the above four episodes give me a total of 29 which is an average of 7.25.

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This gives me a total of 37 which is an average of 7.4

Now let me try something different.

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THis gives me a total of 49. That’s an average of 12.25

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This gives me a total of 57. That’s an average of 11.4

Ah, alright. I see what you’re getting at Nick. I guess the season premiere posted numbers that were MUCH, much higher than what has come since which would in turn mean that the average is indeed dropping simply because the spread between the premiere and the subsequent episodes is so low. Drat.