TSCC’s popularity in terms of Torrent downloads is meaningless to FOX renewing it. While there are those who ascribe to the theory that Torrent downloads indicate DVD popularity (I don’t have any opinion on that), since Warner Brothers already knows how the season one DVD performed, its DVD sales (which apparently were not great — not awful, but not great enough for Warner Bros to give the show away to FOX) are probably a better indicator of future DVD sales for WB than torrent downloads.

The last two episodes were fantastic and while I feel the finale was a satisfying end to the series, I am left wanting more.

Now sure they could edit it by the time it goes into production, but the current artwork says it’s Season One. The point is FOX is still considering it enough to release that with that heading. I hear now the future of DOLLHOUSE is tied to the future of REPLAY TV. Which is likely why Joss is doubtful of the return of the show.

The other shows I actually watched on TV are long gone. Firefly, Dresden Files and Deadwood. Not to worry though. I’m switching all my entertainment gear to get everything over the net. Ill watch what I want when I want and will purge reality TV from my life FOREVER.

Anyway, I love TSCC and I hope it has a miracle, but lets be honest… that was an awesome finale cos it was so out there, but I can’t see them holding a show together on the plot line I see laid out for it. So perhaps cancellation will be a blessing in (really heavy) disguise.

If you want to save certain shows maybe start a chain email with the viewing dates n times to everyone you know including grandparents to watch them and try to get the ratings up before the season ends. Maybe then that will bring enough viewers not to cancel that show. Just a thought

Everything else is safe…..

Religion is a good guess. If the religion is $cientology. Because they were more like a cult. They even had a Jim Jones type ring leader — “Leeser.” Since like most herds, they were unable to think for themselves, they needed to get verification from “Leeser” first to find out if the sky was blue or the grass was green. They were asking “Leeser” for confirmation on whether the “rumors” were true that “Moonlight” was cancelled… a WEEK after the upfronts. The saddest part? “Leeser” solicited donations from them to “save” the show. They sent “Leeser” lots of money. “Leeser” ran off with it, never to be heard from again.

Did I say sad? I meant hilarious.

How many times do Bill and Robert have to point that out to people?

How incredibly rude. You just can’t make the change without taking a jab at the show can you?

No wonder this place is a sham. You can’t even keep your bias to yourself.

Wrong, it’s the SEASON finale. You need to change that. You are posting inaccurate information.

Uhm, Boris, exactly what content did that post of yours have? I THINK it was a slam at fan-fic, but I’m not sure since it was too arty to parse.

I haven’t read almost any TSCC fan-fic (other than the porn ones, of course!) but I suspect some of it is better than most of the scripts the writers turned in.

“I never said Josh Friedman didn’t do a few good things – casting Summer Glau as a female Terminator was a stroke of genius on his part. Unfortunately he never understood the potential of the character fully.”

I’m sure everyone breathes more easily in the knowledge that the Unblemished Light of Full Understanding is safely protected within the unassailable Basement of FAN-FIC.

I guess you havent noticed that Fringe has been off the air for more then a month and a half twice this season.

I do take it as a given that House will be back next year because it’s a ratings juggernaut.

There are a lot of unstable TV viewers out there along the lines of “I won’t believe Dollhouse is canceled until Joss Whedon hold a press conferences saying that it is.”

After “Moonlight,” I despise rabid TV fans. It’s like instead of a religion, they have a TV show. I don’t know what is missing in these people’s lives, but they use a TV show to fill in the space. It’s not just pathetic. It’s also kind of scary. I’m genuinely frightened by those people.

So, ABC providing formal notice for “Life on Mars” is just going to reinforce the expectation among some of these people that their poorly watched TV show deserves some sort of formal death notice and that nothing is really over until that happens. Even if they get it, they immediately begin praying to DirecTV, SciFi, or whatever to provide a biblical resurrection for their show.

If you were to provide a link to what you claim was an “offical announcement,” I would probably be looking at a HR or Variety article stating that “Life on Mars” had been canceled.

Not exactly an “offical announcement” from ABC, is it?

Keep looking, Holly. If you need a clue on finding a network public cancellation notice, here’s a hint:

Networks distribute them to the media by placing them on pots of gold at the end of rainbows. The leprechauns are employed to read the notices.

Don’t believe me? The leprechaun that reads the NBC cancellation notices lives in Mobile, Alabama – http://cellfish.com/video/99726/Leprechaun-in-Mobile-AL

Dollhouse is edge of your seat viewing? come on WORST SHOW EVER MORE LIKE!!!!!

