Comments on: Updated Sunday Ratings: Best Numbers for The Simpsons Since January 2004

By: DaisiesDeathKnell

DaisiesDeathKnell — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:08:21 +0000

The King Of The Hill pickup from ABC is very, very unlikely. It’s only rumored and it would only have the potential of happening if Judge’s new series, The Goode Family, proves successful on ABC. It probably won’t. It and Scrubs will post decent numbers but the Goode Family will need GREAT numbers if ABC wants to air it next fall afters Scrubs finishes. So, really, a King Of The Hill pickup from ABC hinges on far too many factors.

By: ABCFanatic

ABCFanatic — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:49:28 +0000

why would ABC pick up King of the Hills

ABC picked up Scrubs because Scrubs is part of ABC studios

I don’t think King of the Hills is part of ABC studios

By: Gleebo

Gleebo — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:26:15 +0000

That’d be crazy if ABC picked up King of the Hill. Most people rank it far under the Simpsons and Family Guy but that show has been a damn warhorse for the network. I wonder how many combined timeslot changes they made between KotH and Malcolm in the Middle over the years…yet both still kept trudging along with acceptable but modest ratings.

Along with them picking up Scrubs you gotta wonder how much cheaper it is for a network to just pick up an established series from another network. Is it possible that spending time and money on huge ad campaigns to launch a new series and film a pilot far more of a financial drain than just picking up a show with a pre existing fan base?

By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:16:23 +0000

Some say it was a new episode of Valentine and others claim it was a repeat, maybe different in certain places? Easy Money seems to have been a repeat everywhere.

By: Rhuw Morgan

Rhuw Morgan — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:40:07 +0000

Valentine was a Repeat at 6pm of Episode 2 with the arrival of Ari, but at 8pm it was a brand new episode with the guy from Greek in it as a personal trainer who used to go out with Kate. Maybe Mandy watched the earlier episode?

By: ABCFanatic

ABCFanatic — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:56:09 +0000

DH rocks the ratings while B/S and TAR are hitting its seasons low hope it rises

By: Andrea

Andrea — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:08:57 +0000

Thanks!

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:52:48 +0000

Andrea, yes, it was eaten by the spam filter, sorry. I’ve freed it. It’s true (linked to that NYT story last night) and Bill publishes (Thursdays) the weekly season-to-date network comparisons:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/29/cbs-fox-split-season-to-date-leads-after-5-weeks/7146

By: Andrea

Andrea — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:39:53 +0000

Hey guys,

I posted a link in my last thread. Possible it was eaten by the spam filter?

By: Andrea

Andrea — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:38:13 +0000

Hey guys,

I just read in the New York Times an article that said CBS was leading the other networks in the key demo (18-49). Is this true?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/03/business/media/03ratings.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=cbs%20ratings&st=cse&oref=slogin

By: Cool

Cool — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:31:20 +0000

ABC might pick up ‘King of the Hill’
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995191.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

By: tom

tom — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:21:18 +0000

calm down jt. luckily many people disagree with you. i liked treehouse 19 very much. opening was great. transformers cute but short. loved the great pumpkin. the mad men thing was good. i’m sure i’ll love it more next year. treehouses and simpsons always get better with time… sort of like wine. like you whining about how bad it and fg is.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:15:19 +0000

Gleebo here are my guesses:

1. All airings other than last night aired during daylight saving time. Last night, standard time.

2. Fox promoted the hell out of the episode the last two weeks, at least during all the sports I watched (NFL and World series)

3. The annual “Treehouse of Horror” episodes are very popular

By: JT

JT — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:11:43 +0000

I think “Family Guy” is horrible. While I agree “The Simpsons” is horrible as well (did anyone here actually watch that episode…worst Treehouse episode ever!), at least it used to be good. Family Guy has never been good in my humble opinion. By the way, I now only watch the Treehouse episodes of the Simpsons, but this may have been the last year.

By: Gleebo

Gleebo — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:11:01 +0000

Holy crap! Where did all those Simpsons viewers come from?

9/28 – 9.30 mil
10/5 – 7.431 mil
10/19 – 8.090 mil
11/2 – 12.48 mil

That’s one hell of a jump from the season average so far! And after being pre-empted last week for the World Series, usually this hurts shows, but not the Simpsons. I wonder if a lot of people didn’t realize the show had even started a new season yet and thought that THOH IX was the Season premiere like they have done with some seasons (12-16 all started the season in November with a Tree House of Horrors ep).

