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	<title>Comments on: NBC Hands Jay Leno 23% of Primetime</title>
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		<title>By: R.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC - THE NEW CW - ENJOY EACH OTHER...</description>
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		<title>By: Johnthemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnthemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RR Ryan

They already tried programming Friday and that didn&#039;t work out so well.</description>
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<p>They already tried programming Friday and that didn&#8217;t work out so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnthemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnthemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Holly. I think this will work well enough while NBC develops some new shows. I don&#039;t think it will last beyond the 2009-2010 season, I don&#039;t think it will have to. This is actually a pretty clever move.

NBC was going to have to cancel more shows then it had new ones in production. If Kings, Merlin, and the Philanthopist all fail, they&#039;ll be even happier with this. I&#039;m not saying they will. Plus Medium is pretty much on the bubble and likely to be ended. If all this happens, they&#039;res no way NBC could fill all it&#039;s time. Eliminating the 10:00 hour on weeknights makes it possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Holly. I think this will work well enough while NBC develops some new shows. I don&#8217;t think it will last beyond the 2009-2010 season, I don&#8217;t think it will have to. This is actually a pretty clever move.</p>
<p>NBC was going to have to cancel more shows then it had new ones in production. If Kings, Merlin, and the Philanthopist all fail, they&#8217;ll be even happier with this. I&#8217;m not saying they will. Plus Medium is pretty much on the bubble and likely to be ended. If all this happens, they&#8217;res no way NBC could fill all it&#8217;s time. Eliminating the 10:00 hour on weeknights makes it possible.</p>
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		<title>By: the128boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>the128boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Kings, the philanthropist, and the amy poehler show work, this could be an interesting lineup.

Mon:
Heroes
Kings

Tue:
The Biggest Loser
The Biggest Loser

Wed:
The Philanthropist
Law &amp; Order: SVU

Thu:
My Name Is Earl
Amy Poehler
The Office
30 Rock

Fri:
Chuck
Law &amp; Order

They could save Dateline, The Apprentice, and new shows for Midseason once football is over.  A whole bunch of new shows in the fall would be too big a risk considering that leno&#039;s performance is still a question mark.

The best thing about this is that Friday doesn&#039;t have to be a throwaway night anymore.  They have enough programming now to at least *try* on Fridays.

I think this spells the end for
Knight Rider
Kath &amp; Kim
Friday Night Lights
Deal Or No Deal (now that they have enough to air on Fridays, even NBC doesn&#039;t have to settle for 5 mil and a 1.3 in the demo)

I also seriously doubt that Howie Do It, Momma&#039;s Boys, or Superstars of Dance will do well enough for a return.  Much less a fall berth... if they do well enough they can be filler for repeating shows or midseason replacements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Kings, the philanthropist, and the amy poehler show work, this could be an interesting lineup.</p>
<p>Mon:<br />
Heroes<br />
Kings</p>
<p>Tue:<br />
The Biggest Loser<br />
The Biggest Loser</p>
<p>Wed:<br />
The Philanthropist<br />
Law &amp; Order: SVU</p>
<p>Thu:<br />
My Name Is Earl<br />
Amy Poehler<br />
The Office<br />
30 Rock</p>
<p>Fri:<br />
Chuck<br />
Law &amp; Order</p>
<p>They could save Dateline, The Apprentice, and new shows for Midseason once football is over.  A whole bunch of new shows in the fall would be too big a risk considering that leno&#8217;s performance is still a question mark.</p>
<p>The best thing about this is that Friday doesn&#8217;t have to be a throwaway night anymore.  They have enough programming now to at least *try* on Fridays.</p>
<p>I think this spells the end for<br />
Knight Rider<br />
Kath &amp; Kim<br />
Friday Night Lights<br />
Deal Or No Deal (now that they have enough to air on Fridays, even NBC doesn&#8217;t have to settle for 5 mil and a 1.3 in the demo)</p>
<p>I also seriously doubt that Howie Do It, Momma&#8217;s Boys, or Superstars of Dance will do well enough for a return.  Much less a fall berth&#8230; if they do well enough they can be filler for repeating shows or midseason replacements.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments from Les Moonves: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6621431.html

Nice to see that somebody out there still believes in the traditional model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments from Les Moonves: <a href="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6621431.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6621431.html</a></p>
<p>Nice to see that somebody out there still believes in the traditional model.</p>
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		<title>By: Thecolours</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thecolours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How screwed will NBC be if this dosen&#039;t work out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How screwed will NBC be if this dosen&#8217;t work out?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conan is by far better than Leno.   Leno just isn&#039;t funny.  People write his entire show.  Atleast Conan has alot of input with his.  NBC didn&#039;t want to let Leno out because of a competition to there Late Night series.  Not to mention it was a 20 million payout to Conan if they cancelled his contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conan is by far better than Leno.   Leno just isn&#8217;t funny.  People write his entire show.  Atleast Conan has alot of input with his.  NBC didn&#8217;t want to let Leno out because of a competition to there Late Night series.  Not to mention it was a 20 million payout to Conan if they cancelled his contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Riff Rafferty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riff Rafferty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More great knowledge from the Times: 

&quot;No broadcast network has ever before offered the same show in prime time five nights a week.&quot;

Warren Littlefield would beg to differ, since his solution to all of NBC&#039;s problems was 5 editions of &quot;Dateline&quot; a week. (That and 20 &quot;upscale&quot; multi-cam sitcoms set in New York City with sassy white chicks working for newspapers, magazines, tabloids, promotions agencies and/or lingerie companies.) 

