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		<title>By: KellyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No PD episode on Jan. 7.  ABC is airing some environmental special that night.

There is chatter brewing that the three cancelled shows will end their runs on Saturdays in January, as ABC won&#039;t have college football anymore.  Sounds about right, and shows respect for the fans and creators of the shows.  That&#039;s what ABC should do, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No PD episode on Jan. 7.  ABC is airing some environmental special that night.</p>
<p>There is chatter brewing that the three cancelled shows will end their runs on Saturdays in January, as ABC won&#8217;t have college football anymore.  Sounds about right, and shows respect for the fans and creators of the shows.  That&#8217;s what ABC should do, really.</p>
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		<title>By: KellyH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really isn&#039;t ABC&#039;s fault, guys.  I understood that there was a gentlemen&#039;s agreement between McPherson and Fuller/Sonnefeld that all the episodes would air.  Any chance ABC would burn one off on Christmas Eve?  That and Jan. 7 (New Year&#039;s Eve is out because of Rockin&#039; Eve) would leave only one unaired episode, and I can&#039;t imagine ABC would show Barry and Bryan that much disrespect not to air it on some Friday somewhere, like NBC did with Journeyman (last episode aird on Wednesday, all others on Monday.

Blaming the ratings for the last two episodes as a justification for not airing the rest is kind of stupid.  When word gets out that a show has been cancelled, fan campaigns (except for the truly delusional and obsessive) tend to wane and drives to increase viewership decrease.  Not to mention the holidays.

I really think the ultimate blame for Daisies&#039; failure lies with the writers&#039; strike (and Bryan Fuller, FYI, supported that glorious idea).  The ratings for Season 1 generally did drop, but they remained steadily over 7 Mil.  The penultimate episode, airing an hour later, went up to over 10 Mil.  The last episode, which aired deep in December, did drop significantly, to just over 6 mil., but that&#039;s still better than any episode this season, and by that time, the rotten taste of the writers&#039; strike was already festering in everyone&#039;s mouth.

I find it rather laughable that some pundits say a second season wouldn&#039;t have happened without the strike.  That&#039;s just a ridiculous comment.  You can&#039;t use the numbers for one episode in December to make that assumption.  ABC has already greenlit a full 22-episode season, which would have happened without the strike.  I&#039;m guessing the numbers would have taken a hit when American Idol premiered, but even if it is true that ABC wouldn&#039;t have given it a second season without the strike, saying that fans should be grateful because of that is an insulting slap in the face because the end result is the same--22 episodes.

I know that this site is not about show quality, but Kristin&#039;s solo on &quot;Eternal Flame&quot; was gorgeous and is already getting many YouTube hits.

I&#039;m not into blaming ABC.  Blame Disney if you must.  The cancellation went higher up than Steve McPherson, who was always a fan.  The writers&#039; strike was the number one, most significant culprit in  Daisies&#039; demise.

And Nick C, totally disagree with you on Anna Friel.  Woman is smokin&#039; hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really isn&#8217;t ABC&#8217;s fault, guys.  I understood that there was a gentlemen&#8217;s agreement between McPherson and Fuller/Sonnefeld that all the episodes would air.  Any chance ABC would burn one off on Christmas Eve?  That and Jan. 7 (New Year&#8217;s Eve is out because of Rockin&#8217; Eve) would leave only one unaired episode, and I can&#8217;t imagine ABC would show Barry and Bryan that much disrespect not to air it on some Friday somewhere, like NBC did with Journeyman (last episode aird on Wednesday, all others on Monday.</p>
<p>Blaming the ratings for the last two episodes as a justification for not airing the rest is kind of stupid.  When word gets out that a show has been cancelled, fan campaigns (except for the truly delusional and obsessive) tend to wane and drives to increase viewership decrease.  Not to mention the holidays.</p>
<p>I really think the ultimate blame for Daisies&#8217; failure lies with the writers&#8217; strike (and Bryan Fuller, FYI, supported that glorious idea).  The ratings for Season 1 generally did drop, but they remained steadily over 7 Mil.  The penultimate episode, airing an hour later, went up to over 10 Mil.  The last episode, which aired deep in December, did drop significantly, to just over 6 mil., but that&#8217;s still better than any episode this season, and by that time, the rotten taste of the writers&#8217; strike was already festering in everyone&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p>I find it rather laughable that some pundits say a second season wouldn&#8217;t have happened without the strike.  That&#8217;s just a ridiculous comment.  You can&#8217;t use the numbers for one episode in December to make that assumption.  ABC has already greenlit a full 22-episode season, which would have happened without the strike.  I&#8217;m guessing the numbers would have taken a hit when American Idol premiered, but even if it is true that ABC wouldn&#8217;t have given it a second season without the strike, saying that fans should be grateful because of that is an insulting slap in the face because the end result is the same&#8211;22 episodes.</p>
<p>I know that this site is not about show quality, but Kristin&#8217;s solo on &#8220;Eternal Flame&#8221; was gorgeous and is already getting many YouTube hits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not into blaming ABC.  Blame Disney if you must.  The cancellation went higher up than Steve McPherson, who was always a fan.  The writers&#8217; strike was the number one, most significant culprit in  Daisies&#8217; demise.</p>
<p>And Nick C, totally disagree with you on Anna Friel.  Woman is smokin&#8217; hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC - Nothing But Crap.   The Office is about the only thing I still watch with any enthusiasm; even that is getting a bit long in the tooth.  Heroes? Still watch it for reasons Im not entirely sure of because its been spinning its wheels all season long. ER - still watch it just because its FINALLY ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC &#8211; Nothing But Crap.   The Office is about the only thing I still watch with any enthusiasm; even that is getting a bit long in the tooth.  Heroes? Still watch it for reasons Im not entirely sure of because its been spinning its wheels all season long. ER &#8211; still watch it just because its FINALLY ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor NBC. They finally win a total viewers rating (without sports or politics) and the best they can muster is 3rd in either demo. I do hope they keep airing Life. It is a quality show and just needs a home that is not against competition which gives it no chance. Plus, what are they going to replace it with? Their cupboard is not exactly filled with winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor NBC. They finally win a total viewers rating (without sports or politics) and the best they can muster is 3rd in either demo. I do hope they keep airing Life. It is a quality show and just needs a home that is not against competition which gives it no chance. Plus, what are they going to replace it with? Their cupboard is not exactly filled with winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens with Life should determine whether Silverman stays or goes (well, actually, Silverman should just go, but I&#039;m giving him another chance if he can pull this off).  

