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	<title>Comments on: Thursday Ratings: &#039;30 Rock&#039; and &#039;ER&#039; hold up</title>
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		<title>By: bartez</title>
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		<dc:creator>bartez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we ever know what was the final ratings (live+7) for Smallville - 8x10 Bride from 20th of November? I can&#039;t found it anywhere :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we ever know what was the final ratings (live+7) for Smallville &#8211; 8&#215;10 Bride from 20th of November? I can&#8217;t found it anywhere :/</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Smallville!</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you imagine if there was an Internet in 1972?  People would&#039;ve whined about the facial expressions Carroll O&#039;Connor &quot;trademarked&quot; as Archie Bunker and we would&#039;ve been subjected to dopey comments like &quot;&quot;OMG, REDD FOXX!  Lose the whole &quot;Elizabeth, I&#039;m coming to join you!&quot; thing already -- it&#039;s old!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine if there was an Internet in 1972?  People would&#8217;ve whined about the facial expressions Carroll O&#8217;Connor &#8220;trademarked&#8221; as Archie Bunker and we would&#8217;ve been subjected to dopey comments like &#8220;&#8221;OMG, REDD FOXX!  Lose the whole &#8220;Elizabeth, I&#8217;m coming to join you!&#8221; thing already &#8212; it&#8217;s old!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmy awards for both the show itself and the actors. Positive reviews from darn near every critic alive. Yeah, 30 Rock is just awful. *rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmy awards for both the show itself and the actors. Positive reviews from darn near every critic alive. Yeah, 30 Rock is just awful. *rolls eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Desilu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a good ensemble comedy the characters are fully developed, and equally strong, unlike the paper mache supporting cast on 30 Rock.  Quantity does not make quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a good ensemble comedy the characters are fully developed, and equally strong, unlike the paper mache supporting cast on 30 Rock.  Quantity does not make quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Desilu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 Rock is surreal in the way of how bad it is, and how cliche ridden and jokey it is.  The Alec Baldwin Show with Tina Fey as the foil, Tracy Morgan as the edgy/jivey black guy (Venus Flytrap would kick his butt), Whatis his name as the virtuous page, and the Jane K as the dumb blonde...the people who like this show do so because they have been told by critics how hip and quirky they think the show is.  Arrested Developement it is not.  