Not to mention that DuMont had a 5-night-a-week prime time show all the way back in 1947, with the kiddie program, &quot;Small Fry Club.&quot; CBS followed with &quot;Face the Music&quot; in 1948.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More great knowledge from the Times: </p>
<p>&#8220;No broadcast network has ever before offered the same show in prime time five nights a week.&#8221;</p>
<p>Warren Littlefield would beg to differ, since his solution to all of NBC&#8217;s problems was 5 editions of &#8220;Dateline&#8221; a week. (That and 20 &#8220;upscale&#8221; multi-cam sitcoms set in New York City with sassy white chicks working for newspapers, magazines, tabloids, promotions agencies and/or lingerie companies.) </p>
<p>Not to mention that DuMont had a 5-night-a-week prime time show all the way back in 1947, with the kiddie program, &#8220;Small Fry Club.&#8221; CBS followed with &#8220;Face the Music&#8221; in 1948.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with NBCs plan to put Leno on 5 days a week but I do like that they are willing to try something diffrent. I just wish it was with someone who appeals to a younger demo. Leno needed to go away gracefully.  

David- &quot;The Leno-less Tonight Show with Conan OBrien will fail because he is not as personable and fun to watch as Leno.&quot;

Conan appeals to a younger crowd. No one at my university ever comes to class talking about something that Leno did but they do talk about how funny Conan was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with NBCs plan to put Leno on 5 days a week but I do like that they are willing to try something diffrent. I just wish it was with someone who appeals to a younger demo. Leno needed to go away gracefully.  </p>
<p>David- &#8220;The Leno-less Tonight Show with Conan OBrien will fail because he is not as personable and fun to watch as Leno.&#8221;</p>
<p>Conan appeals to a younger crowd. No one at my university ever comes to class talking about something that Leno did but they do talk about how funny Conan was.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely Holly.....precisely.  If you are going blow the ship up, blow the ship up.  L&amp;O has to go!!! Hey Hey Ho Ho!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely Holly&#8230;..precisely.  If you are going blow the ship up, blow the ship up.  L&amp;O has to go!!! Hey Hey Ho Ho!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. O&#039;Leary: L&amp;O only did that well last week because CSI: NY wasn&#039;t on. When it is, L&amp;O gets 7 million and a 2.2 in the demo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. O&#8217;Leary: L&amp;O only did that well last week because CSI: NY wasn&#8217;t on. When it is, L&amp;O gets 7 million and a 2.2 in the demo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law &amp; Order was NBC&#039;s 2nd highest rated show,Dec 1-7, just behind Sunday Football and 1 Million more than L&amp;O SVU. 
It was also one of NBC&#039;s two shows in the top twenty at number 17.

Canceling Law &amp; Order would be big mistake for NBC.

Hell, it even beat it&#039;s lead in, Life, by 3 Million!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law &amp; Order was NBC&#8217;s 2nd highest rated show,Dec 1-7, just behind Sunday Football and 1 Million more than L&amp;O SVU.<br />
It was also one of NBC&#8217;s two shows in the top twenty at number 17.</p>
<p>Canceling Law &amp; Order would be big mistake for NBC.</p>
<p>Hell, it even beat it&#8217;s lead in, Life, by 3 Million!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, why would a show on a broadcast network beating a show on a cable net be big news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, why would a show on a broadcast network beating a show on a cable net be big news?</p>
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		<title>By: RR Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t NBC try something so old it would seem new: program Saturday night. I grew up with CBS&#039;s Saturday night block.  I actually watched most of it before I went out at night when I was a kid.  Give me Law and Order and something compatible or some reasonably adult comedies(again, the old CBS block) and I&#039;ll watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t NBC try something so old it would seem new: program Saturday night. I grew up with CBS&#8217;s Saturday night block.  I actually watched most of it before I went out at night when I was a kid.  Give me Law and Order and something compatible or some reasonably adult comedies(again, the old CBS block) and I&#8217;ll watch.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a move. If it works - and i&#039;ll let the numbers gurus define the parameters of success - somebody at NBC is a genius. If not ... I haven&#039;t watched Leno or any of them since 1993, but my gut likes this move, and Leno is bulletproof regarding kibitzers. He&#039;s at the point now I don&#039;t think he even hears the critics, which us a good thing for a seasoned performer. Good luck, Jay Leno. More power to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a move. If it works &#8211; and i&#8217;ll let the numbers gurus define the parameters of success &#8211; somebody at NBC is a genius. If not &#8230; I haven&#8217;t watched Leno or any of them since 1993, but my gut likes this move, and Leno is bulletproof regarding kibitzers. He&#8217;s at the point now I don&#8217;t think he even hears the critics, which us a good thing for a seasoned performer. Good luck, Jay Leno. More power to you.</p>
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		<title>By: keith brewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith brewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so when r they going to replace o&#039;lberman on msnbc when LENO kicks his - - - ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so when r they going to replace o&#8217;lberman on msnbc when LENO kicks his &#8211; - &#8211; ???</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LouisC, I think you have a good idea about going with some of the British panel type comedy/news shows. I mean, we&#039;re already stealing every slightly successful scripted show from BBC, might as well take the successful cheap shows as well. (Personally, I&#039;d like to see Have I Got News For You.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LouisC, I think you have a good idea about going with some of the British panel type comedy/news shows. I mean, we&#8217;re already stealing every slightly successful scripted show from BBC, might as well take the successful cheap shows as well. (Personally, I&#8217;d like to see Have I Got News For You.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck would actually pair nicely with Reaper on CW if NBC did not want to pick it up for next season.  

As for the claims that Chuck is treading water, it is the only show to increase its viewship from the start of the year to date for NBC -- up a total of one million with a peak up of 1.25 million.  It comes just shy of 7 million this week and it holds its demo week-in, week-out.  In the new world order of NBC, that is a success.  

The following shows should be retired:

Earl -- has gone one season too far -- the tornado episode this year was a train wreck.  Jason Lee is phoning it in too.
L&amp;O -- time to bury the old dog, she just won&#039;t hunt no more.
Knight Rider -- honestly, I think we can all agree on this one.
Life -- I love it, I really do, but its demo numbers are not good at all.
K&amp;K -- the single worst comedy in the last 5 years to air on TV, in my opinion.

Shows already retiring or retired:

ER -- going out properly and with some dignity. A procedural never gets that.
My Own Worst Enemy -- good concept; bad execution.
Lipstick Jungle -- unappealling then, unappealing now.
Deal or No Deal -- when it came back as a special; nowhere near what it once was.