I just watched the latest episode, and this show has hit written all over it.  I like the show, but I don&#039;t love it.  It&#039;s good, but it&#039;s not great.   What it is, however, is a fine procedural with excellent acting and a decent amount of wit.  It also has managed to be the first show I&#039;ve seen that could mix in a serial element without it overwhelming the show.

Like I said, it&#039;s good, not great, but if NBC could lure the eyeballs to the tube for it a few times, people will stick around.  There is nothing about this show that would preclude it from attracting the same people who watch NCIS or Bones or half a dozen other procedurals, and yet it also can manage to get on with people who like a little bit of serial with their milk.  

I don&#039;t know if this one good night will mean it can hold its own against the established hits around it going forward (I would suspect not, at least without help), but if NBC had half a brain, they would find a slot that works for this show.  Again, not because I lurve it (I don&#039;t), but because it&#039;s exactly the type of show that is currently popular everywhere else.  NBC has finally found exactly the type of show that&#039;s working like gangbusters for CBS, and now it&#039;s up to them to give it, ahem, life.  While the first season wasn&#039;t quite as easygoing and may have hurt the show on its own, now the show is rolling and only a completely inept network would not be able to find a way to program this sucker into at least a modest hit.  It may take another year of playing in a stable timeslot with a solid lead-in, but there is no way this show can be compared to PD, Eli Stone, DSM, or any of the other oddball shows that died on the vine this past year or so.  Those shows killed themselves by not being attractive to the majority.  Life, however, will only die because NBC couldn&#039;t get the majority to sample it.

And, yeah, I do have a man crush on Damien Lewis, but again this sucker is in no way my favorite show.  I even liked it better last season when it was weirder and more serial flavored.  But it&#039;s still good now, and it&#039;s definitely more a fit with the mainstream than it ever was, or than any of these other bubble shows ever could be.

So the ball is in your court, Ben.  Going to hit it back, or fall on your ass flailing away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens with Life should determine whether Silverman stays or goes (well, actually, Silverman should just go, but I&#8217;m giving him another chance if he can pull this off).  </p>
<p>I just watched the latest episode, and this show has hit written all over it.  I like the show, but I don&#8217;t love it.  It&#8217;s good, but it&#8217;s not great.   What it is, however, is a fine procedural with excellent acting and a decent amount of wit.  It also has managed to be the first show I&#8217;ve seen that could mix in a serial element without it overwhelming the show.</p>
<p>Like I said, it&#8217;s good, not great, but if NBC could lure the eyeballs to the tube for it a few times, people will stick around.  There is nothing about this show that would preclude it from attracting the same people who watch NCIS or Bones or half a dozen other procedurals, and yet it also can manage to get on with people who like a little bit of serial with their milk.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this one good night will mean it can hold its own against the established hits around it going forward (I would suspect not, at least without help), but if NBC had half a brain, they would find a slot that works for this show.  Again, not because I lurve it (I don&#8217;t), but because it&#8217;s exactly the type of show that is currently popular everywhere else.  NBC has finally found exactly the type of show that&#8217;s working like gangbusters for CBS, and now it&#8217;s up to them to give it, ahem, life.  While the first season wasn&#8217;t quite as easygoing and may have hurt the show on its own, now the show is rolling and only a completely inept network would not be able to find a way to program this sucker into at least a modest hit.  It may take another year of playing in a stable timeslot with a solid lead-in, but there is no way this show can be compared to PD, Eli Stone, DSM, or any of the other oddball shows that died on the vine this past year or so.  Those shows killed themselves by not being attractive to the majority.  Life, however, will only die because NBC couldn&#8217;t get the majority to sample it.</p>
<p>And, yeah, I do have a man crush on Damien Lewis, but again this sucker is in no way my favorite show.  I even liked it better last season when it was weirder and more serial flavored.  But it&#8217;s still good now, and it&#8217;s definitely more a fit with the mainstream than it ever was, or than any of these other bubble shows ever could be.</p>
<p>So the ball is in your court, Ben.  Going to hit it back, or fall on your ass flailing away?</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see Life&#039;s numbers up so much!  There is hope yet for one of my favorite shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see Life&#8217;s numbers up so much!  There is hope yet for one of my favorite shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC has its share of guilt when it comes to Pushing Daisies, yes. They did give it a chance, advertised in the beginning but several things they did, they could have done better. The previews weren&#039;t made to be catchy. Say what you may, this season is far superior in episode quality than the first ever was. The first season had a couple of interesting episodes, others sort of put me to sleep even though I still kept going back for more. This season started off slow but it has picked up quickly and each week, the episode aired is better than the previous one. Previews for episodes should reflect that.

