It’s worse than telling a 2 year old to SIT STILL !!!!

Joe, I didn’t tune in to the first episode of “Sarah Connor Chronicles.” However, I did read the comments about it on the net from people who did. Many of them hated it.

Speaking of which, do you ever read the Michael Ausiello blind items? He recently had one about this show (“War Declared Backstage at Cult Fave”). Apparently, Brian Austin Green can’t stand his love interest… the cast hates each other… they’re all crazy. I thought it was a bad blind item, because it was supposedly the product of a disgruntled, ex-crew member — and because it fit “Dirty Sexy Money” more (dysfunctional, unhappy set — thank goodness ABC made it so they don’t have to see each other anymore). But if there’s a lick of truth to it, the FOX execs have seen it. Hence, Friday night. And cancellation.

I was just repeating what Abrams himself said in the interview about “learning from past mistakes”.

I don’t care how many episodes he’s actually written for any of his shows. Fringe is HIS show and all I hope is that it doesn’t follow LOST’s example for juggling plot-balls.

Although The Mentalist is a new show, it fits well in the crime-procedural pigeonhole. Creatures of habit will like it too.

I’m really interested in how the public will react to the new TREK movie. I’ve seen a good bit of it and I’m on the fence.

all the writers pitch the story for each episode, even the exec’s do, therefore theres no telling how many episodes jj was involved in.

besides, the concept and formula of lost was HIS idea, so its HIS show.

I think its biggest problem is it’s up against the NBC line up and the NFL which share much of the same demo. Friday night theoretically could be better.

Also, you are not going to have a huge, key demo audience on Friday night TV. Teenagers, college kids, and young affluent that I know aren’t home.

I think I read that JJ Abrams said he “learned from his mistakes with LOST and Alias(?)” about the juggling too many balls in the air with plots. Which is good, because I had read that no opportunity for viewer growth (new viewers coming in) was LOST’s problem. And 24.

But I read that he plans to have some mythos underlying the whole thing, but most of the episodes will be more self containted.

I hope he sticks to that and doesn’t fall back into bad habits.

DWTS was up, which is good news for ABC, which I watch most. I dont really like CBS, and don’t watch ANY of the shows they watch. Maybe I am biased for not even giving an ounce of my programming to CBS, but I enjoy the shows that i watch.

I am glad ABC was up. Poor ES, it really is an awkward show, and I prefer SVU much more to ES…

I love Fringe. I also like Eleventh Hour, and while Chuck has been disappointing this season…I still DVR it. I’m very happy Fringe does well in the demos for Fox, and that it has House for a lead in. I happen to be a House fan as well. But saying that Fringe is only doing well because it has some good looking leads is wrong. If that were the case, all these other shows that made with the “pretty” in the actor department would still be on the air.

(I will *not* mention Moonlight.. will not mention Moonlight…*grin*)

Its the writing. Its the delivery. Its thse story lines, the plots, the CGI, its a whole lot of things. Why 11th Hour isn’t doing as well as CBD would like – has a lot to do with the fact that its ON CBS. If you don’t keep a certain rating/share on that network, you’re history!

And I don’t know why people keep asking what Fringe would do with T:SCC. That show is on another day, another time slot, and on the same network.

And AI being Fringe’s lead in in the spring is awesome. As long as my new favorite show of the season stays on, I don’t care who they give it for lead in. Well, except Prison Break. That show pulls the whole night down for ratings.

I wouldn’t go so far as to kill off agent Dunham, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Astrid (Jasika Nicole) take a higher-profile role in some of the eps. Jasika seems to have some good energy; Torv seems too pained at times.

in which demo?

I don’t think it has pulled a 2.6 all season

DSM was really good tonight!!!BTW

So… the whole hour?

Maybe you should read my arguement before replying to it. House doing well at 8 is irrelevant. Why? Because it would do better at 9! Just like NCIS! The Mentalist would do better at 9 than it would at 8. One of the reasons House has dropped this year is because it moved to 8. Stop being intentionally dense. I compared The Mentalist and NCIS. Please tell me where the hell I mentioned House and said nothing could get high demo ratings at 8. My whole point is shows can get worse ratings at 9 and pull in higher numbers because more people are watching TV then.

I’ll be waiting to see how you try to twist this post into something I didn’t say.

CSI isn’t going anywhere, definitely!

Finals for Eli Stone were 1.6/4 18-49

The figure I posted earlier was the first and second half hours of Eli just in the 18-49 adult demo.

I would say for CBS, EH is underperforming (it’s losing about 35% of it’s lead in). Harper’s Island I’m assuming will be put in the Friday 9pm slot. I can’t see it being the lead-out for CSI.

CBS’s development seems to be nonexistent at this point–I’ve heard about “Streets of San Francisco” being remade and a couple of new comedies, but that’s it. :/

TV is more subjective to bad directing than people think. There isn’t much time to do retakes, etc. The shooting schedule is much faster than a movie.

Oh, and I find Shelton hot regardless of her acting skillz so it’s not all negative!

I heart Marley Shelton, I think her acting is fine. As for Anna Torv, I thought she was fine in the pilot, but since I haven’t watched beyond, I can’t say if my opinion would hold.

I watched 3 eps of Chuck over the summer. It’s cute, but nothing more. As I said before, it’s She Spies without the underlying satire.

House still gets a better demo at 8pm will lower HUT numbers, thus you’re reasoning is invalid, get over it already.

Outlander, I don’t know why…

Oops. You’re not Outlander. Why are you replying to a thread not addressed to you?

As an off-topic note, kind-of. Hell, I really should start watching CHUCK at one point. I hear and read about it *so much* lately. Mustn’t be for nothing.

NA was the best new show of last season. Boo you.

For the definition of “hot”, and quite possibly TV’s most underrated actress (click the link), my vote goes to Yvonne Strahovski off of Chuck.

My reasoning is not invalid if you guys would analyse what I said correctly. I didn’t even mention House and somehow this disproves what I said about the Mentalist and NCIS? The Mentalist gets a lower rating among 18-49 year olds but more viewers in that demo because more people are watching TV then than when NCIS airs. You’re telling me that if The Mentalist aired before NCIS, its ratings in the demo and viewers in the demo would increase? That’s not logical reasoning at all. House took a hit in both categories because it moved to 8, and if it moved back to 9 both would increase.

And I suppose I fit the ‘demo-god JJ Abrams,’ category: I won’t stop watching FRINGE even though I can’t really stand Torv (which in itself is unfortunate because having an excellent female lead would give a lot more for the show in general.)