By: tom

tom — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:42:49 +0000

it’s sort of interesting how fox loves macfarland and has given him dad and the new spinoff but matt g had to fight tooth and nail to get 4 seasons out of futurama. his reward was a bad timeslot and preemptions. if futurama had been given the post simpsons slot like dad has with family guy then futurama would have been huge and not relied on cartoon network reruns to revive itself.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:53:07 +0000

Tom, damned if you do…our spam filter caught the link. Sorry about that, it has been freed.

I read the article. I have no idea what he is talking about. Perhaps it regularly beats the Simpsons when the Simpsons is a rerun and American Dad isn’t (I’m not even sure if that’s true). But I couldn’t find any airing where Dad beat The Simpsons, though it has been *close* in the demos at least a couple of times

By: Dennis

Dennis — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:42:34 +0000

Congrats to the Simpsons, I’m kinda glad that people still wanna see the show that I grew up with…

By: Johnthemon

Johnthemon — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:25:22 +0000

good for the Simpsons! American Dad also did quite well tonight, and Family Guy. Go FOX!

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:17:34 +0000

Sam, in fairness, I trust Wiki quite often and Ike was right about my mistakes, but wrong to assume that just because I am not always (or even usually) careful to edit my work here that I don’t know the difference between a possessive a contraction and a typo. Especially since he isn’t paying for the product he needs to keep his inner grammar Nazi to himself.

I know there are many people who have a bug up their butts about certain things — and for some it’s apostrophes. These errors bug many people (hi Julia!) but most have the decency to overlook it. My pet peeve is “Your” vs. “You’re” but it’s only a peeve for me when someone says “Your a moron” or “your an idiot”.

As for Daylight Saving Time, I learned something. I really did always think it was Daylight Savings Time

By: tom

tom — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:11:05 +0000

sorry… didn’t mean anything by it… here’s the link…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_en_tv/tv_q_a_seth_macfarlane;_ylt=AqTGRRVikycG3ObrSTA0uIJpMhkF

By: cesarrr

cesarrr — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000

I hate THE SIMPSONS, think it’s a dumb show, I can’t believe it’s still on the air. FAMILY GUY is 10,000 times better, and it never gets old. I’m so glad that it regularly beats the simpsons in total viewers and the demos.

Here in Argentina, and most of Latin America, The Simpsons airs in the afternoons, along with cartoons , as if it was a children’s show. I think that’s funny.

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:07:46 +0000

Ike, anyone who quotes Wikipedia and tells others to check that as a point of verifying facts is automatically discredited in every way, shape, or form. Really, can’t we do better than those standards for research? like I don’t know… navy.mil, energy.gov, LA Times, Baltimore Sun, microsoft.com. All those are much better sources for verifying your point and it took no longer than 10 seconds to find. For someone so anal about others’ detail mistakes, you sure have some pretty poor standards yourself.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:54:32 +0000

Damn The Simpsons has some strong pulling power.

Certainly keeps bringing in audiences

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:47:41 +0000

Ike, never comment on this blog again.

Thank you.

By: Ike

Ike — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:46:32 +0000

Robert, sorry to be a grammar fanatic, but you misspelled Daylight Saving Time as “Daylight’s Savings Time.” Bizarrely, it is actually spelled Daylight Saving Time (just re-check that Wikipedia link and you’ll see what I mean), not Savings, and certainly not Daylights or Daylight’s. Also, you spelled The Simpsons as “The Simpson’s.” What belongs to a Simpson in that sentence? (I wonder where all of the modern era’s rampant apostrophe abuse originates.)

Anyway, if I remember correctly, 60 Minutes usually gets a boost after the end of Daylight Saving Time. I’m not sure about other 8 p.m. programs. In the case of Chuck, I sure hope so, but we’ll have to wait a week to find out.

By: R.J.

R.J. — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:30:27 +0000

I’m Impresed with the FOX animated show ratings. But i think FOX should be doing better than 4th place for the hole night. With King Of The Hill hiting 8 million, i have questons why fox even cancelled it in the first place. It’s not one of my favorite fox sunday show, but it’s good. FG did better than i tought it would. AD i’m also impresed with.

Can anyone explan the rating sare for me?

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:25:59 +0000

why not provide the link?