Also, previews should be showed after shows with high ratings. Put a PD preview after Eli Stone ONLY? How is that going to work when Eli Stone is also a cancelled show with low viewing ratings? The rumours for canceling the show started earlier in the season. I had friends say they did not tune in to Pushing Daisies the week after the two-week break ABC put the show through, because there was virtually no advertising and they assumed the show had already been cancelled. Or was simply not being shown that week, either. If ABC truly wanted the ratings to go up, it would have done its part. It didn&#039;t. 

Yes, I agree the show isn&#039;t made for everyone. It&#039;s quirky and different. But the fact that it at least has consistent ratings every week even if lower than what they would want, should show the network that it has followers, and faithful ones. The writer&#039;s strike took its toll, nine episodes is hardly enough for one to get acquainted with characters and want to follow in their footsteps. But what about summer reruns? These could have been used to gain new viewers and maintain the ones already captivated by refreshing their memories after such a long break in the series. 

Pushing Daisies is a true loss for television. Whether you liked it or not, it at least provided us with variety and out of the ordinary writing. If only WB would attempt a deal with a different network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC has its share of guilt when it comes to Pushing Daisies, yes. They did give it a chance, advertised in the beginning but several things they did, they could have done better. The previews weren&#8217;t made to be catchy. Say what you may, this season is far superior in episode quality than the first ever was. The first season had a couple of interesting episodes, others sort of put me to sleep even though I still kept going back for more. This season started off slow but it has picked up quickly and each week, the episode aired is better than the previous one. Previews for episodes should reflect that.</p>
<p>Also, previews should be showed after shows with high ratings. Put a PD preview after Eli Stone ONLY? How is that going to work when Eli Stone is also a cancelled show with low viewing ratings? The rumours for canceling the show started earlier in the season. I had friends say they did not tune in to Pushing Daisies the week after the two-week break ABC put the show through, because there was virtually no advertising and they assumed the show had already been cancelled. Or was simply not being shown that week, either. If ABC truly wanted the ratings to go up, it would have done its part. It didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Yes, I agree the show isn&#8217;t made for everyone. It&#8217;s quirky and different. But the fact that it at least has consistent ratings every week even if lower than what they would want, should show the network that it has followers, and faithful ones. The writer&#8217;s strike took its toll, nine episodes is hardly enough for one to get acquainted with characters and want to follow in their footsteps. But what about summer reruns? These could have been used to gain new viewers and maintain the ones already captivated by refreshing their memories after such a long break in the series. </p>
<p>Pushing Daisies is a true loss for television. Whether you liked it or not, it at least provided us with variety and out of the ordinary writing. If only WB would attempt a deal with a different network.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do agree that PD is a great show, but its ratings are awful...I think it would do much better on a cable network. The show does not appeal to all types of people. Shows such as Desperate Housewives which is still averaging 17.4 million viewers in its 5th season appeals to a wide range of people. PD was never that popular to begin with. It was not a monster success like Grey&#039;s, CSI, Housewives, or even Dancing With the Stars. So people should feel lucky that PD even made it to a second season. 

There were other good ABC shows that were not given the chance. Cashmere Mafia was one of them. Sure it was a New York version of Desperate Housewives (I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS A SEX AND THE CITY REMAKE) the characters all matched Susan, Gaby, lynette and Bree, but it did not get a second chance. The show was okay at first but it was gradually getting better. The writing was better and the women were connecting. Then it got canceled. My point is it would have done well if they would have saved it and put it behind Desperate Housewives on Sunday nights. So be greatful PD at least got a second chance. 