Shows to be modified or used differently:

Biggest Loser -- cut it to one hour; use two hour special for opener and closer.  Move to Sunday opposite Extreme Home Makeover at 8pm after football in winter.  
Medium -- keep as mid-season show with 13 show run -- Sundays after Biggest Loser.  

Just my thoughts, but if NBC really is going to cut and run.  I&#039;d:
1) Try to program a real Friday, like CBS -- target an audience and get it -- if that means Biggest Loser and some other reality show great. I won&#039;t watch, but I know my mom and sister-in-laws will.
2) Plan a real Sunday for after football -- men watch football; target men with something-like Chuck, Kings, Burn Notice, etc. and advertise the hell out of it during football season.  Again, target an audience and go out and get it.
3) Put your stars on Leno at 10pm; Put your stars in the hosting role of SNL.  

Wow that was fun to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck would actually pair nicely with Reaper on CW if NBC did not want to pick it up for next season.  </p>
<p>As for the claims that Chuck is treading water, it is the only show to increase its viewship from the start of the year to date for NBC &#8212; up a total of one million with a peak up of 1.25 million.  It comes just shy of 7 million this week and it holds its demo week-in, week-out.  In the new world order of NBC, that is a success.  </p>
<p>The following shows should be retired:</p>
<p>Earl &#8212; has gone one season too far &#8212; the tornado episode this year was a train wreck.  Jason Lee is phoning it in too.<br />
L&amp;O &#8212; time to bury the old dog, she just won&#8217;t hunt no more.<br />
Knight Rider &#8212; honestly, I think we can all agree on this one.<br />
Life &#8212; I love it, I really do, but its demo numbers are not good at all.<br />
K&amp;K &#8212; the single worst comedy in the last 5 years to air on TV, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Shows already retiring or retired:</p>
<p>ER &#8212; going out properly and with some dignity. A procedural never gets that.<br />
My Own Worst Enemy &#8212; good concept; bad execution.<br />
Lipstick Jungle &#8212; unappealling then, unappealing now.<br />
Deal or No Deal &#8212; when it came back as a special; nowhere near what it once was.</p>
<p>Shows to be modified or used differently:</p>
<p>Biggest Loser &#8212; cut it to one hour; use two hour special for opener and closer.  Move to Sunday opposite Extreme Home Makeover at 8pm after football in winter.<br />
Medium &#8212; keep as mid-season show with 13 show run &#8212; Sundays after Biggest Loser.  </p>
<p>Just my thoughts, but if NBC really is going to cut and run.  I&#8217;d:<br />
1) Try to program a real Friday, like CBS &#8212; target an audience and get it &#8212; if that means Biggest Loser and some other reality show great. I won&#8217;t watch, but I know my mom and sister-in-laws will.<br />
2) Plan a real Sunday for after football &#8212; men watch football; target men with something-like Chuck, Kings, Burn Notice, etc. and advertise the hell out of it during football season.  Again, target an audience and go out and get it.<br />
3) Put your stars on Leno at 10pm; Put your stars in the hosting role of SNL.  </p>
<p>Wow that was fun to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understad why NBC would&#039;nt be able to get the hour back from the affiliates?
If they will not want to give it back just steal CW, Univision and My Network TV affiliates. A station would want to be affiliated with a network who will bring them more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understad why NBC would&#8217;nt be able to get the hour back from the affiliates?<br />
If they will not want to give it back just steal CW, Univision and My Network TV affiliates. A station would want to be affiliated with a network who will bring them more money.</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will fail miserably and then the network will have to come up with five shows to replace the five hours of Leno.</description>
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		<title>By: LouisC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday night used to feature some of the top-rated shows on television: Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Carol Burnett, Bob Newhart. Now the networks have given up on Saturday night. So, if it&#039;s expendible, why not try the risky. What about faux-news like Jon Stewart and Colbert. Second City stuff. British programs in the original language. What about Keith Olbermann and/or Rachel Maddow with a That Was The Week That Was format? 

You don&#039;t need huge ratings to be a hit on Saturday night. You need to be exciting. Don&#039;t bury the audience before its dead. Is Cops the most entertaining program we can come up with on Saturday? CBS has Craig Ferguson who is one of the best talk show hosts on any network. Why not give him an hour or two on Saturday night? Who knows what might develop?

Leno won&#039;t be the last talk show to make it to primetime. This is just the beginning. Over 50 years ago, Pat Weaver saved network radio with an audacious experiment called Monitor, 40 hours a weekend, a show that broke the rules, a show that had no format. It lasted 20 years. He joked that it was a &quot;kaleidoscopic phantasmagoria,&quot; news, comedy, music, all together in one program. Network television needs its own kaleidoscopic phantasmagorias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturday night used to feature some of the top-rated shows on television: Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family, Carol Burnett, Bob Newhart. Now the networks have given up on Saturday night. So, if it&#8217;s expendible, why not try the risky. What about faux-news like Jon Stewart and Colbert. Second City stuff. British programs in the original language. What about Keith Olbermann and/or Rachel Maddow with a That Was The Week That Was format? </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need huge ratings to be a hit on Saturday night. You need to be exciting. Don&#8217;t bury the audience before its dead. Is Cops the most entertaining program we can come up with on Saturday? CBS has Craig Ferguson who is one of the best talk show hosts on any network. Why not give him an hour or two on Saturday night? Who knows what might develop?</p>
<p>Leno won&#8217;t be the last talk show to make it to primetime. This is just the beginning. Over 50 years ago, Pat Weaver saved network radio with an audacious experiment called Monitor, 40 hours a weekend, a show that broke the rules, a show that had no format. It lasted 20 years. He joked that it was a &#8220;kaleidoscopic phantasmagoria,&#8221; news, comedy, music, all together in one program. Network television needs its own kaleidoscopic phantasmagorias.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a bad move born of desperation and failure. HOWEVER, I do think it is much better than turning that extra hour over to the affiliates. Doing that would be very final. Once the affiliates took over, NBC would never get that hour back (kind of like FOX). At least this way NBC retains ownership of the 10:00 hour, so this could work as a short term solution, giving them something to air while they revamp their development department and try to get some shows that people will actually watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a bad move born of desperation and failure. HOWEVER, I do think it is much better than turning that extra hour over to the affiliates. Doing that would be very final. Once the affiliates took over, NBC would never get that hour back (kind of like FOX). At least this way NBC retains ownership of the 10:00 hour, so this could work as a short term solution, giving them something to air while they revamp their development department and try to get some shows that people will actually watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to point out that CBS aired Big Brother in 2000 six nights a week and NBC is not the first to offer the same show in prime time five nights a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to point out that CBS aired Big Brother in 2000 six nights a week and NBC is not the first to offer the same show in prime time five nights a week.</p>
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		<title>By: RViewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RViewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oups that should have read &quot; don’t think it will work. Leno will go against some of CBS and ABC big shows&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oups that should have read &#8221; don’t think it will work. Leno will go against some of CBS and ABC big shows&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RViewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RViewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,

