Have you Billo Lovers ever seen another show with a different FORMAT than BO’s??
Why do you always used that tired, old line about the style of Billo’s show vs Keith’s? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SHOWS AND FORMATS!! GROW UP AND START USING YOUR OWN BRAINS INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO A LIAR LIKE BOR…SHEESH…

I’ve checked out several shows on Fox and truly believe they are virtually worthless as a news source. The talking points and the repeating of outright (provable)lies and constant innuendo (who is Obama? What do we REALLY know about him? Ugh..the worst journalism in the country).
I’ll always stay with MSNBC–especially Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow–for my news; they give facts;verifiable, true facts…it’s so wonderful to just hear the truth and not all the smarmy, race-baiting rhetoric of Fox. Now, they’re just going to be back-peddling like crazy about Obama, and no one with a respectable IQ is going to fall for any ‘changes’ they may make. The damage is done,Fox. I’ll never trust any of you liars again–ever.

What is disengenuous about your comments is that one does not have to look hard to see numerous blogs and even many top level reporters and EVEN Mr. Olberman himself who peddaled the idea that although the Palin skits were funny they portrayed accurately the “troubling side of her deficeits.”
You need to not be so patronizing as to suggest that your comment:

“To be mocked on SNL is a huge honor for anyone because it shows that you make such a big impact on society and what is watched on television, that they take time to make skits about the person and make them out to be more than what they really are…”

That is not at all what was said about Palin….”accurate depiction” was the liberal catch phrase. And it was never said by you sir that Palin was being honored for making such a “huge impact on society.”

My point is that it was amazing that SNL actually portrayed the nut cake Olberman that GE fired. It was his ranting “Eviscerated on all fronts” monolouge on the night of the Republican Convention complete with melodramatic and praticed head spin that got his butt canned from any future Election Anchoring. Matthews got the boot too, but it was all based on Olbermann’s rant. That is a matter of record reported by the AP.

Olbermann’s unfairness and his bizarre paranoias are legendary. For that to have been portrayed to the degree that it was with the depth of writing is just as noteworth as the Palin spoofs. You may not realize it with a name like whatliberalmedia…..but if you go back and read many of the articles from the time Olberman was fired you will see that it is a matter of record that there are high level people who called for his head. And they were in fact the big guys at GE who were catching hell from stockholders furious over Olberman.

It was nothing wrong in me saying that I think it accurately portrayed Olbermann’s dark side that everyone, except synchopants, but even including Tom Brokaw have publicly reprimanded him for.

Olbermann is an anomaly. My prediction is that he will go out on top. He is rising there is no doubt. But he is not apparently playing with a full deck. He has many enemies and with a habbit of mocking people on a regular basis that is no wonder……but the point that was amazing about the SKIT was that it showed what many who are observing this nut already know. Olbermann is his own worst enemy.

Yeah, things were going well under Clinton, and we were running a surplus. We also had a Republican House and Senate at the time also. The last two times we had a Dem House and Senate, as well as a Dem President (Dem-Dem-Dem), were the first two years of Clinton’s first term, and the 4 years that Carter was in office.

People were so happy with the Dem-Dem-Dem setup during Clinton’s first two years, that in the 94 mid-terms, the Rep’s gained 54 house seats, 8 senate seats, and 12 governor seats.

During Carter’s four years (again, entirely Dem-Dem-Dem), the economy was bad. I don’t really remember that era, as I was born in ’78.

It wasn’t until the Rep’s took over both houses of congress that things turned around. Why does Clinton get all the credit? Shouldn’t the credit be shared?

“”"Again Jim …. a cable channel is a business enterprise, so the end game is making more revenues and thus profits and guess MSNBC is now the NO.1 in that field!”"”

Yes, it is a business, and they are out to make money. However, I don’t base how good a network (or a particular show) is by the amount of ad revenue they generate. I care about demos when I am here to see if T:SCC will be stay on the air, but when discussing who has the BEST (not most profitable) news show, demographics don’t play into the discussion. More “people” watch O’reilly, but even that isn’t very important. Bill allows opposing viewpoints on his show. Olbermann does not. How can you possibly have a fair show, if you only give one viewpoint? Also, we will see how well Olbermann does after Obama takes office. With nobody to beat up on, I feel he numbers will drop down big time.

