That is wrong. Evidence shows that people are watchin more TV than ever.

I did not say TSCC has a good chance to renew. I did not say I am ignoring the numbers that TSCC is in great danger… So I don’t understand, why are you repeating yourselves? Are you retarded?

I was simply saying that there is no reason for you to keep saying the ratings of the show are horrible and how much you are sure it will be canceled. No one cares, just shut up already?

You are welcome to comment on “the ratings this week indicate ______”
You are welcome to comment on “the show needs to achieve at least ____ million viewers to have a chance at season 3″

Someone will care. But no one is going “so you guys think it will be canceled?” So why are you answering that question constantly? We already know the show is most likely going to be canceled… That doesn’t mean the show has 0 chance of being renewed.

Share news, don’t be a the deliverer of the obvious.

And YOUUU are factually incorrect:::
TSCC WAS one of the TOP shows on Fox, at the premiere of Season 2. As well as a later episode. It bled viewers yes, but only about a million from the premiere level, which is not surprising.

There were so many other shows available, and people have been watching less TV ever since the writer’s strike season. Online viewership is higher than ever, especially after the writer’s strike. These are all factors that say to an executive “things are not the way it seems.” The measuring stick has changed. And it would be absurd for researchers at a network to ignore these facts.

I suspect a fairly substantial number of T:SCC viewers are people who are waiting for closure rather than people who look forward to it every week. My wife and I are certainly part of the former group and of the people we know personally, the same view prevails. It’s unfortunate.

Does anyone know the half-hourly figures for T:SCC this week? Did it gain or lose substantial numbers of viewers as it ran?

It doesn’t matter if you like a show. This is a website about ratings. About profit and loss. If you’re invested emotionally in a TV show, you’re probably in the wrong place.

Jonathan that’s just factually incorrect.

The only point in time that TSCC was a top show on Fox was during its first season when it was the only show on television and even then it somehow managed to bleed viewers on a weekly basis, which is a somewhat impressive achievement. However at no point during its second season was TSCC one of Fox’s top shows, the opposite is in fact true – it was (and remains) one of their worst performing shows of the season.

Having said that if you want to continue to hope that TSCC is renewed and if you wish to continue to state that hope then go for it but don’t expect others who disagree to simply sit on their hands. If you want to post that you think the show could come back you have to accept that others are going to post that it won’t.

In terms of what TSCC needs to get renewed as has been said already – it needs a miracle. There are a handful of episodes left and across those episodes it needs to go up a point in the demo but even then I wouldn’t promise a pick-up for a third season. At this point TSCC has sunk too low for too long to make it a worthwhile investment for Fox. Especially as its not ‘their’ show.

It took me a while but I know where you’re coming from. Like you I had massive expectations when I saw the pilot of TSCC. I was misled and thought it would be about the fight between man and machine. It seems it’s a one woman show. Like the name says The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Huge mistake.

They should’ve centered it around John Connor and\or Cameron against Skynet. I still don’t know about Dekker but Glau is an incredibly talented actress and you don’t bench your star quarterback! Some episodes have her standing around somewhere in the background saying nothing. Add that she has 2 minutes of screentime in like 3 episodes or something and you get the drift. Josh Friedman can make a succesfull Terminator show but he needs to be pushed to do the right things, not come to terms with his own illness and set that in the show.

Summer Glau, you are better than this.

Jonathan, welcome to reality, we’ve been waiting for you. oh wait.. thats not right.. you still think tscc might get renewed.. never mind.

“I’ll re-iterate once again for people who can’t read: TSCC is one of only FOUR shows I even bother to watch”

Does this get you a decoder ring or something?

What you apparently need a reality check about even more than TSCC renewel prospects is your attitude on the internet. The internet is not your save space and you do not get to set the rules of interaction most places.

If TSCC ending is really compareble to the end of the world to you and you cannot know about it, then don’t fricking seek out ratings discussions. Stay on fan boards or better yet far far away from the internet.