Private Practice is going to jump in the ratings when it is put behind Greys Anatomy come January. It will probably start averaging 9-11 million viewers again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do agree that PD is a great show, but its ratings are awful&#8230;I think it would do much better on a cable network. The show does not appeal to all types of people. Shows such as Desperate Housewives which is still averaging 17.4 million viewers in its 5th season appeals to a wide range of people. PD was never that popular to begin with. It was not a monster success like Grey&#8217;s, CSI, Housewives, or even Dancing With the Stars. So people should feel lucky that PD even made it to a second season. </p>
<p>There were other good ABC shows that were not given the chance. Cashmere Mafia was one of them. Sure it was a New York version of Desperate Housewives (I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS A SEX AND THE CITY REMAKE) the characters all matched Susan, Gaby, lynette and Bree, but it did not get a second chance. The show was okay at first but it was gradually getting better. The writing was better and the women were connecting. Then it got canceled. My point is it would have done well if they would have saved it and put it behind Desperate Housewives on Sunday nights. So be greatful PD at least got a second chance. </p>
<p>Private Practice is going to jump in the ratings when it is put behind Greys Anatomy come January. It will probably start averaging 9-11 million viewers again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC is to blame. Say whatever you want to say.
Wednesday nights at ABC is dead. I think they should leave Wed. shows alone, its a mistake to cancel shows without trying a diff. time slot.
PD isnt a failed series after all anyways. Most shows dont get a second season. At least it has 22 episodes total. It will finish without boring anyone like those shows who bores you to death for LONG LONG seasons like Greys Anatomy.
PD wont lose its magic. We&#039;ll remember it by forever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC is to blame. Say whatever you want to say.<br />
Wednesday nights at ABC is dead. I think they should leave Wed. shows alone, its a mistake to cancel shows without trying a diff. time slot.<br />
PD isnt a failed series after all anyways. Most shows dont get a second season. At least it has 22 episodes total. It will finish without boring anyone like those shows who bores you to death for LONG LONG seasons like Greys Anatomy.<br />
PD wont lose its magic. We&#8217;ll remember it by forever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRD, ABC announced awhile ago that on January 21st, they would show a one hour recap of the first four seasons and the first two episodes of season five. I had not heard that about January 14th, but they did show the season three finale a day before the start of season four last year, so what I&#039;m betting is that they&#039;re showing the three hour, three part season four finale in its entirety that was split up last year.

All of what I said about the 14th is pure speculation of course, but that&#039;s my best guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRD, ABC announced awhile ago that on January 21st, they would show a one hour recap of the first four seasons and the first two episodes of season five. I had not heard that about January 14th, but they did show the season three finale a day before the start of season four last year, so what I&#8217;m betting is that they&#8217;re showing the three hour, three part season four finale in its entirety that was split up last year.</p>
<p>All of what I said about the 14th is pure speculation of course, but that&#8217;s my best guess.</p>
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		<title>By: tmv</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIFE has a lot going for it -- intriguing storylines, superb writing, superb acting -- besides Damian Lewis. But it&#039;s a wonder the show&#039;s been able to keep the many fans it has.  NBC moved it around to different time slots,  the writers&#039; strike pushed it and every other series into hibernation, some weeks it was on twice (YAY!), other weeks it wasn&#039;t on at all. And now it won&#039;t be on at all in January 2009, returning in February. If NBC were serious about taking on CBS, I would think they would promote and nurture the shows that show promise rather than allow these shows die of neglect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIFE has a lot going for it &#8212; intriguing storylines, superb writing, superb acting &#8212; besides Damian Lewis. But it&#8217;s a wonder the show&#8217;s been able to keep the many fans it has.  NBC moved it around to different time slots,  the writers&#8217; strike pushed it and every other series into hibernation, some weeks it was on twice (YAY!), other weeks it wasn&#8217;t on at all. And now it won&#8217;t be on at all in January 2009, returning in February. If NBC were serious about taking on CBS, I would think they would promote and nurture the shows that show promise rather than allow these shows die of neglect.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian-Lewis.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian-Lewis.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] everyone you know!   Fantastic news! Life ranked first for the 9pm viewer ratings last night! Click here to read all about it!    Spoliers! Shervin has posted a Life season 2 clip on YouTube (it’s the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] everyone you know!   Fantastic news! Life ranked first for the 9pm viewer ratings last night! Click here to read all about it!    Spoliers! Shervin has posted a Life season 2 clip on YouTube (it’s the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, but PD had what 13 million viewers for its series premier?  That wasn&#039;t 10 seconds.  That was 42 minutes.  42 minutes that 3million or so wanted back according to the ratings the next week.  The show has lost more viewers than it can currently get.

ABC promoted PD more than any other new show last season and more than any sophomore show this season.  