Fey also needs to lose that mouth open shocked look bit that she has apparently trademarked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 Rock is surreal in the way of how bad it is, and how cliche ridden and jokey it is.  The Alec Baldwin Show with Tina Fey as the foil, Tracy Morgan as the edgy/jivey black guy (Venus Flytrap would kick his butt), Whatis his name as the virtuous page, and the Jane K as the dumb blonde&#8230;the people who like this show do so because they have been told by critics how hip and quirky they think the show is.  Arrested Developement it is not.  </p>
<p>Fey also needs to lose that mouth open shocked look bit that she has apparently trademarked.</p>
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		<title>By: GRD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fin, no hope of that -- the show sucks eggs. It would take several major miracles to make it anything that even vaguely resembled good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fin, no hope of that &#8212; the show sucks eggs. It would take several major miracles to make it anything that even vaguely resembled good.</p>
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		<title>By: Desilu</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/11/21/thursday-ratings-life-on-mars-and-eleventh-hour-drop-30-rock-and-er-hold-up/8570/comment-page-4/#comment-37118</link>
		<dc:creator>Desilu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 Rock&#039;s stunt casting is pathetic.  It is too bad that Fey did not allow the show to be an ensemble comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 Rock&#8217;s stunt casting is pathetic.  It is too bad that Fey did not allow the show to be an ensemble comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E.C. smallville is not in any trouble: its CW&#039;s top show. Or did you mean alive as in as good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.C. smallville is not in any trouble: its CW&#8217;s top show. Or did you mean alive as in as good?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kitchen Nightmares would be better if Freddy Kruger showed up walking around making comments about the food and slicing and dicing slacker employees and annoying customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitchen Nightmares would be better if Freddy Kruger showed up walking around making comments about the food and slicing and dicing slacker employees and annoying customers.</p>
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		<title>By: E.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smallville fans go to smallvilleimmortal.blogspot.com to learn how to keep Smallville alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smallville fans go to smallvilleimmortal.blogspot.com to learn how to keep Smallville alive.</p>
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		<title>By: YouTube&#8217;s Big Live Debut: Pretty Small &#124; Peter Kafka &#124; MediaMemo &#124; AllThingsD</title>
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		<dc:creator>YouTube&#8217;s Big Live Debut: Pretty Small &#124; Peter Kafka &#124; MediaMemo &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] draws many millions more: Last Thursday&#8217;s episode of CSI, for instance, garnered more than 18 million [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] draws many millions more: Last Thursday&#8217;s episode of CSI, for instance, garnered more than 18 million [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEROES is making money.  It&#039;s just not making as much money as it should be if things hadn&#039;t fallen apart.  HEROES isn&#039;t in trouble until they drop below a 3.0 in the demo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEROES is making money.  It&#8217;s just not making as much money as it should be if things hadn&#8217;t fallen apart.  HEROES isn&#8217;t in trouble until they drop below a 3.0 in the demo.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fin, I&#039;d be very reluctant to create an income statement for any particular show based on publicly available advertising rates and the conventional wisdom number for how much a show costs. Those publicly available ad rates are likely good for nothing more than relative comparisons between shows, and rough ones at that. As for how much an episode costs, assuming the conventional wisdom number of $4m/episode for Heroes is correct in some fashion, that could mean so many different things that trying to fit it into a &quot;is this show making money&quot; calculation isn&#039;t likely to be meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fin, I&#8217;d be very reluctant to create an income statement for any particular show based on publicly available advertising rates and the conventional wisdom number for how much a show costs. Those publicly available ad rates are likely good for nothing more than relative comparisons between shows, and rough ones at that. As for how much an episode costs, assuming the conventional wisdom number of $4m/episode for Heroes is correct in some fashion, that could mean so many different things that trying to fit it into a &#8220;is this show making money&#8221; calculation isn&#8217;t likely to be meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is incredibly random but people say Heroes i not making money but: 
an episode of Heroes costs: $4,000,000
A 30sec commercial on Heroes now costs: $198,379 
So there are 9 30sec commercials each commercial break: with like 4 of these so. 
$198,379 x 9 = $1,785,411
$1,785,411 x 4 = $7,141,644. 
So doesn&#039;t it make $3,141,644 profit an episode. Its already made back most of the cost for this falls season (13 episodes). With the cost of the 13 episodes being: 
$52,000,000 and the profit from the latest &#039;9&#039; episode being: 
$64,274,796. 
Thats already a $8,274,796 profit with the next episodes all being profit. So how is it loosing money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is incredibly random but people say Heroes i not making money but:<br />
an episode of Heroes costs: $4,000,000<br />
A 30sec commercial on Heroes now costs: $198,379<br />
So there are 9 30sec commercials each commercial break: with like 4 of these so.<br />
$198,379 x 9 = $1,785,411<br />
$1,785,411 x 4 = $7,141,644.<br />
So doesn&#8217;t it make $3,141,644 profit an episode. Its already made back most of the cost for this falls season (13 episodes). With the cost of the 13 episodes being:<br />
$52,000,000 and the profit from the latest &#8217;9&#8242; episode being:<br />
$64,274,796.<br />
Thats already a $8,274,796 profit with the next episodes all being profit. So how is it loosing money?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 Thumbs up for this season of Supernatural (extra thumb for show&#039;s motiff;-)My favorite part thus far this season was the Jensen Ackles one verse Music Video &quot;Eye of the Tiger&quot;. It was spontaneous in the fact it strayed from normal programming. It showed the real person behind the scenes and it was highly entertaining.  The show itself, with Dean being scared of everything was all over YouTube the next week. I wished they would feature a little piece at the end of each show..&quot;out-takes&quot; if you will. No one seems to be above the cookie board.  

