That doesn’t mean Kring doesn’t prefer the 12 episode approach, but clearly season one was not written that way. season one was better than anything since, though that doesn’t necessarily mean its because of the 12 episode arc approach.

I thought last week’s episode actually contained a gliimer of hope –I thought the scene w/ Elle and Sylar was great. I dunno if it meant anything — but it shore was purty.

I swear, Peter needs to grow the emo bangs back. Ever since he cut them, the show has sucked . . . . .

I think the problem really is the writing. Coming up with stories for 12 episode arcs isn’t that big of a problem. Give that limit to some great story tellers and they will provide you with great stories.

It however doesn’t work with this crew. I’m not sure anything would work with this crew.

People can bash Bryan Fuller all they want, but the man understands story telling. I bash him myself. PD had too many soap opera stories going on. HEROES however is built for that. Each character should have a story going on (some characters may share a story). So since Fuller understands things like character development and continuity (two things Kring does not) he couldn’t be any worse.

Sure my opinion is subjective, but I can point to parts of Kring’s scripts since season one that you’re specifically taught not to do in film school. Kring has some bad habits.

That being said, he really seems being completely pissed because he doesn’t even want to mildly censorize himself in his forthcomings, it seems. It’s almost like he has let go and doesn’t care anymore.

Did he learn that in PR classes – how to be nice to people who keep your show on the air?

Aparently he liks to insult his fans. So when Heroes gets canceled he’s going to rant at the fans for that too? Nothing is his fault? It couldn’t be because the whole show has gotten so convoluted no one can keep any of it straight anymore?

Oh, I guess that’s because, according to him, I probably don’t watch TV correctly. *snerf*

Nice list there. I think that’s live viewers plus DVR watches… actually I’m pretty sure it is.

Lost

Season 1 Ave: 18.38
Season 2 Ave: 18.91 up 2.87%
Season 3 Ave: 13.74 down 27.31%
Season 4 Ave: 14.62 up 6.39%

From season 1 to season 3: down 25.22%
From Season 1 to Season 4: down 20.45%

Heroes

Season 1 Ave: 13.93
Season 2 Ave: 11.32 down 18.75%
Season 3 Ave: 8.67 down 23.43%

From season 1 to season 3: down 37.79%

I used wikipedia numbers, so this might not be accurate.

Heroes was compelling early on in season one and maybe has only one truly great episode to date (‘The Company’). Other than that, the series has been mediocre and at times laughable.

NBC needs to can the show after this season because it is not that good of a show to begin with and not profitable.

My heart goes out to those poor artists as they had to sit and watch this fool degrade their art form and story lines for 3 seasons.
Tim Kring got away with his theft because he’s white, the judge was white and everyone at NBC/GE is white. and that’s the truth.
Racism killed Heroes and now Tim Kring told all of you to your faces that you’re a dipshit for even watching the show and he’s right!!!
the joke is on you.
but soon the con will be over.

The only good thing about the demise of PD is that Bryan Fuller will go back to Heroes. I know he may not be able to fix it, but I have faith in him. He’s a fantastic writer.

I work in I/T where you have a group of guys more likely to watch shows like Heroes. Of the 5 of us who started with the very first episode, one dropped the show after the first episode this season, and another dropped it two weeks ago–and by “dropped” I mean deleting the “season pass” on the DVR.

My 60 year old parents called me after the first episode and said they couldn’t understand what was happening — who is good who is bad. They may not fit the prime demographics, but they do represent typical American viewers.

Heroes needs a make-over and it no longer sounds like Tim Kring is the guy to handle it.

I agree with previous commenter Lisa – this year’s pilot was my last Heroes episode. I’ve stopped watching “Lost” too, except to catch a glimpse of Desmond once in a while. It just got too convoluted to care anymore. I’m too lazy to devote that much mental energy into my TV escapism .

“Fringe” runs a similar risk of disjointed storytelling, although they err to the side of procedural and less serial, so thay may help pull it together.

All this talk about a great show that lost its way has been making me reminisce about “Twin Peaks” lately. That show was brilliant for a season and a half or so – then it just went berserk. If Kring had been at the helm of “Twin Peaks,” perhaps he would have said “The story isn’t bad…people are just too dumb to understand where it’s going now!”

LOST is GUARANTEED to end after Season 6. That got the end date, so they’re starting to conclude the show.

No it is not. It’s easy. Create your characters and figure out what stories you want to tell. IN THEIR ENTIRETY, START TO FINISH. DON’T MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG. Figure out what parts of what stories you’re going to tell in what episodes. Not in detail, just a two page summary will suffice. Again, DO THIS FOR ALL STORIES AND ALL EPISODES OVER THE LIFE OF THE SERIES. Then write the scripts for the episodes and film episodes over the course of several seasons.

His comments about DVRs and superior versus non-superior viewing don’t make any sense. It seems like Tim is a [expletive] [expletive] who wouldn’t know how to write an [expletive] [expletive] [expletive] if an [expletive] came along and [expletive] him in his [expletive].

I still like Heroes, it’s going somewhere. I think people who don’t are getting lazy and want an excuse to stop watching so they say “it just suck sucks sucks sucks sucks!”. I’m going to watch Heroes to the end and I hope it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger.

About Mr. Kring, nice going, now the show will die even faster.

But people forget that it’s not Kring that’s writing it. He just created it. Oh, and LOST is a lame excuse for a serial that will go on until people get tired of never having anything answered and quit the show. Hopefully that will be soon.

It happens all the time, and in the past there have been shows that have premiered to actually poor ratings that have then gone on to become actual #1 shows (Cheers, Seinfeld), or shows that have premiered to just decent ratings and gone on to become #1 shows (Friends, Raymond).

What has never happened, to my memory, is for a show to lose millions of viewers and then ever get them back. That hasn’t ever happened. You can start poor and build, but if you start huge and then drop off the table, you’ll never get back to where you were.

Of course, I never remember a show ever having as large a drop off in viewers as quickly as Heroes has had. It’s a quality issue, not a DVR or internet issue. When Heroes was drawing 15-17 million two years ago, it’s not like there were 50% fewer DVR’s in home back then, or 50% fewer people using the internet. Yet ratings are down 50% now, and Kring is blaming DVRs and the Net to cover his ass.

The show blows, and Kring knows he is going down as the guy who made the biggest F-up in modern TV history. He’ll get work again, because there are dumb people out there who will hire him just in the hope he can catch the magic again, but his career trajectory in general has been shortened considerably. And he’ll always be on a short leash from now on. Plus, his name is mud now with millions of genre fans. I wouldn’t even bother to check out a new Kring show now unless it had been on for at least a year and still had the greatest buzz in the world.

I’d say to keep him away from sharp instruments and clock towers.

This is sorry excuse for a columnist.

Lindeloff and Cuse, the show runners of LOST, would NEVER.. EVER say what he just said.