PD just didn&#039;t &quot;work,&quot; or what ever you want to call it with the network.  I know more than a few people who loved it, but I knew even more who gave it a shot and couldn&#039;t stand certain aspects.  I was in that boat.  I liked the idea, but the more the show went on the more I hated the &quot;Chuck,&quot; character and the more I couldn&#039;t understand the relationship.  I think part of it was dressing her in such hideous clothing.  At least Olive was usually wearing something that showed her um talent (it&#039;s not a surprise to me that when she covered up to be a nun the ratings dropped).  Ok that last bit was tongue in cheek...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, but PD had what 13 million viewers for its series premier?  That wasn&#8217;t 10 seconds.  That was 42 minutes.  42 minutes that 3million or so wanted back according to the ratings the next week.  The show has lost more viewers than it can currently get.</p>
<p>ABC promoted PD more than any other new show last season and more than any sophomore show this season.  </p>
<p>PD just didn&#8217;t &#8220;work,&#8221; or what ever you want to call it with the network.  I know more than a few people who loved it, but I knew even more who gave it a shot and couldn&#8217;t stand certain aspects.  I was in that boat.  I liked the idea, but the more the show went on the more I hated the &#8220;Chuck,&#8221; character and the more I couldn&#8217;t understand the relationship.  I think part of it was dressing her in such hideous clothing.  At least Olive was usually wearing something that showed her um talent (it&#8217;s not a surprise to me that when she covered up to be a nun the ratings dropped).  Ok that last bit was tongue in cheek&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don’t think ABC can be blamed for the failure of Pushing Daisies they tried to make it work but for various reasons it just hasn’t caught on. Ultimately I think the problem is that you can’t effectively sell Daisies in a ten second sound bite and therefore its very hard for the network to market it to the audience, as ABC found out when they tried. In contrast to that the rest of the ABC line-up is relatively easy to sell and there’s an obvious audience for it with PD its hard to see where the built in audience is or who to market it to. It was always going to be a show that caught on almost immediately or died had there been no writers strike last year then I don&#039;t imagine we&#039;d have seen a second season of the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don’t think ABC can be blamed for the failure of Pushing Daisies they tried to make it work but for various reasons it just hasn’t caught on. Ultimately I think the problem is that you can’t effectively sell Daisies in a ten second sound bite and therefore its very hard for the network to market it to the audience, as ABC found out when they tried. In contrast to that the rest of the ABC line-up is relatively easy to sell and there’s an obvious audience for it with PD its hard to see where the built in audience is or who to market it to. It was always going to be a show that caught on almost immediately or died had there been no writers strike last year then I don&#8217;t imagine we&#8217;d have seen a second season of the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38694</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love when people say a show gets cancelled because it isnt &quot;promoted&quot; enough, that is such a trivial argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when people say a show gets cancelled because it isnt &#8220;promoted&#8221; enough, that is such a trivial argument.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38690</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC did promote Pushing daisies? r u kidding? thats all i saw before the fall season started! it had a solid timeslot on wednsdays, and was never moved around. im sorry, ABC did nothing wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC did promote Pushing daisies? r u kidding? thats all i saw before the fall season started! it had a solid timeslot on wednsdays, and was never moved around. im sorry, ABC did nothing wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: idizzle</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38689</link>
		<dc:creator>idizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely NBC could not fault me for sending them deer stew. It&#039;s always better a few days later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely NBC could not fault me for sending them deer stew. It&#8217;s always better a few days later.</p>
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		<title>By: GRD</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38688</link>
		<dc:creator>GRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, where&#039;d you hear about the all-&quot;Lost&quot; Wednesdays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, where&#8217;d you hear about the all-&#8221;Lost&#8221; Wednesdays?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38687</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>idizzle, but have you ruled out sending NBC DEER STEW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>idizzle, but have you ruled out sending NBC DEER STEW?</p>
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		<title>By: idizzle</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38683</link>
		<dc:creator>idizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tan, I hope you are right, although I&#039;d like you better if you were a fan. ;)

I remember when JAG was cancelled by NBC. And when every tv critic passed NCIS third season rise of as a passing peak in the wake of pretty awesome season 2 finale. CBS really stuck it out with this franchise and it paid of so beautifully. No doubt, if they do that NCIS spin off it will just keep on making money for another decade.