 As for the announced goodbye for Eli Stone, ABC is pulling another Men In Trees.  ABC&#039;s programming people are a group of sightless coin tosser&#039;s who seem to have no ability to sense the pulse of American viewing. Eli Stone&#039;s heart, references to God, doing the right thing.....too much for the Ultra-libs of Disney-ABC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 Thumbs up for this season of Supernatural (extra thumb for show&#8217;s motiff;-)My favorite part thus far this season was the Jensen Ackles one verse Music Video &#8220;Eye of the Tiger&#8221;. It was spontaneous in the fact it strayed from normal programming. It showed the real person behind the scenes and it was highly entertaining.  The show itself, with Dean being scared of everything was all over YouTube the next week. I wished they would feature a little piece at the end of each show..&#8221;out-takes&#8221; if you will. No one seems to be above the cookie board.  </p>
<p> As for the announced goodbye for Eli Stone, ABC is pulling another Men In Trees.  ABC&#8217;s programming people are a group of sightless coin tosser&#8217;s who seem to have no ability to sense the pulse of American viewing. Eli Stone&#8217;s heart, references to God, doing the right thing&#8230;..too much for the Ultra-libs of Disney-ABC.</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Television shows that stunt cast turn me off. I used to watch How I Met Your Mother, up until Britney showed up on it.  I haven&#039;t watched it, nor do I have any desire to, since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Television shows that stunt cast turn me off. I used to watch How I Met Your Mother, up until Britney showed up on it.  I haven&#8217;t watched it, nor do I have any desire to, since.</p>
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		<title>By: Riff Rafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riff Rafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom, Steve McPherson had a hand in the development of &quot;Housewives,&quot; &quot;Lost&quot; and &quot;Grey&#039;s&quot; as former head of the formerly-named Touchstone Television. This is the first and last nice thing I&#039;m going to say about him, because he&#039;s a bad scheduler, a bad developer, and a bad network chief in general. Lyne was worse, granted. I still get douche chills when I think of the disaster that was ABC&#039;s Fall 2002 lineup. She should have been axed on the spot for unveiling that mess to advertisers. Half of the new shows were offensively bad and had no business being on the air, and -- with maybe one exception (&quot;8 Simple Rules&quot;) -- all of them were in the wrong time slots. It was like she was trying to destroy ABC. 

McPherson deserves pretty much all the credit for ABC&#039;s complete lack of half-hour sitcom hits. More than one person has told me that he&#039;s pretty much ruined all of them with his &quot;important&quot; notes -- which he gives at the very last minute and which conflict with all the other notes the execs below him have already given. The &quot;In the Motherhood&quot; webisodes were some of the funniest things I&#039;ve ever seen (and I&#039;m saying this as a bachelor, a dude, and a guy who can&#039;t stand kids). By the time he&#039;s done, expect every last funny thing about them to be meticulously stripped away and for the whole thing to stink worse than a load of dirty diapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom, Steve McPherson had a hand in the development of &#8220;Housewives,&#8221; &#8220;Lost&#8221; and &#8220;Grey&#8217;s&#8221; as former head of the formerly-named Touchstone Television. This is the first and last nice thing I&#8217;m going to say about him, because he&#8217;s a bad scheduler, a bad developer, and a bad network chief in general. Lyne was worse, granted. I still get douche chills when I think of the disaster that was ABC&#8217;s Fall 2002 lineup. She should have been axed on the spot for unveiling that mess to advertisers. Half of the new shows were offensively bad and had no business being on the air, and &#8212; with maybe one exception (&#8220;8 Simple Rules&#8221;) &#8212; all of them were in the wrong time slots. It was like she was trying to destroy ABC. </p>
<p>McPherson deserves pretty much all the credit for ABC&#8217;s complete lack of half-hour sitcom hits. More than one person has told me that he&#8217;s pretty much ruined all of them with his &#8220;important&#8221; notes &#8212; which he gives at the very last minute and which conflict with all the other notes the execs below him have already given. The &#8220;In the Motherhood&#8221; webisodes were some of the funniest things I&#8217;ve ever seen (and I&#8217;m saying this as a bachelor, a dude, and a guy who can&#8217;t stand kids). By the time he&#8217;s done, expect every last funny thing about them to be meticulously stripped away and for the whole thing to stink worse than a load of dirty diapers.</p>
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		<title>By: anima52</title>
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		<dc:creator>anima52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am enjoying Season 4 of Supernatural and I enjoyed the other 3 series as well.  I like the change from many monster of the week episodes to more of a focus on an underlying story arc (and fewer motw eps.)  The timing of this move in the 4th series is, I belive, an inspired one by Eric Kripke.