While I don’t support Obama, I do hope things go well under his administration. I don’t think they will, as a Dem-Dem-Dem setup is likely to cause massive spending increases (just as a Rep-Rep-Rep setup has). The best times we had were when we had a Dem in the White House, and Reps in the House and Senate. Unfortunately, we are in for massive changes for at least two years, as there will be no opposition for the Dems. I prefer having the power split.

For the record, I am not a Republican. I am an Independent (or “decline to state”, as they say here in California). I do not have blind faith in any one side. I have not been happy with Bush, and I believe change is needed.

I consider myself a conservative leaning centrist, and I try to view everything from an independent standpoint. Many people watch MSNBC “because” they are liberal, or Fox “because” they are conservative. I step back and try to watch both, knowing that each are going to lean one way. After watching both for a while, it is clear to me that MSNBC (or more specifically Olbermann) leans farther to the left than Fox does to the right.

This SNL skit was truly amazing. I seldom watch SNL but I just happened to tune in last night. I thought when the skit first came on it would be a fluff piece for Olbermann. I was truly stunned! It depicted the Olberman that I think truly exist. A man so in love with himself and his own perceived wittiness that he does not realize what an idiot .. a twisted demented idiot he comes off as. He at times seems slightly deranged. Rupert Murdoch who fired Olberman years ago said he was crazy.
Afleck presented a piece that no conservative could have gotten away with. It showed his melodramatic obsessions his paranoia, his adolescent obsession with harrassing anyone he deems as competion or who does not like him.
This skit even detailed how it does not matter what Bush says it is evidence of the need to bring him up on charges.
The executives at GE need to study that skit and see the message in it. It was not just funny…it was bone chillingly insightful.
I was amazed at Afleck’s intensity…..
If SNL presented even handed portrayals of the left like that on a regular basis then their ratings would blow through the ceiling.
I imagined Olberman in his house, throwing furniture around and spewing profanity and thinking of how to bring Afleck up on charges and who at Newsweek he could get to agreee with him…and then in the midst of his rage…pausing only to glance in the mirror…and then be soothed by the thought that maybe congressional hearings would reveal if O’Rielly was responsible and thus the end of Fox News all for making fun of he who cannot be challanged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://rightsoup.com/shocker-affleck-skewers-keith-olbermann-on-snlon-nbc/
http://rightsoup.com/shocker-affleck-skewers-keith-olbermann-on-snlon-nbc/

Can you believe a bunch of almost illerates determined who is appointed to the supreme court who is going to be the leader of the Rethug party etc. These people are barely literate … dont know much about the constitution, laws, principles and fundamentals of our civilized society …. the core of our democracy. No wonder they find it so easy to trash the Habeas Corpus. They undermined habeus corpus and in my opinion should be tried for treason.

What is happening to our country, that we allow venom spewers to direct our policy rather than intellects. Dont we want the best for our country or do we want direction from ppl who could barely make it past high school but are good at talking crap. Remember you listen to Joe Six Packs like Hannity, Limbaugh, Sarah Palin you get 8 of the worst years of you life just like you had under another famous Joe Six Pack … George Bush. So when you vote on Tuesday make sure its a vote against Joe Six Pack not because you hate Joe Six Pack but you need someone smarter to run the country. There is nothing wrong in having someone intelligent running the country. Rethugs may think otherwise but look where they got us!

Vote Obama Biden 08

CNN is way too center … MSNBC on the left is what gives balance to Faux News.

You claim CNN is Clinton News Network … when a president did awesome things you can be fair and praise him. Did’nt we have surplus under President Clinton. Did we have a vibrant and growing and properous time. So it was actually fair to praise Clinton. Right wing propoganda makes you believe anything good done by a liberal is actually bad and thus CNN was Clinton News Network. In actuality its the Rethugs who have no morals and no aptitude to see or understand what is good for the country and define everything in narrow political terms and paint any good done by a liberal as bad and then defame any organization which highlights that good as in case of a completely and truly fair and balanced network like CNN. That is exactly why we need MSNBC …. to really show what the liberal bias is so that the coward Rethugs know how CNN is actually fair! haha

There’s so much data, there’s something for everyone to boast about!