Dude, do I want that to happen for Life, but if this slight uptrend doesn&#039;t stick, I  promise not to send NBC any zen audiotapes or papayas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tan, I hope you are right, although I&#8217;d like you better if you were a fan. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I remember when JAG was cancelled by NBC. And when every tv critic passed NCIS third season rise of as a passing peak in the wake of pretty awesome season 2 finale. CBS really stuck it out with this franchise and it paid of so beautifully. No doubt, if they do that NCIS spin off it will just keep on making money for another decade.</p>
<p>Dude, do I want that to happen for Life, but if this slight uptrend doesn&#8217;t stick, I  promise not to send NBC any zen audiotapes or papayas.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt2</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-3/#comment-38676</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ugly Betty, LOST, and Life On Mars are great ABC shows as well but I think Grey&#039;s Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, and Exteme Home Makeovers are much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ugly Betty, LOST, and Life On Mars are great ABC shows as well but I think Grey&#8217;s Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, and Exteme Home Makeovers are much better.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-2/#comment-38672</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC promoted the hell out of PD.  The show is just too bizarre for a mainstream audience.  I enjoyed the first few episodes but then my interest began to wane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC promoted the hell out of PD.  The show is just too bizarre for a mainstream audience.  I enjoyed the first few episodes but then my interest began to wane.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-2/#comment-38662</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that Life is going to be like NCIS (NOT a fan btw). A slow starter, but one that will continue to grow if NBC sticks to their guns and nurtures it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that Life is going to be like NCIS (NOT a fan btw). A slow starter, but one that will continue to grow if NBC sticks to their guns and nurtures it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob R</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-2/#comment-38661</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC has already announced all-&quot;Lost&quot; Wednesdays on Jan 14 and 21 for three-hour blocks.  That leaves no room for Pushing Daisies past Jan 7, unless we are to believe ABC would keep airing Pushing Daisies into February, leading into (and thus likely damaging) &quot;Lost.&quot;   I bet the remaining episodes will air on abc.com or air for two or three weeks in the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC has already announced all-&#8221;Lost&#8221; Wednesdays on Jan 14 and 21 for three-hour blocks.  That leaves no room for Pushing Daisies past Jan 7, unless we are to believe ABC would keep airing Pushing Daisies into February, leading into (and thus likely damaging) &#8220;Lost.&#8221;   I bet the remaining episodes will air on abc.com or air for two or three weeks in the summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cam says: 
THE ONLY GOOD THING ON ABC NOW IS UGLY BETTY AND LOST

Well, I agree with Ugly Betty. Lost on the other hand...Dullsville.  So I would have to say that the only good thing on ABC (for me) is Ugly Betty and Life on Mars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cam says:<br />
THE ONLY GOOD THING ON ABC NOW IS UGLY BETTY AND LOST</p>
<p>Well, I agree with Ugly Betty. Lost on the other hand&#8230;Dullsville.  So I would have to say that the only good thing on ABC (for me) is Ugly Betty and Life on Mars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yall are crazy thinking ABC didn&#039;t promote PD, they promoted that show more than any other show they had.  Heck they had commercials playing at the gas station I filled up in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yall are crazy thinking ABC didn&#8217;t promote PD, they promoted that show more than any other show they had.  Heck they had commercials playing at the gas station I filled up in.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-2/#comment-38653</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE ONLY GOOD THING ON ABC NOW IS UGLY BETTY AND LOST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE ONLY GOOD THING ON ABC NOW IS UGLY BETTY AND LOST</p>
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		<title>By: Anil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes ABC did promote PD. Especially during the Obama crap. And what did it give PD? 1 MILLION VIEWER INCREASE.
But than ABC just stopped promoting and now its down to 4 million. So ABC is def the one to be blamed. 

Why stop promoting when it was on the rise? Freakin *** wipes!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes ABC did promote PD. Especially during the Obama crap. And what did it give PD? 1 MILLION VIEWER INCREASE.<br />
But than ABC just stopped promoting and now its down to 4 million. So ABC is def the one to be blamed. </p>
<p>Why stop promoting when it was on the rise? Freakin *** wipes!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have hardly even seen advertisements on ABC for Pushing Daisies, but I see at least 5 per day for Private Practice and Grey&#039;s Anatomy. Whenever I watch ABC, when I go to the gym, online... so I agree with Cam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hardly even seen advertisements on ABC for Pushing Daisies, but I see at least 5 per day for Private Practice and Grey&#8217;s Anatomy. Whenever I watch ABC, when I go to the gym, online&#8230; so I agree with Cam.</p>
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		<title>By: idizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>idizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cam, ABC did promote Pushing Daisies with annoying intensity leading up to the season premiere. Not to mention this whole pie tour silliness over the summer. If you want to see a show ABC never promoted ever, look no further than at Boston Legal.

ABC has given up now, as it should. It might have tried harder on PP, yes, but that&#039;s because it does better numbers on an albeit low level, because they see a chance of reviving it via Grey&#039;s Anatomy and because it&#039;s produced by their own studios and as such actually making them money from DVDs, merchandise and possible (if ever) syndication.

I am not sure these conspiracy theories are winning PD fans any cosmic brownie points with anyone not equally as smitten with the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cam, ABC did promote Pushing Daisies with annoying intensity leading up to the season premiere. Not to mention this whole pie tour silliness over the summer. If you want to see a show ABC never promoted ever, look no further than at Boston Legal.</p>
<p>ABC has given up now, as it should. It might have tried harder on PP, yes, but that&#8217;s because it does better numbers on an albeit low level, because they see a chance of reviving it via Grey&#8217;s Anatomy and because it&#8217;s produced by their own studios and as such actually making them money from DVDs, merchandise and possible (if ever) syndication.</p>
<p>I am not sure these conspiracy theories are winning PD fans any cosmic brownie points with anyone not equally as smitten with the show.</p>
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		<title>By: cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough with the ABC bashing, the PD and DSM fans should be thankful that ABC bring back both shows for a second season even with horrible ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough with the ABC bashing, the PD and DSM fans should be thankful that ABC bring back both shows for a second season even with horrible ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/12/04/wednesday-red-nosed-reindeer-and-victorias-secret-models-lead-cbs-to-demo-wins/9183/comment-page-2/#comment-38644</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PUSHING DAISIES 

was only the lowest rated show through ABC not promoting it and devoting more time to the crap that is Private Practice and Grey&#039;s Anatomy