I hope that, during the hiatus, the CW airs selected repeats from the most recent 10 episodes, plus a couple of key episodes from past series that support the current story arc - wonder if they might do that?  (Although DVDs can help any potential viewers, who&#039;ve heard by word of mouth about the show, to catch up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying Season 4 of Supernatural and I enjoyed the other 3 series as well.  I like the change from many monster of the week episodes to more of a focus on an underlying story arc (and fewer motw eps.)  The timing of this move in the 4th series is, I belive, an inspired one by Eric Kripke.</p>
<p>I hope that, during the hiatus, the CW airs selected repeats from the most recent 10 episodes, plus a couple of key episodes from past series that support the current story arc &#8211; wonder if they might do that?  (Although DVDs can help any potential viewers, who&#8217;ve heard by word of mouth about the show, to catch up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big thanks to:

Fin- for that wonderful comment about Kath and Kim&#039;s ratings.  That one ( Kath &amp; Kim’s rating do not reflect the show. They’re not shit enough.)is a classic! LOL.

and to Tom   (thetruthhurts: stephen mcpherson’s percentage is really really bad. he was not the one in charge when all the hits came along. that was susan lyne i believe. she was responsible for housewives, lost, grey’s (developed by her and held till mis-season). (he did program grey’s after housewives which i give him credit for) even bachelor, extreme makeover, boston legal… and 20/20 and funniest videos have been around forever… all not his. everything else is. and everything else is pretty weak sans dancing, brothers and sisters and ugly betty. after 4 years he has very little to show for himself in terms of hits. unless i’m missing something. i actually like his attempts and shows that are different but nothing clicks.)  Those are interesting facts that I did not know.  McPherson probably fears that his biggest error was in signing so many Greg Berlanti dramas. None of them are that engaging to the average tv viewer. Truth be told, his shows are more likely to induce sleep. I think McPherson needs to plead with Mark Gordon and Jerry Bruckheimer productions for more shows. LOL. Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big thanks to:</p>
<p>Fin- for that wonderful comment about Kath and Kim&#8217;s ratings.  That one ( Kath &amp; Kim’s rating do not reflect the show. They’re not shit enough.)is a classic! LOL.</p>
<p>and to Tom   (thetruthhurts: stephen mcpherson’s percentage is really really bad. he was not the one in charge when all the hits came along. that was susan lyne i believe. she was responsible for housewives, lost, grey’s (developed by her and held till mis-season). (he did program grey’s after housewives which i give him credit for) even bachelor, extreme makeover, boston legal… and 20/20 and funniest videos have been around forever… all not his. everything else is. and everything else is pretty weak sans dancing, brothers and sisters and ugly betty. after 4 years he has very little to show for himself in terms of hits. unless i’m missing something. i actually like his attempts and shows that are different but nothing clicks.)  Those are interesting facts that I did not know.  McPherson probably fears that his biggest error was in signing so many Greg Berlanti dramas. None of them are that engaging to the average tv viewer. Truth be told, his shows are more likely to induce sleep. I think McPherson needs to plead with Mark Gordon and Jerry Bruckheimer productions for more shows. LOL. Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, assuming they can make the financial deal work that seems like a good idea for NBC. God knows as badly as they&#039;ve been doing they can hardly afford to let their #5 adults 18-49 scripted show get away from them without a fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, assuming they can make the financial deal work that seems like a good idea for NBC. God knows as badly as they&#8217;ve been doing they can hardly afford to let their #5 adults 18-49 scripted show get away from them without a fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a more recent article about ER and the possibility of a 16th season. It&#039;s the first answer on this Q&amp;A page, and was initially posted just yesterday:
http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2008/11/you-ask-i-ans-3.html

&quot;I&#039;m hearing that NBC execs are seriously considering a 16th season, though they&#039;ve touted this year as the final curtain for quite some time now. Insiders tell me the Peacock net is hoping to keep County General open for business, as ER continues to win its time slot each week. Word is, the suits and creatives are meeting in an effort to work something out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a more recent article about ER and the possibility of a 16th season. It&#8217;s the first answer on this Q&amp;A page, and was initially posted just yesterday:<br />
<a href="http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2008/11/you-ask-i-ans-3.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/2008/11/you-ask-i-ans-3.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m hearing that NBC execs are seriously considering a 16th season, though they&#8217;ve touted this year as the final curtain for quite some time now. Insiders tell me the Peacock net is hoping to keep County General open for business, as ER continues to win its time slot each week. Word is, the suits and creatives are meeting in an effort to work something out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why the heck is ABC all up on ‘Like on Mars’ low ratings when ‘Ugly Betty’ practically gets the same amount of viewers?&quot;