So to answer your question – why aren’t more people watching it? – well, it isn’t good. Not even okay. It’s just bad.

I’ve made recommendations for the show to be improved all season long on the TSCC sites. So did other fans. The complaints were obvious.

Friedman didn’t give a damn – he had his game plan and he executed it until apparently somebody at Fox told him the show was dead if he kept executing it.

So he crammed as much of the recommendations as he could into, what, the last three or four episodes, in a desperate attempt to keep the show alive?

So now the show is dead. It has nothing to do with bashing, it has to do with clowns like you who come on here and proclaim it’s NOT dead based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I’ll re-iterate once again for people who can’t read: TSCC is one of only FOUR shows I even bother to watch (the other three are Fringe, Leverage and Dollhouse). And I have to download it to do that – not just flip on the TV or the DVR. The show has occupied a massive amount of my time since it debuted – in fact, before then, since I downloaded the original pilot months before. I eagerly awaited every episode during season one. I eagerly awaited the first episode of season two. I eagerly awaited every episode of season two – until it started to develop serious problems. Even then, I watched every episode hoping Josh would surprise me and deal with the problems.

Didn’t happen. The show got worse and worse.

And now we find out from Josh’s Wired article that he never DID get what Terminator was about. For him, it was all about “mortality” and cancer because he had cancer. It was ALWAYS a “family drama” for him. Nothing else mattered.

And that’s why the show bombed. Because it was never Terminator except for more or less nine episodes in season one. And had it gone 22 episodes in season one, it would have died in season one and probably never been renewed for season two.

So, yes, I’m pissed off. I’m pissed off that one of my favorite shows, a show with the potential to be the biggest hit on television and set the bar for sci-fi on broadcast TV for the next decade, was turned into crap and canceled.

And it pisses me off that a bunch of morons cheered that on because THEY didn’t get what Terminator was about, or they didn’t want to seem like they weren’t mindless supporters of whatever Josh decided to stuff down their throats.

Which is why I don’t call myself a “fan” of anything, because it’s just such behavior that gives being a “fan” of anything a bad name.

It doesn’t speak to C3 per se, but last Friday’s episode left me wondering whether Remote-Free might be a double-edged sword. It seemed to come on as a jumble, and between washing a few forks (the TV’s in the kitchen) and stepping out to cop a square during the breaks, halfway through I realized I didn’t really know what was going on.

Well, I thought, I can always rewatch it on-line. Shortly thereafter, it occurred to me that I had already blown seven hours in exchange for a few entertaining moments in the form of Harry Lennix, and I tossed the project out the figurative window.

The point isn’t so much to knock on Dollhouse as it is to speculate whether the demand placed upon the viewer by the Remote-Free treatment might actually serve to speed the exodus of viewers from any given show that isn’t perceived as living up to its end of the bargain.

But I do believe you’re missing a component. While Joss Whedon is a great writer, his shows can be extremely strange or odd. Dollhouse is beyond the most strange show I have ever seen/heard of other than maybe 4400 or Heroes… And shows like this are way too strange to keep a sustained audience.

On the other hand, while Star Trek, Star Wars, are also quite strange, it isn’t as far fetched as we think, in distant futures.

A positive person would say “TSCC needs ____ to be renewed”, instead all you keep saying and repeating and repeating like a bunch of bots is “TSCC is dead, it had HORRIBLE ratings Monday it had HORRIBLE RATINGS NOW ITS DEAD DIE DAMNIT!” It’s like you win a bet or something when you are proven correct. Regardless, everyone hates you. (Most of my comments refer to RHS and Julia)

Seriously, I’m not commenting on here on how bad I think Dollhouse is, even though I’ve been a long time fan of Whedon… I’m not here commenting on how this or that show will get canceled for sure… Why bother? Who’s gonna care?

This is like predicting the end of the world… Even if you’re right, why would anyone want to know if there is nothing they can do about it? Hence, why “Knowing” is such a critical flop (though made lotta money because people thought there was hope).

