however it didn’t make sense that cameron didn’t just unload on him with it to begin with. i doubt that chromartie couldn’t have killed sarah or derek in the first “wave” where they’re apparently softening him up/depleting his ammo.

this show would be so good on sunday 9-10, following simpsons/tfg.

Get on with it or at least give us some resolution to some characters who’s fates were left uncertain last season. What happened to the girl who could mimic anything she watched in New Orleans? What happened to Peter’s Irish girlfriend that nobody who watched the show even liked. We still want to know some of these things….

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/11/60-minutes-csi-and-sunday-night-football-lead-weekly-top-20/7938

These two shows have NOTHING in common. HEROES isn’t a serialized “puzzle” series like LOST where the entire series hinges on its outcome. I mean, most superhero shows, or movies, don’t have “end games.” This show doesn’t, and it doesn’t need one for it to function properly either.

What it DOES need is better storytelling, and arcs that can comprise an entire season and keep viewers coming back. That has nothing to do with an “exit strategy” any more than ANY other dramatic series on television needs one in order to be successful.

Anybody notice how that shoot out last night was a reprise of the final scene in “Scarface” (the Pacino version)? There’s Cromartie acting like Pacino, getting shot up right and left and not going down. In walks Cameron like the assassin with a shotgun and blows him away!

And the Mexico police station massacre was a reprise of the Arnold police station massacre in the original “Terminator” movie.

And Summer Glau was incredibly HOT in the bedroom scene. I had predicted that she would make a move on John to repair their damaged relationship after she tried to kill him in episode one, and worse, babbling about how she “loved him” – which only angered him.

So what did she do last night? First, she puts on her “seduction array” – hot pants and boots. Then she strips off her jacket, leaving only a thin top before entering his room. Then she closes the doors, establishing that this is going to be an “intimate session” without Sarah or Derek around. Then she climbs on his bed with major thighage showing!

John nervously tries to blow it off by asking her if she thinks Riley will be scarred for life if she sees them in bed. Cameron coolly blows that off by telling him she watched Riley leave “until I couldn’t see her” – again establishing that this is intended to be an “intimate moment” – with Riley on the outs.

Then she tells John that he’s endangering Riley. (Josh Friedman agrees – in the online chat last night, he said he thinks John’s “an idiot” for being involved with Riley – but that John has his reasons.) Then she tells him she knows being John Connor is “lonely”. And that she and future John “talk about that a lot”.

If the Caminator ever makes a more aggressive move on Connor, the kid is TOAST! She’s demonstrated twice this season that she can be major seductive (the first time in the bar scene in “Automatic for the People”). She tried to seduce him last year in the “Vic’s Chip” episode, but that got spoiled when Sarah smelled nail polish and came into the bedroom.

She’s doing this for her hidden agenda, which we know nothing about as yet. But we know she has one because the evidence indicates that she was never sent back by future John at all – she came back on her own initiative. We know that because 1) future John would never have sent back a Terminator not subject to either his or his mother’s orders, not when there was a risk of it going ape; 2) we know she had access to the time chamber, because it was her retinal scan that opened the door for Derek in “D&D”; 3) we know she knows how to operate the time machine because she did it in the pilot.

Trust me – Cameron is going to nail John at some point and make him her slave.

Gossip Girl
- 2.883 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.5/4 A18-49
- 2.2/6 A18-34

One Tree Hill
- 2.989 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 2.4/6 A18-34

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No, that’s the thing. You’re right; it was up against barely any competition. But the numbers it got showed that people WOULD watch it as opposed to simply not caring for it at all. So for example, on Fridays in its new timeslot the only competition really would be Ghost Whisperer. I think TSCC has the potential to do well there. But of course I could be completely wrong. You can never be sure.

I don’t believe you can use TSCC’s performance last year as an indicator of what its capable of doing in a ‘normal’ season. If memory serves me right then it debuted mid season and was one of the only scripted shows running new episodes and not stuck in repeats, it was always going to do better in that situation than it would going up against new shows across all the other networks. There was just no competition when it debuted. I suspect that had TSCC debuted last year without the writers strike it probably would have hit the same numbers it is now.