Sam, Ugly Betty doesn&#039;t have Grey&#039;s as its lead in... It doesn&#039;t have anything as a lead in. The fact that it can get the same amount of viewers as Life on Mars while not having any support from a show that airs before it is impressive. Or rather, it makes Life on Mars look quite unimpressive, seeing as how Grey&#039;s is such a powerhouse. Ugly Betty also almost always comes in 2nd in its timeslot and frequently comes in first in the 18-34 demo. Life on Mars can&#039;t do as well in comparison. Anyways.

FOX just needs a hug. The fact that a repeat of Kitchen Nightmares almost gets the same amount of viewers as a new episode is just... not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why the heck is ABC all up on ‘Like on Mars’ low ratings when ‘Ugly Betty’ practically gets the same amount of viewers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sam, Ugly Betty doesn&#8217;t have Grey&#8217;s as its lead in&#8230; It doesn&#8217;t have anything as a lead in. The fact that it can get the same amount of viewers as Life on Mars while not having any support from a show that airs before it is impressive. Or rather, it makes Life on Mars look quite unimpressive, seeing as how Grey&#8217;s is such a powerhouse. Ugly Betty also almost always comes in 2nd in its timeslot and frequently comes in first in the 18-34 demo. Life on Mars can&#8217;t do as well in comparison. Anyways.</p>
<p>FOX just needs a hug. The fact that a repeat of Kitchen Nightmares almost gets the same amount of viewers as a new episode is just&#8230; not good.</p>
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		<title>By: Theoacme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theoacme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Andrea says:  So…is there any way NBC can “uncancel” ER?&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe not for an entire season, but James Hibbert is reporting NBC may ask Warner Brothers for three more episodes this season, to bring the total order to 22 episodes:  http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/nbc-considering.html

And I&#039;m praying Robert is correct about &quot;when there&#039;s a will (and the numbers)...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Andrea says:  So…is there any way NBC can “uncancel” ER?</i></p>
<p>Maybe not for an entire season, but James Hibbert is reporting NBC may ask Warner Brothers for three more episodes this season, to bring the total order to 22 episodes:  <a href="http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/nbc-considering.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/nbc-considering.html</a></p>
<p>And I&#8217;m praying Robert is correct about &#8220;when there&#8217;s a will (and the numbers)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously hope ER does not go to another season. I still like the show, but it needs to leave with some dignity. Dragging it out is not the way to do it. The best episodes this season have been the ones where old favorites returned. The episodes without those characters have not been that good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously hope ER does not go to another season. I still like the show, but it needs to leave with some dignity. Dragging it out is not the way to do it. The best episodes this season have been the ones where old favorites returned. The episodes without those characters have not been that good.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaisesDeathKnell, 

I agree, it&#039;s up to the viewer to decide what they they think is good or bad. What do people mean by &#039;better&#039;? It&#039;s tough to define. But honestly, I mean, there&#039;s a reason why 30 Rock AND Office win most of the various television comedy awards out there, right? They&#039;re miles ahead of the competition. 

Is it okay that I love both, but prefer The Office? I think so. That show&#039;s just grown on me more. And I like their style better. 

I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever know why 30 rock doesn&#039;t do that well in the ratings. I do have a theory that the show doesn&#039;t have an emotional connection with viewers which nearly all successful shows do. But hey, as long as my fav comedies are on the air, I&#039;m gonna keep watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaisesDeathKnell, </p>
<p>I agree, it&#8217;s up to the viewer to decide what they they think is good or bad. What do people mean by &#8216;better&#8217;? It&#8217;s tough to define. But honestly, I mean, there&#8217;s a reason why 30 Rock AND Office win most of the various television comedy awards out there, right? They&#8217;re miles ahead of the competition. </p>
<p>Is it okay that I love both, but prefer The Office? I think so. That show&#8217;s just grown on me more. And I like their style better. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever know why 30 rock doesn&#8217;t do that well in the ratings. I do have a theory that the show doesn&#8217;t have an emotional connection with viewers which nearly all successful shows do. But hey, as long as my fav comedies are on the air, I&#8217;m gonna keep watching.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about Kath and Kim is that from my perspective, I see very little room for improvement if it gets a second season. I know, I know....usually the second season is when bad comedies turn into something great, but I haven&#039;t seen something as bad as K/K before. Maybe NBC doesn&#039;t have another comedy in the works? They should get cracking at it, because it&#039;s really dragging down that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Kath and Kim is that from my perspective, I see very little room for improvement if it gets a second season. I know, I know&#8230;.usually the second season is when bad comedies turn into something great, but I haven&#8217;t seen something as bad as K/K before. Maybe NBC doesn&#8217;t have another comedy in the works? They should get cracking at it, because it&#8217;s really dragging down that night.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fin,