And you are wrong. I care about total viewers. The American people are not advertisers. It doesn’t matter what demographic advertisers care about. It helps the networks decide which shows to keep due to ad revenue, but that is a different issue than whose show is more popular overall. A LOT more people watch Bill’s show. That is just a fact. Just because somebody is under 25, or over 54, doesn’t mean they don’t matter anymore.

Obama’s aunt needs a place to live also. It’s a world community out here people. Immigrants from every country should be welcome.

So what if she doesn’t have the proper paperwork. It’s not Pres. Obama’s fault.

The waredrobe issue, Palin’s dumbness, McCain’s erratic behavior, Vetting of Palin, Todd’s Traitor tendencies etc. would never have received review and constant coverage if it were’nt for MSNBC. Faux barely covered that story and other networks and CNN covered it mainly because MSNBC was getting good ratings covering it so they jumped on the bandwagon.

Again Jim NO ONE cares about the total viewers … more geezers for O’Reilly is not a big deal! The ad rates depend on the key demo and as it stands today MSNBC is in a position to charge higher ad rates than Faux News and since cable channels are commmercial enterprise revenues and thus profits is their sole goal (could be propoganda in Faux’s case) and at that MSNBC should now start handily beating Faux Noise.

Also I hear for certain reliable sources that Rosie O Donald and Bill Maher are in talks with MSNBC and with them added to the line up expect audiences to explode even more and Faux rendered as an inconsequential propoganda outfit.

Now, MSNBC has Olbermann and Matthews. Those guy are further to the left than O’reilly is to the right. Olbermann doesn’t even put anyboy on his show who disagrees with him. Say what you will about Fox. At least they put on people with opposing viewpoints

Anybody who doesn’t see that MSNBC is at LEAST as biased as Fox News, has been blinded by their hatred of conservatism. Both channels are biased! MSNBC more so. Why is it that only Fox gets called out on it? If you want fair and impartial news, why don’t you call out MSNBC for their biased reporting as well?

I saw Olbermann bragging yesterday how his show beat O’reilly’s show 7 out of the last 13 days in the demo. He called Bill out for asking for an investigation into the numbers. Olbermann said Bill was number 2 because “you suck”. Well, he should probably have mentioned that 7 out of 13 is not a big victory, and that the numbers are exremely close in the demographic. However, in TOTAL viewers, Olbermann gets CRUSHED by O’reilly. Because he squeaks by in a demo, he thinks he is the new king. Somebody should tell him that many more people watch the other guy.

Could be also said as yeah Faux gives both sides of lies. A small lie and a bigger lie.

That said this should surely give the democrats ability accuse that Sarah Palin is a secessionist since her husband is one. Apparently knowing a distant relative who is in US illegally makes you guilty … then why should’nt being married to a secessionist make you (aka Sarah Palin) a traitor too?

That said I was kinda suprised they didnt taint John Kerry for being a descendant of Count Dracula till I found out that Bush is also a descendant of Count Dracula and hence guess that was off limits in 2004!

As for guns, BO may not want to ban guns, but guns and ammo will SURELY be a target of a SIN TAX. Cigarette sin tax imposed, heavily declining revenue fo all tax bodies as cigarette smoking overall is down
Democrats always tax things they hate. Probably same effect for guns and ammo. Guns and ammo tax would probably kill the industry, and hence achieve the aim of de-arming the citizens
Surely a covert effect at taking away their will to fight.
Unwilling to pay the high tax for guns and ammo, done, Americans are un armed.

Government pricing influences change behavior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUU
Tax it and they will buy less.
“Not going to be painless…” Mark my words America, you will hear this phrase again.

If you can read thins, thank a teacher. If you can still read it in English, you’re welcome. Deskpilot, AM(H)1 (AW), USN(Ret)

You want the Dems in office, so nothing can stop Obama? Did that work well when Jimmy Carter was president? He had a big majority in the house and senate, but the economy was worse than it is now (inflation and unemployment in double digits!)

Also, if you don’t want a news channel to tell you the things your president is doing wrong, you have two choices. Change the channel, or turn off your TV. You think it is easy for conservatives to put up with people like Olbermann, who is so blatantly biased it isn’t even funny? At least Fox News gives both sides of an issue. As much as I hate MSNBC for its bias (which is 10x worse than Fox), I don’t think the gov’t should be taking them off the air.