I don&#039;t think it will work. Leno will go against some of CBS big shows. I don&#039;t think Leno will beat CSI:Miami, CSI:NY, Without a Trace, Private Pratice, Numbe3s even 11th hour would do good against Leno.

Then you will have shows like L&amp;O:SUV and L&amp;O that will go against The Mentalist on Monday and Criminal Minds and Lost on Wednesday or CSI and Grey on Thursday, they can try for Sunday but that is where we will find Cold Case and DH. So what is left for NBC Friday and Saturday nights. Not a lot of choices.

What NBC should have done was to fire both Zucker and Silverman, hire someone that will give the audience what it does want like CBS did with The Mentalist.
The Mentalist is a huge success for CBS because CBS gave its audience what it wanted, some may not like The Mentalist (I don&#039;t like it) but it is a success.

Instead of trying to get the next big hit NBC is going for cheap, easy solution that may work in the short run but not in the long run. I see this move as working maybe a month or two but not a season. Plus the real loser in this apart from the viewers who like scripted shows, is Conan O&#039;Brien. After an hour of Leno, who I am sure most guests will want to appear on his show since he will be in primetime, who will want to stay up, wait for the news so they can watch Conan? Not me unless he&#039;s got guests that I really want to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it will work. Leno will go against some of CBS big shows. I don&#8217;t think Leno will beat CSI:Miami, CSI:NY, Without a Trace, Private Pratice, Numbe3s even 11th hour would do good against Leno.</p>
<p>Then you will have shows like L&amp;O:SUV and L&amp;O that will go against The Mentalist on Monday and Criminal Minds and Lost on Wednesday or CSI and Grey on Thursday, they can try for Sunday but that is where we will find Cold Case and DH. So what is left for NBC Friday and Saturday nights. Not a lot of choices.</p>
<p>What NBC should have done was to fire both Zucker and Silverman, hire someone that will give the audience what it does want like CBS did with The Mentalist.<br />
The Mentalist is a huge success for CBS because CBS gave its audience what it wanted, some may not like The Mentalist (I don&#8217;t like it) but it is a success.</p>
<p>Instead of trying to get the next big hit NBC is going for cheap, easy solution that may work in the short run but not in the long run. I see this move as working maybe a month or two but not a season. Plus the real loser in this apart from the viewers who like scripted shows, is Conan O&#8217;Brien. After an hour of Leno, who I am sure most guests will want to appear on his show since he will be in primetime, who will want to stay up, wait for the news so they can watch Conan? Not me unless he&#8217;s got guests that I really want to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not bad of move, I think its a good refresh for NBC.
Why not try it out, you never work..Who wants to be a millionair did a weekly shows and revived ABC...
9:00 is the new 10:00, boosting ratings for the dramas normally on at ten (ie.L&amp;O) and the first 8:00hour will vary.

Monday: Heroes and new drama
Tuesday: ?, L&amp;O SVU
Wednesday:?, L&amp;O
Thursday: 4 Comedies
Friday: Medium and ??
Sunday (post football): throw in a midseason dramas,comedies.

Man, itll work
You guys are making a fuss over nothing.
change is what the networks need</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not bad of move, I think its a good refresh for NBC.<br />
Why not try it out, you never work..Who wants to be a millionair did a weekly shows and revived ABC&#8230;<br />
9:00 is the new 10:00, boosting ratings for the dramas normally on at ten (ie.L&amp;O) and the first 8:00hour will vary.</p>
<p>Monday: Heroes and new drama<br />
Tuesday: ?, L&amp;O SVU<br />
Wednesday:?, L&amp;O<br />
Thursday: 4 Comedies<br />
Friday: Medium and ??<br />
Sunday (post football): throw in a midseason dramas,comedies.</p>
<p>Man, itll work<br />
You guys are making a fuss over nothing.<br />
change is what the networks need</p>
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		<title>By: Schmokey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intersting move.  This will be a big time pass/fail situation.  Either this will work very well (thanks to low cost per hour), or people will get massive Leno fatigue and turn it into one of the biggest disasters in television history (seriously, two million or fewer viewers total after a year seems very possible).  

To be quite honest, I have no idea which it will be.  I lean toward disaster, but considering the pablum people make into Top Ten shows these days, it may work out for them.  As pointed out, he only needs a 2.5 to 3.0 demo to make this very successful, based on cost per hour.  Of course, the last people Leno appeals to are the 18-34 crowd.  I just can&#039;t imagine many of them will watch. 

No matter what, however, this will boost ABC and CBS through the roof at 10 pm, which is very good news for viewers such as us.  Now the chances are better for success from some of these 10 pm shows that have been getting cancelled by the bucketload. Perhaps ABC and CBS will use this opportunity to try some interesting stuff at that hour, rather than just more soaps and/or procedurals.