Then again, I think all this “Dollhouse will return” hinting is just PR designed to protect the cost premium on the remote-free advertising rates for the show. Once the new Fox management settles in, Dollhouse will be quietly dropped at the upfront.

Already done.

Call me delusional, but I don’t care, because I firmly believe this show has a bright future ahead of it and there is no way WB will file it away forever. And Richard, didn’t Catherine Weaver kill you already?

This is a premise that is conceptually related to that of the first season of “Prison Break”: A man breaks into a prison to free his brother.

That is, both premises do not have the advantage of being friendly to stand-alone episodes. If your premise of a show is “crew in a wandering space ship gets in adventures!” or “Teens fight forces of evil!” then you can probably construct many, many self-contained episodes.

Therefore, to retain audiences, a show like Prison Break or Dollhouse should open as strongly as possible and keep that momentum going. Prison Break opened like this. So did Lost.

Dollhouse, with its premise that’s unfriendly to self-contained episodes, decided to open very slowly and mundanely. What we have so far–8 episodes–has touched remarkably little on what’s on the audiences mind: When will Echo wake up/escape?

Worse still, it tried to have self-contained episodes out of Echo’s missions. This person is rented out…it’s bad that they’re rented out…but they will get into an adventure that is exciting to viewers…but then their memory will be erased, so none of it will have mattered. Firstly, the “adventures” of Echo were not exciting. I don’t think the writers could even have made them exciting! They were supposed to be backround material, not any sort of substance.

If you are average Joe just stumbling on something like that, you might finish an episode but not care to return for the next: You’ve received neither the satisfaction of a CSI/Law and Order type of neatly wrapped episode nor have you experienced the sort of exciting serialized storytelling of 24 or Prison Break.

A fair amount of people tuned in for the premiere of this show…but the series is dropping like a rock. Essentially, Whedon wanted to have the season be a prelude to much meatier stuff, but this is truly like “Lost” opening months before the plane crash and the viewer being made to wait for the Island while he’s forced to sit through the substance of the flashbacks of the first two seasons. Hey, you might be exposed to some interesting storytelling there, but you’d much rather get to the Island.

Though I watched TSCC from the beginning, I really didnt fall in love with it and mostly watch it just to see how it ends up. A better idea for a series would have been John Conner and the early days of him building the resistance after the end of T3 leading into T4. This would likely only work on SCI-FI channel where its viewers would be more attracted to a show with darker themes like BSG had. FX also might have worked since FOX own that network.

TSCC had way too much time travel, muddled pointless plots (Jesse and suicide girl) and seemed to be wandering around aimlessly much of the time. It was a decent show, better than most of the junk on TV these days, but I cant say I will miss it.

If Josh had completely ignored T3, T:SCC would have been a much better series. T:SCC needed a believable John, a likeable Sarah, and something to keep you watching every week other than “How is this trainwreck going to resolve itself?” I thought it said a lot about how bad things had gotten that the show could do three episodes concentrating on the leading character and (a) most people came away with the opposite view to that intended by the writers and (b) everyone felt it was a mistake and the series lost viewers as a result.

If you can’t actually make episodes about your main character, you’re in trouble.

I’m fairly depressed about T:SCC. It deserves to be canceled, and would even outside of the criteria set by TBTN – eg, it’d deserve to be canceled even if it had House like ratings. It’s just an awful, awful, series, and it started off (after a few duds) showing some very real promise. I think the people involved are very talented, but they can’t put everything together in a way that leaves you with a watchable show.

I can’t say the same for Dollhouse. Since the sixth episode it’s been superb, edge of the seat, can’t turn your eyes away, TV goodness, and I’m disappointed it’s also doing poorly in the ratings. I suspect the week hiatus will probably kill it once and for all.

See, yet another clue as to what you don’t understand…

> “They have a “John Connor Chronicles” – it’s called “Terminator: Salvation”.”

I wouldn’t put too much hope into that movie yet… But would be happy to be proven wrong. Either way, I still rather have a tv-show that can last and build on the original creation of James Cameron.

I was happy that Friedman completely ignored T3 btw…

Regarding TSCC, it’s a pity if it does end but at least we got to see Derek on screen, albeit briefly, unlike what happened with Kutner on House this week.

Anyone know what Fringe’s figures were for last night’s awesome comeback episode? If Fringe doesn’t get renewed, I will be shocked because with BG ended and Eureka on hiatus, it’s arguably the best sci-fi-ish show on TV at the moment.