Speaking as a fan of both, I didn&#039;t think NBC&#039;s OFFICE would even be half as good as BBC&#039;s OFFICE. But they somehow made it their own. Stayed true to its British roots, yet changed it enough to give it a sense of familiarity to Americans who are accustomed to the traditional sitcom. I&#039;m glad they made it different. 

Sure, people may say it&#039;s not as good as the UK version, and I would tend to agree, but it actually does some things better than its predecessor. One thing I always wonder is, &quot;How would people judge the US version if the UK version didn&#039;t exist?&quot; Many, many people probably can&#039;t answer that. 

As for Kath and Kim, NBC needs to find a better show to put in that slot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fin,</p>
<p>Speaking as a fan of both, I didn&#8217;t think NBC&#8217;s OFFICE would even be half as good as BBC&#8217;s OFFICE. But they somehow made it their own. Stayed true to its British roots, yet changed it enough to give it a sense of familiarity to Americans who are accustomed to the traditional sitcom. I&#8217;m glad they made it different. </p>
<p>Sure, people may say it&#8217;s not as good as the UK version, and I would tend to agree, but it actually does some things better than its predecessor. One thing I always wonder is, &#8220;How would people judge the US version if the UK version didn&#8217;t exist?&#8221; Many, many people probably can&#8217;t answer that. </p>
<p>As for Kath and Kim, NBC needs to find a better show to put in that slot.</p>
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		<title>By: Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta say i was never mad about the Office (US): I don&#039;t think its as good as the UK version. Kath &amp; Kim&#039;s rating do not reflect the show. They&#039;re not shit enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta say i was never mad about the Office (US): I don&#8217;t think its as good as the UK version. Kath &amp; Kim&#8217;s rating do not reflect the show. They&#8217;re not shit enough.</p>
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		<title>By: kkn</title>
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		<dc:creator>kkn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved yesterday&#039;s ep of Supernatural and I hope that it won&#039;t drop too much in the final numbers. It deserves great ratings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved yesterday&#8217;s ep of Supernatural and I hope that it won&#8217;t drop too much in the final numbers. It deserves great ratings!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 Rock had Oprah, then Jennifer Anniston, then Steve Martin.  That is all stunt casting.  I think we&#039;ve witnessed the Sarah Palin/Fey affect in addition to stunt casting.  The question is will it work or will ratings start falling?  I was more amused by the Night Court reunion aspect than the Jennifer Anniston part of last week&#039;s show.  Steve Martin was frighteningly not good as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 Rock had Oprah, then Jennifer Anniston, then Steve Martin.  That is all stunt casting.  I think we&#8217;ve witnessed the Sarah Palin/Fey affect in addition to stunt casting.  The question is will it work or will ratings start falling?  I was more amused by the Night Court reunion aspect than the Jennifer Anniston part of last week&#8217;s show.  Steve Martin was frighteningly not good as well.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisiesDeathKnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaisiesDeathKnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy, quit trying to objectively state that The Office is better than 30 Rock. It&#039;s all down to the viewer. And frankly, television critics &amp; Emmy voters seem to think 30 Rock is a better series, myself included. It does worse in the ratings because it&#039;s more akin to an Arrested Development-style series with lots of in jokes &amp; very, very surreal humor. It&#039;s unquestionably a more orginal series than The Office and doesn&#039;t fall back on the same sort of jokes as often. Does that make it better? That&#039;s up for you to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy, quit trying to objectively state that The Office is better than 30 Rock. It&#8217;s all down to the viewer. And frankly, television critics &amp; Emmy voters seem to think 30 Rock is a better series, myself included. It does worse in the ratings because it&#8217;s more akin to an Arrested Development-style series with lots of in jokes &amp; very, very surreal humor. It&#8217;s unquestionably a more orginal series than The Office and doesn&#8217;t fall back on the same sort of jokes as often. Does that make it better? That&#8217;s up for you to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vader, the numbers would likely be identical to what they are now.  