On the whole, however, the biggest thing I take from this is that Ben Silverman is an abject failure.  With a massively successful Olympics to promote his fall schedule, Silverman has produced zero hits and presided over the demise of the few hot shows he did have.  He mis-programmed both Chuck and MOWE into near-oblivion and oblivion, respectively, and he has sat by idly while Tim Kring has run Heroes into the ground.  He also used his honeymoon year to put absolute crap like Knight Rider and Kath and Kim on the air, neither of which had any chance of being a big hit, while he cancelled ER, a show that is far and away one of the most successful still on NBC&#039;s airwaves.  And now his boss has had to eliminate the ten o&#039;clock hour in favor of a low rent talk show that has the potential to be mildly profitable but no chance to be a huge success, while sacrificing their ability to ever program another E.R. now that they have no 10 pm slot to place it into.

That&#039;s the oddest part of the Leno announcement.  While it might be successful on its own terms, it has zero chance to be the type of monster smash that NBC desperately needs to pull themselves back to respectibility.  

Still, if it works out, and if NBC could ever find something that would let them dominate a night or two again, it could work for them. I doubt it will, but it could.  Either way, however, Silverman has to be history.  Keeping him would be tantamount to admitting you just don&#039;t care anymore.

They are just lucky that John McCain pulled one of the biggest political blunders in history, which helped prop up two different shows.  Think about that, sportsfans.  John McCain has done more to help NBC than Ben Silverman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intersting move.  This will be a big time pass/fail situation.  Either this will work very well (thanks to low cost per hour), or people will get massive Leno fatigue and turn it into one of the biggest disasters in television history (seriously, two million or fewer viewers total after a year seems very possible).  </p>
<p>To be quite honest, I have no idea which it will be.  I lean toward disaster, but considering the pablum people make into Top Ten shows these days, it may work out for them.  As pointed out, he only needs a 2.5 to 3.0 demo to make this very successful, based on cost per hour.  Of course, the last people Leno appeals to are the 18-34 crowd.  I just can&#8217;t imagine many of them will watch. </p>
<p>No matter what, however, this will boost ABC and CBS through the roof at 10 pm, which is very good news for viewers such as us.  Now the chances are better for success from some of these 10 pm shows that have been getting cancelled by the bucketload. Perhaps ABC and CBS will use this opportunity to try some interesting stuff at that hour, rather than just more soaps and/or procedurals.</p>
<p>On the whole, however, the biggest thing I take from this is that Ben Silverman is an abject failure.  With a massively successful Olympics to promote his fall schedule, Silverman has produced zero hits and presided over the demise of the few hot shows he did have.  He mis-programmed both Chuck and MOWE into near-oblivion and oblivion, respectively, and he has sat by idly while Tim Kring has run Heroes into the ground.  He also used his honeymoon year to put absolute crap like Knight Rider and Kath and Kim on the air, neither of which had any chance of being a big hit, while he cancelled ER, a show that is far and away one of the most successful still on NBC&#8217;s airwaves.  And now his boss has had to eliminate the ten o&#8217;clock hour in favor of a low rent talk show that has the potential to be mildly profitable but no chance to be a huge success, while sacrificing their ability to ever program another E.R. now that they have no 10 pm slot to place it into.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the oddest part of the Leno announcement.  While it might be successful on its own terms, it has zero chance to be the type of monster smash that NBC desperately needs to pull themselves back to respectibility.  </p>
<p>Still, if it works out, and if NBC could ever find something that would let them dominate a night or two again, it could work for them. I doubt it will, but it could.  Either way, however, Silverman has to be history.  Keeping him would be tantamount to admitting you just don&#8217;t care anymore.</p>
<p>They are just lucky that John McCain pulled one of the biggest political blunders in history, which helped prop up two different shows.  Think about that, sportsfans.  John McCain has done more to help NBC than Ben Silverman.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will NBC do if Leno fails in Primetime.  I can not see Leno beating CSI Miami, et. al.  Leno is great, and glad to see he is sticking around.  Too bad its at NBC.  Leno and ABC/Disney would have been a better fit.  The Leno-less Tonight Show with Conan OBrien will fail because he is not as personable and fun to watch as Leno.  The clear winner in this is ABC News Nightline.

What happens when Leno&#039;s second half hour loses viewers, and cannot provide a strong lead in for local news?  NBC is grasping at straws with this move. But then again, they made their own mess giving the Tonight Show away to Conan OBrien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will NBC do if Leno fails in Primetime.  I can not see Leno beating CSI Miami, et. al.  Leno is great, and glad to see he is sticking around.  Too bad its at NBC.  Leno and ABC/Disney would have been a better fit.  The Leno-less Tonight Show with Conan OBrien will fail because he is not as personable and fun to watch as Leno.  The clear winner in this is ABC News Nightline.</p>
<p>What happens when Leno&#8217;s second half hour loses viewers, and cannot provide a strong lead in for local news?  NBC is grasping at straws with this move. But then again, they made their own mess giving the Tonight Show away to Conan OBrien.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should do it like Fox in its early days: Just air shows on weekends...</description>
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		<title>By: DaisiesDeathKnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaisiesDeathKnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does everyone keep putting Chuck in their predicted lineups? That show&#039;s treading water under this new format and we still don&#039;t know just how many viewers will be around by the spring when Heroes keeps turning away people in droves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everyone keep putting Chuck in their predicted lineups? That show&#8217;s treading water under this new format and we still don&#8217;t know just how many viewers will be around by the spring when Heroes keeps turning away people in droves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Shoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Shoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question...Will this be live EVERY weeknight or will they also show reruns? Guest hosts? Myself, I like the idea.</description>
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		<title>By: MILF Island</title>
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		<dc:creator>MILF Island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I would also include &#039;The Biggest Loser&#039; on NBC lineup for next Fall, which gets similar numbers as Heroes.