On alternative fuel again limited knowledge discussion on such topics is potentially why this country is sending 700 billion to middle east each year. Remember even disel needs to be imported for middle east. We need to move to US generated fuels no matter what the cost is this is NOT a financial issue. This is a national security issue and Repulicans to avoid govt invention will prevent or subsidize this industry leaving us at the mercy of the middle east for the next century. President Obama will end this dependance forever!

As regards the war Obama opposed it from the start! So dont hold that against him. That said, its not the JOB of US troops to build schools and help Iraqis live a good secure life on our tax dollars. US troops are trained to fight wars and that is what they should do NOT nation building. Clear sign of a dysfunctional chain of command and a dysfunctional president. Go ahead and keep defending that line and then rack your brain after election to find the reasons where your side went wrong. Also dont say anything about the surge either tired of that line. Making a horrible wrong war to somewhat horrible is NOT reason to celebrate.

Socialism arguement is not only phony but disingenious specially considering we always had a progessive tax system. That said considering you are a soldier I bet you get a 300% higher tax cut under Obama than under McCain. So the weird part is why would you continue defending McCain’s tax cut for the wealthy? For me it seems rational reasoning is not what you base your opinion rather Faux News talking points. (Actually I make more than 250K myself but I vote for Obama cuz I’d rather pay a bit more in taxes now than have my kids live in a bankrupt ruined country). Tax cuts have to be paid for, if we do it by deficit spending its basically get a cut now and making our children pay back with interest to china or by spending cuts … do you want Obama to cut the military, or stop making roads, bridges etc to fund tax cuts?? Seems the Republican arguement is so disingenious. Specially considering Drix would get 300% less tax back in his income level under McCain.

2nd Amendment … Obama clearly said he is not taking anyone’s guns. So you can cling to yours without any fear under Obama’s Presidency. That said we live in a civilized society … guess Republican still have the tribe mentality and need guns!

I can see legimate disagreement on abortion and I respect that line of arguement. I bet that is your main disagreement and all other critisism are faked to mask you are not a single issue voter. Just be honest and say so …. atleast you’ll have our respect rather than BS talking points on other issues which dont even affect you or are phony and made up to show you are just not a single issue voter. There is nothing wrong in being a single issue voter if that issue is of importance to you. But just be honest about it!

That said I do disagree with you on abortion. I think a women should have a consititutional right to privacy and banning abortion would mean significantly undermining our consititution and our freedoms. Also my notion of when life begins may vary from yours. However its a legitimate respectful disagreement and most certainly you can base your vote on that. But again dont come with phony additional points, just makes the republicans seem desperate and phony and so dislikeable … aka Joe the Fake Plumber. BTW his name is not even Joe … see the irony, republicans like to lie about everything even a harmless thing as their names!!

Other than the fact that it seems to drive Bill crazy who cares (exception: networks and stockholders) which one has bigger numbers. That is what the remote is for. Watch the show you like. This is what this country has come to: people attacking each other personally over tv shows. Bill is an entertainer, that is what he is paid to do. People watch him for a variety of reasons, not the least is his ability to go over the top. That is why he is worth so much money to FOX. Lots of calm reasoned persons have lost shows. If he were one of them he wouldn’t have a show. He isn’t dull.

And Keith, Keith is just using Bill’s bizarre behaviors to entertain his viewers. It’s all one big joke. Obviously, if the “Countdown” viewers had no idea who O’Reilly was the “outrage” would not work. We all need to lighten up and stop demonizing anyone we don’t agree with. Stop calling people names.

In this wonderfully wacky world we live in Joe the Plumber can’t believe his luck. Of course he would take advantage of his “celebrity.” That is the American way. I think McCain who mocked Obama for being a celebrity has unwittingly created two more celebrities, Joe the Plumber and Sarah the Governor. Amazing but financially good for them.

I just want this election to be over and for the winner to actually deliver on the promise which both candidates have made: to overcome this divide, bring the whole country together, and help all Americans get a better life. Isn’t that what we all want?

Pres. Obama will do something about Fox News & hopefully we’ll get rid of them.

I just can’t take another four years of bashing Pres. Obama like they did with our Pres. Clinton.