If ABC spent half the money on what it does on Patrick Dempsey&#039;s hair on Promoting PD then it might have stood a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PUSHING DAISIES </p>
<p>was only the lowest rated show through ABC not promoting it and devoting more time to the crap that is Private Practice and Grey&#8217;s Anatomy</p>
<p>If ABC spent half the money on what it does on Patrick Dempsey&#8217;s hair on Promoting PD then it might have stood a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are u blaming ABC for the failures of the shows? the shows dont get viewers! thats not ABC&#039;s fault! If ABC had the choice, they would want all their shows to hit 20 million viewers with a 7.0 in the demo! These shows had afair shot on wednesdays. ABC didnt let them rot on fridays. ABC tried, and didnt work. I just dont see how it is ABC&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are u blaming ABC for the failures of the shows? the shows dont get viewers! thats not ABC&#8217;s fault! If ABC had the choice, they would want all their shows to hit 20 million viewers with a 7.0 in the demo! These shows had afair shot on wednesdays. ABC didnt let them rot on fridays. ABC tried, and didnt work. I just dont see how it is ABC&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CBS don&#039;t have CRiminal Minds and CSI: NY, this is the reason why NBC improve a little versus last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CBS don&#8217;t have CRiminal Minds and CSI: NY, this is the reason why NBC improve a little versus last week.</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rudolph/Victoria&#039;s combo is an odd night of  programming.  Glad CBS had the Grammy special in the middle to make the concepts less jarring ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rudolph/Victoria&#8217;s combo is an odd night of  programming.  Glad CBS had the Grammy special in the middle to make the concepts less jarring <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Johnthemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnthemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Life may survive yet...maybe. 

At this point I would start over and totally reorganize the NBC schedule...seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Life may survive yet&#8230;maybe. </p>
<p>At this point I would start over and totally reorganize the NBC schedule&#8230;seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Schmokey, next week will be more telling. Again, it won’t have Knight Rider as its lead in — but the lead-in is a kid’s special “Little Spirit: Christmas in New York,” which is still likely a better lead in than KR. Unfortunately for Life though, Criminal Minds is airing next week.&quot;

Robert,

Stop being a Schrooge. You should be celebrating the achievement. It may be the only time it is #1 in its timeslot. Cherish it with the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Schmokey, next week will be more telling. Again, it won’t have Knight Rider as its lead in — but the lead-in is a kid’s special “Little Spirit: Christmas in New York,” which is still likely a better lead in than KR. Unfortunately for Life though, Criminal Minds is airing next week.&#8221;</p>
<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Stop being a Schrooge. You should be celebrating the achievement. It may be the only time it is #1 in its timeslot. Cherish it with the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life got a huge boost from the special on before it and there was no Criminal Minds on last night. It was actually the first time I even tried watching all of it and I liked it a lot.   It&#039;s a good show and deserves a chance.   And last night&#039;s Law &amp; Order was the best ep this season so far, so I&#039;m glad to see it also did well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life got a huge boost from the special on before it and there was no Criminal Minds on last night. It was actually the first time I even tried watching all of it and I liked it a lot.   It&#8217;s a good show and deserves a chance.   And last night&#8217;s Law &amp; Order was the best ep this season so far, so I&#8217;m glad to see it also did well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telemundo averaged 1.37 million in primetime and a .6/1 among 18-49 year olds.  For whatever reason there is no preliminary overnight reporting of MNT&#039;s numbers, though we do see show data in the weekly reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telemundo averaged 1.37 million in primetime and a .6/1 among 18-49 year olds.  For whatever reason there is no preliminary overnight reporting of MNT&#8217;s numbers, though we do see show data in the weekly reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did Telemundo &amp; MyNetworkTV do last night? Reason: on Telemundo &quot;Sin Senos No Hay Paraiso&quot; is moving upward and MyTV ran one of the better specials on television this year, &quot;Eyes On Kenya&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did Telemundo &amp; MyNetworkTV do last night? Reason: on Telemundo &#8220;Sin Senos No Hay Paraiso&#8221; is moving upward and MyTV ran one of the better specials on television this year, &#8220;Eyes On Kenya&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only NBC could find a decent enough show to put at 8pm on Wednesdays then the rest of the line-up could do slightly better. But I do feel a reality show might be scheduled there after KR is done in February. There is no way they would put a series up against American Idol. Maybe they should try something that skews older like CBS is doing so magnificently on Tuesdays with NCIS and has almost no impact when AI invades the screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only NBC could find a decent enough show to put at 8pm on Wednesdays then the rest of the line-up could do slightly better. But I do feel a reality show might be scheduled there after KR is done in February. There is no way they would put a series up against American Idol. Maybe they should try something that skews older like CBS is doing so magnificently on Tuesdays with NCIS and has almost no impact when AI invades the screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tooltip -- i&#039;m surprised nobody beat you to it.  The numeric data is correct, but the labels aren&#039;t. I&#039;ll fix them, but NBC was the first column...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tooltip &#8212; i&#8217;m surprised nobody beat you to it.  The numeric data is correct, but the labels aren&#8217;t. I&#8217;ll fix them, but NBC was the first column&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tooltip86</title>
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		<dc:creator>tooltip86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how NONE of the NBC Shows was lower than 8 millions and yet NBC got 7.17. Also, I think Chuck would be a better lead in for Life than Knight Rider</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how NONE of the NBC Shows was lower than 8 millions and yet NBC got 7.17. Also, I think Chuck would be a better lead in for Life than Knight Rider</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schmokey, next week will be more telling.  Again, it won&#039;t have Knight Rider as its lead in -- but the lead-in is a kid&#039;s special &quot;Little Spirit: Christmas in New York,&quot; which is still likely a better lead in than KR.  Unfortunately for Life though, Criminal Minds is airing next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schmokey, next week will be more telling.  Again, it won&#8217;t have Knight Rider as its lead in &#8212; but the lead-in is a kid&#8217;s special &#8220;Little Spirit: Christmas in New York,&#8221; which is still likely a better lead in than KR.  Unfortunately for Life though, Criminal Minds is airing next week.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with a buttload of caveats (demos, competition, etc.), who would have ever guessed Life would ever win any hour ever in total viewers?  It&#039;s at least a giant moral victory, and a sign for NBC that they might be able to turn it into a decent success if they can somehow figure out how to help it along (not that I have hope Ben Silverman could even find his butt with a funnel).  