Chuck - 1 hour
Heroes - 1 hour
Office - 30 mins
30 Rock - 30 mins
Earl - 30 mins
Law &amp; Order: SVU - 1 hour
Biggest Loser - 2 hour

Thus leaving 11.5 hours


If NBC does not pick up Chuck, does anybody see maybe CW picking it up. Chuck is produced by Warner Bros. Studios and they own half of CW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I would also include &#8216;The Biggest Loser&#8217; on NBC lineup for next Fall, which gets similar numbers as Heroes.</p>
<p>Chuck &#8211; 1 hour<br />
Heroes &#8211; 1 hour<br />
Office &#8211; 30 mins<br />
30 Rock &#8211; 30 mins<br />
Earl &#8211; 30 mins<br />
Law &amp; Order: SVU &#8211; 1 hour<br />
Biggest Loser &#8211; 2 hour</p>
<p>Thus leaving 11.5 hours</p>
<p>If NBC does not pick up Chuck, does anybody see maybe CW picking it up. Chuck is produced by Warner Bros. Studios and they own half of CW.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumb NBC. They should&#039;ve droped the 8/7 hour.
DWTS, House, NCIS, Survivor, HIMYM/BBT, and in few months AI and Lost are some of the shows who slaughter NBC&#039;s every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumb NBC. They should&#8217;ve droped the 8/7 hour.<br />
DWTS, House, NCIS, Survivor, HIMYM/BBT, and in few months AI and Lost are some of the shows who slaughter NBC&#8217;s every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully Chuck will stick around. Even with giving 5 hours to Leno, they don&#039;t exactly have a huge list of shows to fill the rest of the schedule. And they haven&#039;t been doing too well with new shows either. They&#039;d be better off keeping existing shows that are getting alright ratings, if not great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully Chuck will stick around. Even with giving 5 hours to Leno, they don&#8217;t exactly have a huge list of shows to fill the rest of the schedule. And they haven&#8217;t been doing too well with new shows either. They&#8217;d be better off keeping existing shows that are getting alright ratings, if not great.</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, I have never seen NBC acknowledge failure.  I&#039;ve seen that industry insiders consider them a failure, with very much validity to that point.  What NBC is doing, IMHO, is attempting to achieve success despite low Nielsen ratings, rather than defining success by Nielsen ratings.  

Desperation?  Perhaps.  But they&#039;re not desperate for higher ratings.  They&#039;re desperate for profit. Mikey&#039;s post above put it very succinctly - &quot;most efficient&quot; rather than &quot;highest rated.&quot;  

As long as enough advertisers pay enough money to turn a profit, then NBC is not really a failure.  They&#039;re only a failure if advertisers stop buying.  From the Variety article - they advertisers have stopped buying on every network, not just NBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, I have never seen NBC acknowledge failure.  I&#8217;ve seen that industry insiders consider them a failure, with very much validity to that point.  What NBC is doing, IMHO, is attempting to achieve success despite low Nielsen ratings, rather than defining success by Nielsen ratings.  </p>
<p>Desperation?  Perhaps.  But they&#8217;re not desperate for higher ratings.  They&#8217;re desperate for profit. Mikey&#8217;s post above put it very succinctly &#8211; &#8220;most efficient&#8221; rather than &#8220;highest rated.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As long as enough advertisers pay enough money to turn a profit, then NBC is not really a failure.  They&#8217;re only a failure if advertisers stop buying.  From the Variety article &#8211; they advertisers have stopped buying on every network, not just NBC.</p>
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		<title>By: SFluxe &#187; Living Well in San Francisco &#187; Winners And Losers Of The Jay Leno Switch [Television]</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFluxe &#187; Living Well in San Francisco &#187; Winners And Losers Of The Jay Leno Switch [Television]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zucker&#8212;the NBC president gets to fill up almost a quarter of his weekly primetime schedule with a talk show and a proven star&#8212;which will come much [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zucker&mdash;the NBC president gets to fill up almost a quarter of his weekly primetime schedule with a talk show and a proven star&mdash;which will come much [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The more I read this post and your previous Zucker post, the more I’m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well…pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success.&quot;

I somewhat agree. This move virtually guarantees that NBC will finish last among the major networks in the A18-49 race every year that they strip Leno. It would take a massive, American Idol-sized hit show to prevent them from being a perennial fourth. Yet they&#039;ve decided to do this anyway.

They clearly are focusing on &quot;most efficient&quot; rather than &quot;highest-rated&quot;

I think it&#039;s optimistic to think that Leno will continue to average a 5 share in the demo at 10pm. Competition will be exponentially tougher. I&#039;m sure there will be a novelty dividend in the first one or two months but I suspect this thing will settle at more like a 3 share in the demo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The more I read this post and your previous Zucker post, the more I’m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well…pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success.&#8221;</p>
<p>I somewhat agree. This move virtually guarantees that NBC will finish last among the major networks in the A18-49 race every year that they strip Leno. It would take a massive, American Idol-sized hit show to prevent them from being a perennial fourth. Yet they&#8217;ve decided to do this anyway.</p>
<p>They clearly are focusing on &#8220;most efficient&#8221; rather than &#8220;highest-rated&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s optimistic to think that Leno will continue to average a 5 share in the demo at 10pm. Competition will be exponentially tougher. I&#8217;m sure there will be a novelty dividend in the first one or two months but I suspect this thing will settle at more like a 3 share in the demo.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So leaving 17 hours to program, here is what I can come up with for keeping:

Chuck - 1 hour
Heroes - 1 hour
Office - 30 mins
30 Rock - 30 mins
Earl - 30 mins
Law &amp; Order: SVU - 1 hour

That leaves 12.5 hours to go.  I guess you can knock out some hours with 
Sunday Night Football in the fall.  But where does that leave you???

Does Medium return???  Does Life get a 3rd chance??  What about the few new shows coming -- Amy Poehler&#039;s show???  The &quot;I already believe there is no chance in hell this show suceeds&quot; Knights???  What are they going to move Burn Notice over from USA???