We each think we&#039;re right, but neither one of us can prove our cases</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vader, the numbers would likely be identical to what they are now.  </p>
<p>We each think we&#8217;re right, but neither one of us can prove our cases</p>
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		<title>By: Vader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, if Kitchen Nightmares and Terminator switched timeslots, Kitchen Nightmares would likely die and Terminator would likely improve. The early Thursday night timeslot is entirely more favorable than the early Monday night one. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s a valid comparison at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, if Kitchen Nightmares and Terminator switched timeslots, Kitchen Nightmares would likely die and Terminator would likely improve. The early Thursday night timeslot is entirely more favorable than the early Monday night one. I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s a valid comparison at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas06</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smallville is doing great for season 8... Bride wasn&#039;t as entertaining as i was expecting but the ratings are still up there... The Legion episode Jan 15th will b a good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smallville is doing great for season 8&#8230; Bride wasn&#8217;t as entertaining as i was expecting but the ratings are still up there&#8230; The Legion episode Jan 15th will b a good one!</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy for the Winchester brothers, the show is getting better and better, I just simply love it...(greetings from Hungary)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy for the Winchester brothers, the show is getting better and better, I just simply love it&#8230;(greetings from Hungary)</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if Chuck got hurt at all in the ratings do to it being dumped that one week just so NBC could air Deal or No Deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if Chuck got hurt at all in the ratings do to it being dumped that one week just so NBC could air Deal or No Deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Kitchen Nightmares is simple.  Once you have seen one episode, you have seen them all.  They are all pretty much the same. Sure, the restaurant owners change, but for the most part the show is absolutely predictable from one episode to the next segment to segment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Kitchen Nightmares is simple.  Once you have seen one episode, you have seen them all.  They are all pretty much the same. Sure, the restaurant owners change, but for the most part the show is absolutely predictable from one episode to the next segment to segment.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ thetruthhurts:  stephen mcpherson&#039;s percentage is really really bad. he was not the one in charge when all the hits came along. that was susan lyne i believe.  she was responsible for housewives, lost, grey&#039;s (developed by her and held till mis-season). (he did program grey&#039;s after housewives which i give him credit for) even bachelor, extreme makeover, boston legal... and 20/20 and funniest videos have been around forever... all not his.   everything else is.  and everything else is pretty weak sans dancing, brothers and sisters and ugly betty. after 4 years he has very little to show for himself in terms of hits. unless i&#039;m missing something. i actually like his attempts and shows that are different but nothing clicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ thetruthhurts:  stephen mcpherson&#8217;s percentage is really really bad. he was not the one in charge when all the hits came along. that was susan lyne i believe.  she was responsible for housewives, lost, grey&#8217;s (developed by her and held till mis-season). (he did program grey&#8217;s after housewives which i give him credit for) even bachelor, extreme makeover, boston legal&#8230; and 20/20 and funniest videos have been around forever&#8230; all not his.   everything else is.  and everything else is pretty weak sans dancing, brothers and sisters and ugly betty. after 4 years he has very little to show for himself in terms of hits. unless i&#8217;m missing something. i actually like his attempts and shows that are different but nothing clicks.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have high hopes that Chuck is going to bounce even higher in the numbers come next Monday.  Hopefully a move is not necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have high hopes that Chuck is going to bounce even higher in the numbers come next Monday.  Hopefully a move is not necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: moonlightfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonlightfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did anybody else know, Arrested Development getting movie deal?

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/index.html

I am really happy for him. So exciting when a good TV show gets a movie deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did anybody else know, Arrested Development getting movie deal?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/index.html</a></p>
<p>I am really happy for him. So exciting when a good TV show gets a movie deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supernatural has been stellar this season, with the exception of last night&#039;s episode, which was fairly ridiculous. I just hope it won&#039;t drop too much in the final ratings, because I&#039;m desperate for a fifth season to happen.