I think both Dollhouse and TSCC have a chance. All you people do is speculate. You know it’s easy to cancel comedy shows and sitcoms, it happens all the time, scripted shows can be improved, sitcoms cannot easily be improved. If JF made a secret deal with Fox about creative direction of the next season, and so they agreed to allow another season, you wouldn’t know… So what’s your point of speculating?

Is there an email from the angels telling you “QUICK JULIA/RICHARD-STEVEN-HACKS YOU MUST WARN THE PEOPLE AND FANS OF DOLLHOUSE AND TSCC THAT THE SHOW WILL BE CANCELED, YOU MUST INFORM THEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!! PS: Be sure to emphasize they cannot stop it and nothing they can do about it!”

So please look in a mirror, and the next time you post a comment think “does anyone really want this speculation and negative opinion from me?”

Furthermore, before Season 2 break… TSCC was one of TOPPPPPPPP SHOWS on Fox. Relative rankings were: 5th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 7th… And with such a LOWWWWW sample, they had a break of 2 weeks then another break of 1 week, a complete audience disconnect… And just as it was building up back to it’s previous state, they made a TWWWWWOOOOO MONTH BREAK, and the show continued on Friday.
The fact that the show has even had 3.7 mil people still watching it, was a MIRACLE.

Also – “We would like to renew DOLLHOUSE.” Where’s that from?

In terms of DOLLHOUSE news, I’ve got one bit – the sets are still up. I checked. FOX have shot an episode of BONES on them, and a pilot, but they’ve asked the sets remain on the soundstage. So they’re clearly waiting it out some more.

Sans remote free I do not think Dollhouse’s C3 ratings would be disproportionately better than average as they are WITH remote free. You seem to agree with that. Where we disagree is that you don’t seem to think that matters. For similar reasons as Julia, I do think it matters. A lot!

http://www.ifmagazine.com/review.asp?article=3133
DOLLHOUSE has thankfully found its way. Let’s hope it wasn’t too late. The ratings have been pretty good and creatively it’s hitting its stride, so let’s hope by finally getting invested in the show, Fox doesn’t pull the plug just as its getting pretty damn good. Boy would that make so many of us REALLY angry!

“We would like to renew DOLLHOUSE.”

There you have it. So the 1.3 didn’t matter. I didn’t think it would. They want the show to trend up.

Was this week bleeding or NCAA Tourney? Since they expected a drop last week (and this week) because of the Tourney, there is no way to know for sure.

If it gets a 1.3 or 1.4 this week, it’s dead, whether or not they would like to renew it. I said before getting a 1.4 is a death sign unless it trends back up. Nothing has changed.

Robert, I’m not that stupid. You know it. C3 matters. Period. What is causing the bump is pointless, it gets the bump. FRINGE gets the same benefit of being a top 20 show in the demos, because of the bump. DOLLHOUSE gets a bump too. Yes, yes, REMOTE FREE TV is the cause. It doesn’t matter. It gets the bump. It has higher brand retention. That is more important than anything else.

Plus I heard the show actually finished with a 1.4 for Friday Night in finals. Not sure if that is correct, but what I heard.

At what point did I speculate on future numbers? My point was very simply (and has been made a couple of times now) TSCC did not grow this week. I know this to be a fact because I have the ability to recognise when numbers are the same. Allow me to demonstrate

This week TSCC scored a 1.3
Last week TSCC scored a 1.3

Perhaps its just me that sees this but those numbers are in fact the same and since the numbers are the same TSCC did not grow this week. As I said it grew for three weeks and then stopped – this week being the stop since the numbers are the same.

And allow me to pre-empt your reply with this response – total viewers are meaningless.

Michael, this is also a speculation, and i do not think that fox accepts such a deal if TSSC’s ratings werent good enough…

Alex, how could you say that it stopped. do you have the numbers for next week? Do you have an ability to see next weeks numbers?

No.

It hasn’t grown three weeks running and it hasn’t gone up three weeks running. It grew for three weeks and then stopped. It went up for three weeks and then stopped.