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for NBC.  Ben is as good as bye-bye.  And someone is going to have to find some quality shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So leaving 17 hours to program, here is what I can come up with for keeping:</p>
<p>Chuck &#8211; 1 hour<br />
Heroes &#8211; 1 hour<br />
Office &#8211; 30 mins<br />
30 Rock &#8211; 30 mins<br />
Earl &#8211; 30 mins<br />
Law &amp; Order: SVU &#8211; 1 hour</p>
<p>That leaves 12.5 hours to go.  I guess you can knock out some hours with<br />
Sunday Night Football in the fall.  But where does that leave you???</p>
<p>Does Medium return???  Does Life get a 3rd chance??  What about the few new shows coming &#8212; Amy Poehler&#8217;s show???  The &#8220;I already believe there is no chance in hell this show suceeds&#8221; Knights???  What are they going to move Burn Notice over from USA???</p>
<p>I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for NBC.  Ben is as good as bye-bye.  And someone is going to have to find some quality shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;he more I’m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well…pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success. &lt;/i&gt;

No they aren&#039;t. What you see here is NBC desperately trying to do anything because they are acknowledging that they are failing at the TV business because their Nielsen ratings suck. How is this NBC ignoring that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he more I’m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well…pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success. </i></p>
<p>No they aren&#8217;t. What you see here is NBC desperately trying to do anything because they are acknowledging that they are failing at the TV business because their Nielsen ratings suck. How is this NBC ignoring that?</p>
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		<title>By: Outlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrible move on all sides.  First, I think Leno will cannibalize Conan&#039;s audience.  Few people will watch two hours of variety programming at night.  They&#039;ll either watch Leno or Conan, but not both.

Second, Leno did a good job in his tenure as Late Night host, and in some respects went out &quot;on top.&quot;  He dominated Letterman in the ratings and while he wasn&#039;t as good as Johnny Carson, he certainly did a respectable job and never made himself or NBC the target of significant controversy.  (Unlike Letterman, who has repeatedly acted like a jerk and has turned off large portions of his audience by being excessively liberal and/or mean-spirited).  But now he&#039;s going to be associated with a boondoggle, which will just tarnish his brand on his way into retirement.  

Third, NBC is going to get pwned by doing this.  The fact that Leno couldn&#039;t appreciably raise his ratings during November Sweeps shows you that he has a very stagnant audience.  Why is that audience going to double at 10:00?  Simply because there are more total viewers at 10:00?  If they are going for &quot;default viewers,&quot; NBC may as well just air encores of its more popular shows at 10:00.
Les Moonves is definitely doing the snoopy dance right about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrible move on all sides.  First, I think Leno will cannibalize Conan&#8217;s audience.  Few people will watch two hours of variety programming at night.  They&#8217;ll either watch Leno or Conan, but not both.</p>
<p>Second, Leno did a good job in his tenure as Late Night host, and in some respects went out &#8220;on top.&#8221;  He dominated Letterman in the ratings and while he wasn&#8217;t as good as Johnny Carson, he certainly did a respectable job and never made himself or NBC the target of significant controversy.  (Unlike Letterman, who has repeatedly acted like a jerk and has turned off large portions of his audience by being excessively liberal and/or mean-spirited).  But now he&#8217;s going to be associated with a boondoggle, which will just tarnish his brand on his way into retirement.  </p>
<p>Third, NBC is going to get pwned by doing this.  The fact that Leno couldn&#8217;t appreciably raise his ratings during November Sweeps shows you that he has a very stagnant audience.  Why is that audience going to double at 10:00?  Simply because there are more total viewers at 10:00?  If they are going for &#8220;default viewers,&#8221; NBC may as well just air encores of its more popular shows at 10:00.<br />
Les Moonves is definitely doing the snoopy dance right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read this post and your previous Zucker post, the more I&#039;m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well...pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success.  The Leno option could be good, as long as you can sell the advertisers on it.  With lower programming costs, the ad rates might not need to be at prime-time premium levels in order to turn a profit.  Ad buyers may see a bargain there. 

NBC just might find a way to cut ad rates way low here.  Provided the advertisers can be &quot;sold&quot; on the idea that enough eyeballs are wathcing their ads, they just might buy into the operation.  How many eyeballs is &quot;enough,&quot; though?  Who shall define that metric?

If I had to buy an ad spot in the 10pm hour, how much would I pay per million potential viewers?  What&#039;s my cost-benefit structure, and all that jazz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read this post and your previous Zucker post, the more I&#8217;m thinking that NBC is the first network in a while that is, well&#8230;pretty much ignoring Nielsen ratings as a metric of success.  The Leno option could be good, as long as you can sell the advertisers on it.  With lower programming costs, the ad rates might not need to be at prime-time premium levels in order to turn a profit.  Ad buyers may see a bargain there. </p>
<p>NBC just might find a way to cut ad rates way low here.  Provided the advertisers can be &#8220;sold&#8221; on the idea that enough eyeballs are wathcing their ads, they just might buy into the operation.  How many eyeballs is &#8220;enough,&#8221; though?  Who shall define that metric?</p>
<p>If I had to buy an ad spot in the 10pm hour, how much would I pay per million potential viewers?  What&#8217;s my cost-benefit structure, and all that jazz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: clutz12001</title>
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		<dc:creator>clutz12001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more, NBC seems to be the first network to follow a path foreshadowed in this Variety article:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996347.html?categoryid=14&amp;cs=1

Is the Jay Leno option a baby step in the &quot;drop an hour&quot; direction?  Excerpt from the linked article:
&quot;Among the possible scenarios: One of the traditional major nets -- ABC, NBC or CBS -- could mirror the Fox sked and drop an hour of primetime, airing only from 8 to 10 p.m. (or perhaps 9 to 11 p.m.) and return that extra hour to the affiliates.&quot;

The Jay Leno option keeps the hour within the networks, maybe easing the process more than an outright return of the hour to affiliates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more, NBC seems to be the first network to follow a path foreshadowed in this Variety article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996347.html?categoryid=14&#038;cs=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996347.html?categoryid=14&#038;cs=1</a></p>
<p>Is the Jay Leno option a baby step in the &#8220;drop an hour&#8221; direction?  Excerpt from the linked article:<br />
&#8220;Among the possible scenarios: One of the traditional major nets &#8212; ABC, NBC or CBS &#8212; could mirror the Fox sked and drop an hour of primetime, airing only from 8 to 10 p.m. (or perhaps 9 to 11 p.m.) and return that extra hour to the affiliates.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Jay Leno option keeps the hour within the networks, maybe easing the process more than an outright return of the hour to affiliates.</p>
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		<title>By: RViewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RViewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow great move NBC, now you made sure I will not watch your Network at 10h00pm!