Fox = KKK

Congress does anything the president does Veto they can override with a majority it works both ways. If Republicans or Dems have a Vast Majority they can Over ride Vetos they can intoduce new Legistion. so yes they do have the power, and they are 2/3rds reponsable.

if Joe is or isnt has changed the subject of Obamas Socialist idea of taking from one group to give to another. thats my point, if Joe has unpaid taxes then yes legal action needs to be taken. However the point goes it has pulled away from the fact of the socialist idea of redistribution of wealth.

once agian, i have disagreement about alternative fuels, either way back in the 70′s the Democrat Majority controlled congress and the presidency flip flopped back from Dems and Reps you surmise that now with presidential and control of congress they will now push industry into alternative fuels.

I cant say much ethenol or hybrids because i dont think they will impact like diesel will. Bio diesel has moved forward further then any form of alternative fuel and faster in the last 4 years.

the war spending, forgive me but yah most all those democrat senators and representives willing aggreed to entire into this war. they now dont want to admit this was gonna take longer they anyone thought and refuse to share blame. how convient to push this off on the President. Your Phoney war as you say was backed by a large portion of the Dems. as far as that goes, I dont care what reason we went in for the fact its it took longer then anyone figured and its about ready to be over. If you wernt there in the begining you might not see it. but last year we helped build schools cities and even Turned over the Al Anbar providence not long ago. Anbar was once hailed the most dangrous part of Iraq.

and no i dont aggree with Dems on the following

Abortion
socialism
2nd amendment
the fact they Defended Fannie mae and freddie mack from having REGULATION, yes they didnt want them regulated. they created a false pillow of security while they backed a Very large percentage of home loans. The Republicans did want them regulated because they were lying about their income. and guess what these companies caused the biggest economic crisis next to the Depression. and guess who was getting paid, Obama recieved the second most contributions from Fannie Mae. and the Democrates top the List.
Obama’s connection with Bill Ayres,
Obama connection with a leader of the PLO which the LA times has a video but wont release. If I were Obama and knew nothing was going on there i would of Demanded the release of it to clear my name, but he hasnt.
not to mention he is a junior senator and he picked as the DNC nominee for president. he will be a puppet at least with Hillary the DNC would of had a more independent voice rather then just a figure head.

When you put words in ppls mouths make sure you at least use the correct ones.
I never said i dis or agree in the bigging. I pointed out how Obama has changed his tax idea from 250k to 120 that biden spouted. and i pointed out how obama and biden voted to not renew the tax reforms bush has in place. that would increase the taxes anyone who makes 41500 a year have an increase. I Berate him for changing his mind by telling everyone 250k and now its 120k i call that Lieing. As i Mentioned before nether tax plan will have an impact on me if it does it wont be any sizable difference.

Now oil is currently at 67 a barrel. Some oil man have recently predicted we could see 20 a barrel in 6-8 months. With gas back to $1 a gallon private sector will probably kill all alternative fuel ventures. We will be back send our enemies in the middle east 700 Billion a year. Under President Obama irrespective of the price of oil we will invest in technologies which will completely end our dependance on oil, it may take us a few years to get the economies of scale like as in any new product. McCain would’nt do that, because he firmly is again govt intervention (core republican principle) even if it means strengthening our enemies economically. But sometimes govt intervention is a necessary evil.

How can you blame the congress for the surplus turned into deficit by bush! Again the policy is driven by the president. That said it was a rethug congress for 6 years of the bush presidency which really made the mess.

How can you blame the congress for the respect we lost worldwide under bush even though it was mainly a rethug congress when we lost all this respect? It was bush who drove the policy, demonized our allies with the my way or highway policies, started phony wars, divided ppl and the country for partisan political gains and so much more. Inspite of a rubber stamp rethug congress he had … it was bush who destroyed the worldwide respect for US and not the congress.

That said you seem to agree with most democratic inclinations … have you considered really why you are a republican then? Is it peer pressure or just not knowing better. Because (no pun intended) everything you agreed with and are for is something democrats would do and republicans demonize.