By: tom

tom — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:24:53 +0000

thanks. i think fg is helped by the later slot… but it also has stronger competition.

he was definitely not talking about family guy… he clearly is talking about american dad.

AP: “American Dad!” has always been the stepchild of “Family Guy” in terms of viewers and critics.
MacFarlane: It’s had a struggle. “American Dad!” has had a struggle. But now it’s regularly beating “The Simpsons.”

just seems odd to me.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:17:58 +0000

Tom, Mcfarland’s FAMILY GUY regularly beats The Simpsons in the 18-34 and 18-49 demos (not last night though). As for American Dad, there might be *some* demo it beats the Simpsons regularly in, but i’m not familiar with it.

By: tom

tom — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:03:24 +0000

just read an interview with seth mcfarland and in it he says american dad beats the simpsons regularly… is that true? joking? a misquote? i don’t remember seeing american dad doing better but is it winning in some demo?

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:17:17 +0000

and putting the (R) status back in… I guess the reason not to burn the couple of new episodes up is it give them more time for “what’s to come”

By: Mandy

Mandy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:09:42 +0000

valentine was a repeat of episode 2

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:00:37 +0000

Rhuw, thanks — I took the (R) status out. Wiki, and the show web sites themselves seem to indicate that all three were new last night. Plus, with Easy Money and Valentine’s production ceased with new episodes remaining, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t have burned them up.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:53:44 +0000

haha Dave, just an honest typo. I wouldn’t deliberately try to short Bill and myself out of that last year in the demo.

By: dave

dave — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:49:05 +0000

the article says the simpons got a 6.0 in the i guess new “18-48″ demo lol.

By: Bill Gorman

Bill Gorman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:46:50 +0000

Rhuw, thanks for the heads up. Our info definitely said repeat, but that’s the kind of error that has happened before with our data.

By: Rhuw Morgan

Rhuw Morgan — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:44:04 +0000

I’m pretty sure Valentine was a new episode last night, I hadn’t seen it before anyway.

By: DaisiesDeathKnell

DaisiesDeathKnell — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:13:47 +0000

I love how the Race is now surrounded by shows that do much worse in the key demographic. It’s also in a timeslot that helps it draw in far more viewers than it would on any other night. Glad CBS took a chance last fall to bring it back for TAR12 and it looks like this pony will be able to run alongside dinosaurs such as Survivor & American Idol for at least a little while longer.

By: Bill Gorman

Bill Gorman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:09:04 +0000

Kyle, KOTH will still air new episodes until reportedly sometime during the 2009-10 season. Our guess is that factors other than simple show economics lead to Fox’s decision.

By: Bill Gorman

Bill Gorman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:07:56 +0000

I’m with the Daylight Savings Time end explanation of the 60 Minutes boost too. I checked to see if CBS might have had a good football game that pushed almost to 7pm Eastern, but I think Miami/Denver was the only late CBS game and I can’t believe that did big numbers.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:00:15 +0000

Um, okay so KOTH has better viewers and demo than American Dad, yet it was canceled? WTF?

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:58:56 +0000

Julia, it perhaps says that CWs shows will not drop below that threshold no matter what they air.

By: entertainmenttodayandbeyond

entertainmenttodayandbeyond — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:56:58 +0000

Brothers and Sisters is a terrific program that has shed around 3 million viewers from last season. Almost every show has shown erosion year over year!

By: Julia

Julia — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:56:27 +0000

Well, the CW shows held up in repeats at just about the exact same levels as originals. Not that that says very much, but still.

By: the128boy

the128boy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:48:14 +0000

The demos for CBS are almost funny. Sunday is so old-skewing for them. They must be happy with viewers numbers, though. Brothers and Sisters does an increasingly poor job of holding it’s housewives lead-in. I wonder if abc is pondering a springtime move. It would not surprise me to see it happen.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:48:11 +0000

D, no idea. I’m not sure how the NASCAR overrun played out and whether everything was back on track at 7:30.

Mike, Fox animations all do well in the demos, especially 18-34. King of the Hill was beaten in that demo for the night only by The Simpsons and Family Guy.

By: D

Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:45:07 +0000

So DH should come in over 16 million in finales, right? It posted 15.63 last week and ended up at 15.95.

By: Mike G.

Mike G. — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:40:44 +0000

Great numbers for the Simpsons. Amazing how many viewers King of the Hill sheds,