I can&#039;t believe this network used to have shows like Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, E.R, Homicide: Life on the Street...how pathetic they have become...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow great move NBC, now you made sure I will not watch your Network at 10h00pm!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe this network used to have shows like Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, E.R, Homicide: Life on the Street&#8230;how pathetic they have become&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC has fallen far from its glory days of the 80s and 90s. Of course GE and the NBC juggernaut has gone downhill. Is it bad karma for GE helping Iran with its nuclear program? Probably not, but its gratifying to see a network that has been taken over by left wing extremists and wacko environmentalists biting the dust on all fronts.((MSNBC, NBC news is the worst of the lot)though alot of what they do is &quot;greenwashing&quot;).  The other networks are moving left too, but at least they know what viewers want to watch.  Granted I dont watch much network TV these days, with its endless crime, legal, game, singing, dancing shows - but that is what viewers want.

Wasting money keeping alive shows like Friday Night Lights for sentimental reasons is another reason why NBC has gone into the crapper. 

How will Leno do at 10pm? Considering where NBC is right now, they could do worse. The ratings will be interesting to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC has fallen far from its glory days of the 80s and 90s. Of course GE and the NBC juggernaut has gone downhill. Is it bad karma for GE helping Iran with its nuclear program? Probably not, but its gratifying to see a network that has been taken over by left wing extremists and wacko environmentalists biting the dust on all fronts.((MSNBC, NBC news is the worst of the lot)though alot of what they do is &#8220;greenwashing&#8221;).  The other networks are moving left too, but at least they know what viewers want to watch.  Granted I dont watch much network TV these days, with its endless crime, legal, game, singing, dancing shows &#8211; but that is what viewers want.</p>
<p>Wasting money keeping alive shows like Friday Night Lights for sentimental reasons is another reason why NBC has gone into the crapper. </p>
<p>How will Leno do at 10pm? Considering where NBC is right now, they could do worse. The ratings will be interesting to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news to CBS and ABC!

When they see that Tonight show have failed at 10 pm, they will replace this for local programming.

the cbs crime dramas at 10pm should improve a millions without the competion of L&amp;O.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news to CBS and ABC!</p>
<p>When they see that Tonight show have failed at 10 pm, they will replace this for local programming.</p>
<p>the cbs crime dramas at 10pm should improve a millions without the competion of L&amp;O.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I picture this new Leno show being one big NBC love fest?  &quot;Next on Leno...the cast of Heroes talks about tommorrow&#039;s episode!&quot; 

But hey, I guess they got to do something. Good luck on those key demos. (unless this is a nod to David E. Kelly&#039;s cut to Madison Ave. from last night BL finale. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I picture this new Leno show being one big NBC love fest?  &#8220;Next on Leno&#8230;the cast of Heroes talks about tommorrow&#8217;s episode!&#8221; </p>
<p>But hey, I guess they got to do something. Good luck on those key demos. (unless this is a nod to David E. Kelly&#8217;s cut to Madison Ave. from last night BL finale. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally shocked. I thought Leno was going and it might have been better for him in the long run. He could potentially be going up against dramas and counter programming from the other networks that could end up killing his show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally shocked. I thought Leno was going and it might have been better for him in the long run. He could potentially be going up against dramas and counter programming from the other networks that could end up killing his show.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris the TV Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris the TV Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, geez, Chuck fans, cool your jets. It is far too early for you to start with that stuff.

I&#039;m planning on starting to watch the show on Hulu over the Hoidays, but if an annoying &quot;save our show from eval NBC!!1!&quot; drive takes over this site, I won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, geez, Chuck fans, cool your jets. It is far too early for you to start with that stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m planning on starting to watch the show on Hulu over the Hoidays, but if an annoying &#8220;save our show from eval NBC!!1!&#8221; drive takes over this site, I won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say Earl is pretty safe.  That Amy Poehler sitcom is coming in April, and they&#039;re going to need a fourth comedy in that lineup, assuming they shitcan Kath &amp; Kim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say Earl is pretty safe.  That Amy Poehler sitcom is coming in April, and they&#8217;re going to need a fourth comedy in that lineup, assuming they shitcan Kath &amp; Kim.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who enjoys intelligent, entertaining, scripted television, this is perhaps the worst programming news ever. I don&#039;t have a lot of interest in watching Leno now and that won&#039;t change when he&#039;s on at 10. 

I was rooting for Life and Chuck to make the cut for another year, but I have to wonder now if they are both goners. (I know things were already looking somewhat questionable for Life.) If &quot;characters&quot; really are &quot;welcome&quot;, maybe these shows can head over to the USA Network. (?) 

Regardless, if Universal hopes to keep people from just giving those viewing hours over to CBS &amp; ABC shows, then I hope USA, Sci-Fi, Bravo, etc., programming has some attractive options because the 23% Leno Solution is no solution at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who enjoys intelligent, entertaining, scripted television, this is perhaps the worst programming news ever. I don&#8217;t have a lot of interest in watching Leno now and that won&#8217;t change when he&#8217;s on at 10. </p>
<p>I was rooting for Life and Chuck to make the cut for another year, but I have to wonder now if they are both goners. (I know things were already looking somewhat questionable for Life.) If &#8220;characters&#8221; really are &#8220;welcome&#8221;, maybe these shows can head over to the USA Network. (?) </p>
<p>Regardless, if Universal hopes to keep people from just giving those viewing hours over to CBS &amp; ABC shows, then I hope USA, Sci-Fi, Bravo, etc., programming has some attractive options because the 23% Leno Solution is no solution at all.</p>
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