Will it ever be a monster success?  Probably not, but I&#039;m pretty certain everyone here would have said the same about NCIS six years ago.  Never know what might happen, and NBC is at least a network that has nothing else going for it at the moment.  That Life is showing at least some signs of life has got to be good for it.

That said, the numbers from here on out will tell the tale more so than one nice showing against marginal competition (I mean you, Private Practice).  But it can&#039;t be that expensive, and given their absolute dearth of programming (NBC running out of shows??), never know where this might lead.

God, I hope so, because come January there will be almost nothing on that I like.  And Damien Lewis should always be on the air somewhere at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with a buttload of caveats (demos, competition, etc.), who would have ever guessed Life would ever win any hour ever in total viewers?  It&#8217;s at least a giant moral victory, and a sign for NBC that they might be able to turn it into a decent success if they can somehow figure out how to help it along (not that I have hope Ben Silverman could even find his butt with a funnel).  </p>
<p>Will it ever be a monster success?  Probably not, but I&#8217;m pretty certain everyone here would have said the same about NCIS six years ago.  Never know what might happen, and NBC is at least a network that has nothing else going for it at the moment.  That Life is showing at least some signs of life has got to be good for it.</p>
<p>That said, the numbers from here on out will tell the tale more so than one nice showing against marginal competition (I mean you, Private Practice).  But it can&#8217;t be that expensive, and given their absolute dearth of programming (NBC running out of shows??), never know where this might lead.</p>
<p>God, I hope so, because come January there will be almost nothing on that I like.  And Damien Lewis should always be on the air somewhere at all times.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a fan of Life.  Given enough time and a decent lead in, I think it could find an audience.  It reminds me of House before American Idol introduced it to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a fan of Life.  Given enough time and a decent lead in, I think it could find an audience.  It reminds me of House before American Idol introduced it to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert - it looks like the CBS, Fox, and NBC logos need to be switched. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert &#8211; it looks like the CBS, Fox, and NBC logos need to be switched. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Monic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo! Good on &lt;i&gt;Life&lt;/i&gt;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo! Good on <i>Life</i>!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, Idizzle, it was the #1 show in viewers at 9pm for all networks. Its demo is not that far off from the shows on CBS and ABC, and I&#039;m sure NBC is happy (given its dismal Fall record).

Maybe now, those oldies from CBS who crossed over to NBC and discovered what the heck Life was (a procedural!) may stick around--even a couple of million defections is good news.

Regarding FOX--God no! Not another reality show hit! Yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, Idizzle, it was the #1 show in viewers at 9pm for all networks. Its demo is not that far off from the shows on CBS and ABC, and I&#8217;m sure NBC is happy (given its dismal Fall record).</p>
<p>Maybe now, those oldies from CBS who crossed over to NBC and discovered what the heck Life was (a procedural!) may stick around&#8211;even a couple of million defections is good news.</p>
<p>Regarding FOX&#8211;God no! Not another reality show hit! Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CAM relax...a 1.5 in the demo?  oh ABC knows what it is missing and it&#039;s not much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAM relax&#8230;a 1.5 in the demo?  oh ABC knows what it is missing and it&#8217;s not much.</p>
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