That only reason I even bought up Joe’s unlicensed status was because it neatly fitted with his other phoniness. Like someone making 40K a year claiming he is on the verge of buying a 250K a year business (typically such buy would cost 750K … 3X profits). His main aim was to ask a gothca question. (Would’nt be suprised if McCain camp put him up to it because they are so good at working with unvetted ppl). He is being ripped apart because he clearly demonstrates the phoniness at its peak in the republican electorate. Come on any reasonable person can see how dumb this fellow is, and how iresponsible it would be for us to be hoodwinked by his lies. Personally I think on the intellectual level Joe is the same league as the reverse B McCain supporter.

Alternative Fuels would be awesome, Im a firm Beliver in them I drive a Diesel and diesels can Burn plenty of alternative fuels. we just need to get the industry going. i expect to see many changes comming in 10-15years this is just from private corporations. I dont think any of there plans are gonna detour from alternative fuels. but neither plan will happen over night.

2.) Based on the above expect most of our enemies crippled by economic might rather than wars. Russia, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Venuzuala … all our enemies are nothing but broken economies without Petro Dollars!!

no aguements here. it falls in line with #1 been to Kuwait? there Dinar Trounces our dollar even back in the hey day of the dollar. last time i was there a Dinar cost me about 7 US dollars.

3.) Surpluses to pay down debt. Something the Rethugs are so irresponsible about!
700 Billion saves from importing fuel + 400B saved from needless wars. Current deficits around 400B (taking out one time exp) … so suplus of 700B each year!

Once agian, I blame congress for 2/3rds of everthing that happened. Clinton had a Rep controlled congress and it was one of the best balanced budgets this country has seen. Clinton did his part he didnt veto it.

4.) Join the league of civilized countries by having true universal healthcare.

I would be awesome if everyone had the same deal that i Have being in the Military I have not paid for medical care. however goverment ran health care has a pretty some crazyness that any governement controlled agency does.

5.) Gain back the respect of the world! Where we are taken seriously. Our words have greater weight than our swords. The dream America like under President Clinton.

once agian I place blame on congress they have 2/3rd the power. and agian a Republican controlled congress.

Shame on him for not paying taxes! im being serious when i say that. as far as not being Licenced that can really depend on the work you do. contractors Licences are required in most states and cities. but most states and cities place a dollar amount on the work before requiring a Licence. I had a friend that did was very Skilled contractor but he wouldnt exceed a dollar amount on a job because he said it required a contractors Licence to go any further. right or wrong bending the rules. thats how the law was written.

I can only speculate that he hired a publicist because the guy is being torn apart by the media now.

A man asks a Question to a Presidential Nominee. Obama gets away from scripted performance and spouts some socialist ideas the next day the man is getting attacked from the Media…

1.) Alternative fuels will save Americans an average of $200 – $300 a month. All the money rolls back to the economy in form of simulus. Expect our GDP to grow significantly …. a new strong and robust economy. Obama has a better plan probably cutting out oil for ever.

2.) Based on the above expect most of our enemies crippled by economic might rather than wars. Russia, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Venuzuala … all our enemies are nothing but broken economies without Petro Dollars!!

3.) Surpluses to pay down debt. Something the Rethugs are so irresponsible about!
700 Billion saves from importing fuel + 400B saved from needless wars. Current deficits around 400B (taking out one time exp) … so suplus of 700B each year!

4.) Join the league of civilized countries by having true universal healthcare.

5.) Gain back the respect of the world! Where we are taken seriously. Our words have greater weight than our swords. The dream America like under President Clinton.

Those are my priorities …. I am sure for different ppl Obama brings in different things.

That said why do we attack Joe the Plumber. The reason is plain and simple because he is emblematic of what is really wrong with this country. What is wrong with the Rethug party!!!

1st … he didnt have to lie about his name and he does! 2nd he isnt a plumber and he claims he is one … lying for just no reason. 3rd he owes back taxes on income of 41K … that is really scum baggy. 4th Obama’s tax plan would give him 300% cuts than McCain, but since he can be easily brainwashed by Rethug philosophy he spouts nonsense. 5th he doesnt have the money or resources to buy a 250K business yet he claims he is about to buy one. We are a country of dreamers, because you do what you dream. But you have to work hard for it. When the so called Plumber claimed he wanted to buy a 250K business, considering his 250K backlog and 40K annual salary he would never be able to do it in 8 years of an Obama President even if he saved all his salary … so he is phony too.