The Office is still struggling in the plot area; last night&#039;s episode was mediocre at best. Kath and Kim is so desperately horrible that I cannot see it ever improving or becoming a sleeper hit for NBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supernatural has been stellar this season, with the exception of last night&#8217;s episode, which was fairly ridiculous. I just hope it won&#8217;t drop too much in the final ratings, because I&#8217;m desperate for a fifth season to happen.</p>
<p>The Office is still struggling in the plot area; last night&#8217;s episode was mediocre at best. Kath and Kim is so desperately horrible that I cannot see it ever improving or becoming a sleeper hit for NBC.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTruthHurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTruthHurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen McPherson at ABC...uhh dirty sexy money, pushing daisies, eli stone...gee what happened pal? got your finger right on the pulse of what the average slob wants to watch on tv huh...when these execs score a hit..its the percentages...nothing more....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen McPherson at ABC&#8230;uhh dirty sexy money, pushing daisies, eli stone&#8230;gee what happened pal? got your finger right on the pulse of what the average slob wants to watch on tv huh&#8230;when these execs score a hit..its the percentages&#8230;nothing more&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also of the opinion that this has been a great season of Supernatural.  I know of several people who have started watching it just because they love the Angels vs. Demons theme.  It has however been more serialized this season than in past years.  I have read other boards where people have said they miss the stand alone episodes. Now that the theme has been set, I&#039;ll bet there will be more self contained episodes in the second half of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also of the opinion that this has been a great season of Supernatural.  I know of several people who have started watching it just because they love the Angels vs. Demons theme.  It has however been more serialized this season than in past years.  I have read other boards where people have said they miss the stand alone episodes. Now that the theme has been set, I&#8217;ll bet there will be more self contained episodes in the second half of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LBColby,

I agree.  There is no way that Lost will have as many viewers as GA does, but I also think that LoM will hold alot more of Lost audience than it does of GA.

Robert,

Thanks for the link to the final #&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBColby,</p>
<p>I agree.  There is no way that Lost will have as many viewers as GA does, but I also think that LoM will hold alot more of Lost audience than it does of GA.</p>
<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the final #&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best hour of comedy today: NBC Thursdays 9-10. OFFICE and then 30 ROCK.

I think it comes down to whether or not 30 ROCK can sustain OFFICE&#039;s audience the rest of the season. It shouldn&#039;t be too difficult, considering both shows have a similar audience. I thought it always lagged coming after EARL. With all the buzz around 30 ROCK this year, if it doesn&#039;t get the ratings it should the rest of the season, I&#039;m not sure if it ever will. Damn, it&#039;s good this show is on train-wrecked NBC. Or else, who knows its fate would have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best hour of comedy today: NBC Thursdays 9-10. OFFICE and then 30 ROCK.</p>
<p>I think it comes down to whether or not 30 ROCK can sustain OFFICE&#8217;s audience the rest of the season. It shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult, considering both shows have a similar audience. I thought it always lagged coming after EARL. With all the buzz around 30 ROCK this year, if it doesn&#8217;t get the ratings it should the rest of the season, I&#8217;m not sure if it ever will. Damn, it&#8217;s good this show is on train-wrecked NBC. Or else, who knows its fate would have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Strahotski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strahotski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Chuck stays on Monday night for the rest of this season and if the ratings aren&#039;t up (with the boost of the heavily-advertise 3D episode) they&#039;ll probably move it to Thursday at 8pm. NBC will move Chuck to a new night before they cancel it.

As for guest stars on 30 Rock, they are just doing whatever necessary to get viewers. HIMYM did it last season by stunt-casting Britney Spears and the show&#039;s ratings has improve a lot since--especially this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Chuck stays on Monday night for the rest of this season and if the ratings aren&#8217;t up (with the boost of the heavily-advertise 3D episode) they&#8217;ll probably move it to Thursday at 8pm. NBC will move Chuck to a new night before they cancel it.</p>
<p>As for guest stars on 30 Rock, they are just doing whatever necessary to get viewers. HIMYM did it last season by stunt-casting Britney Spears and the show&#8217;s ratings has improve a lot since&#8211;especially this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC was smart (for once) to put 30 Rock after The Office. Similar audience, strong lead-in. Let&#039;s see if it can hold up until May</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC was smart (for once) to put 30 Rock after The Office. Similar audience, strong lead-in. Let&#8217;s see if it can hold up until May</p>
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