“Alex, the problem is season 2 and 3 have no respect for continuity. It’s all over the place. The show is pretty much screwed. If it keeps going down the path it is on, it will drop below a 3.0 in the 18-49s before the end of this season. That isn’t worth picking up a 4th season. HEROES is in more trouble than people want to admit. NBC firing people is a sign that they see it.” – Nick C

I don’t disagree that there are creative problems with the show but I also don’t think that a major series retcon of just pretending seasons 2 & 3 never happened is going to work, it just alienates the audience that have stuck with the show and it doesn’t really do much to win round the people that have stopped watching. What do you want them to do, pull a Dallas ‘Dream Season’? As I said previously I’m willing to take a wait and see with Heroes creatively to see what impact, if any, the return of Bryan Fuller will have.

Fuller was a key creative figure during season one and it was only after his departure to develop Pushing Daisies that Heroes started to hit problems. If rumor is to be believed then NBC are keen to bring Fuller back as a writer and have him fill the vacant Exec-Producer role when Pushing Daisies wraps, so my guess is that they’re hoping the return of one of the key creative figures from the first season will help to spark a revival of the show.

At this point I can’t see Heroes not returning for a fourth season just because, what else does NBC have? Short of launching new shows across just about every night and timeslot next season what is NBC going to do if they don’t bring shows like Heroes back, which have struggled recently but still create some degree of buzz and interest. It costs a hell of a lot of money to launch new shows so for another year at least NBC may be better with the devil they know whilst they replace complete disasters like Worst Enemy next year.

I agree that PB should have closure this season. Its time for the Brothers Burrows to finally kick the behinds of The Company who is responable for putting them in the clink in the first place.

Get Scylla, expose The Company, get back to a normal life…one can hope.

So, FOX is happy with TSCC then? Awesome! Glad they aren’t just looking at numbers… I’m really hoping the Friday block works out too.

If you want to get people back that watched Season 1, you need to do something drastic.

I have to admit that I was amused by the idea that NBC should hire writers who understand continuity for Heroes and then instruct those writers to completely ignore seasons 2 and 3 and pretend as if they never happen. If you want to retcon the show back to where it was at the end of season 1 then use someone’s power to wipe out the past year and give the show a clean slate for the fourth season. Although I would in no way support that since that would be even worse than the annoying but not earth shattering continuity errors the show currently has.

Heroes problems were forseen from the get-go. Kring,Arkush and Hammer and few others headed up NBC’s “Crossing Jordan” for it’s first five seasons. The continuity issues were major. Some fans complained, via the chatrooms, the Powers At Be got defensive. The first thing that crossed my mind when I saw they were producing a sci-fi show…was that sci fi fans would not be as forgiving as the soccer mom set that watched the other show were. Heroes is good for season 4 but I’m not too sure about after that if the erosion doesn’t stop. Soccer moms can forgive a few 180 plot detail drops. Many did for Jordan’s 6 seasons. Sci fi fans are not so trusting. Continuity means everything. You lose that trust and it’s history.

Once you’ve cleaned house and hired the right writing staff, just reboot. Go back to Season 1 timeline and use a Hiro of the future to warn Hiro of something new. Just ignore seasons 2 and 3 all together.

The bleeding will never stop. This is one instance where quality and quantity (of viewers) are directly correlated. That’s not always the case in television, but it is here. The show took a nosedive in quality towards the end of the first season, and the ratings started dipping right there. The quality has continued to nosedive each week since, and so have the ratings.

The thing with sci-fi shows is that sci-fi fans tend to have higher standards. When those standards are not met, they tend to bail quickly and permanently.

It’s bleeding may stop eventually (although I doubt it), but it’s never going to go upwards. Never. DVD sales and demos and NBC’s weak ass schedule will keep it alive through next season, but I can’t believe past that. What’s odd is that Heroes has been awful now far longer than it ever was good, and yet people keeping thinking that will change, or that the ratings will somehow rebound for no reason.

“Dan (Writer) the rounds in the shotgun, our resident experts on that stuff are Ash Miller and Zack Stentz. They researched it and it’s a special round with a depleted uranium core. They actually exist”

Sad to see Cromartie go, he was rapidly becoming the most brutally honest character on the show. Cameron may start to once more take up that mantel though. haha…cracked me up as she “prepared” herself for going into John’s room for the talk. She may not be sociable but she certainly knows what superpowers to use for every occasion.

7 million for Heroes – thats beyond low!

and 4 million for My Own Worst Enemy – jeeez thats extremely low