I’m in the UK and LOVE Dollhouse. My family in Ireland LOVE Dollhouse. I have many, MANY friends here in England who are addicted to DH, and it’s not even aired on a UK network yet.

SCC was ok. But I stopped watching about two or three episodes into season two, just because I missed it one week and never EVER felt the compulsion to catch up. I just ended up…not giving a damn about any of the non-Glau characters. A shame, but there it is.

Dollhouse on the other hand… I was setting alarms on Saturday mornings to get the next stream as quickly as possible, I ended up that hooked. If it had been canceled i’d have been distraught.

This is great, GREAT news. Never thought i’d say this, but…

…thank you Fox.

That felt weird.

You’re missing the point. Friedman’s job as show runner is to insure the show stays on the air making money for the network and thus the studio he works for.

He failed on all counts. He was TOLD by Fox not to do those slow moving Sarah episodes in the back nine. He did it anyway.

I really feel towards the end – especially having seen that hideous finale – that he and the writers really intended to “burn down the frakkin’ barn” as he put in on his blog. In other words, deliberately sabotage the show so no one else could pick it up and do anything with it.

That finale really does that. They nail down so much stuff in that finale in a way that makes zero sense but prevents anybody from modifying the show in a season 3 to make more sense. It really strikes me as deliberate sabotage.

This is why I say only a total reboot of the show – as if TSCC never existed – can possibly enable WB to get a Terminator show on the air between Terminator movies. And I do think WB wants that. It would be smart of them to do that, good PR.

But Friedman ruined it. If WB doesn’t blacklist his butt, I’ll be very surprised.

So get a grip.

This was always a long shot, and wether Friedman deceived you or not should be completely irrelevant to a decision of a fanbase to campaign for a show to get renewed.

Again, it’s subjective. You have no way of knowing you’re right, I have no way of knowing I’m right. I saw the video and I saw the question, I saw Summer’s face, and I drew different conclusions. Unless one of us is a mind reader, we have no way of knowing who’s right and we both presented reasoned arguments that explain her reaction. Ultimately neither you nor I will know the truth of this.

Nick C., Summer said she had the movie offer already at FedCOn in Germany 2 weeks ago, when she said she didn’t know TSCC’s fate. I know I’m being a real pain here, but I’d really appreciate it if you could tell me the project. As you can imagine I’m feeling pretty badly right now and I just want some scrap of good news to hold on to. Summer seemed really enthusiastic about the movie in her interview and I’d just like to know what it is. Could you find out? Please?

Yes.

Has the show gone from 19 million viewers to 3 million viewers under his care?

Yes.

Who do you blame?”

I’m not looking to blame anyone. I know ratings and quality aren’t always related. Dancing with the Stars gets huge ratings, which I’ll never understand.

I know some didn’t like the Sarah arc. I did, outside “The Good Wound.” I don’t really get saying that Friedman squandered chances. He wanted to tell those stories, and so did the writers. That’s about all you can ask of anyone. If you’re making a show you’re not interested in, what’s the point? It’s certainly the right of people not to like it, or to want more action.

As far as I’m concerned, TSCC and Lost are the best sci-fi shows since X-Files. I admit it tripped up here and there (the 3 dots stuff)but all shows have ups and downs. Even Lost did in Season 3. I don’t understand what else people wanted out of it, given the limited budget.

I’m from Portugal.
I follow Dollhouse.
So, Dollhouse has international following.

Also, it’s a new show. I mean, you can’t compare a show that’s been around for 3 years with a show that just got here. Give it time.

I think Eliza is cool, but really we’re talking about putting someone on the show who would seriously detract from the show being Eliza’s vehicle – which IS what the show was supposed to be. As someone else pointed out, even having Amy Acker, who is very popular, on the show only works because the role is minor. And as I pointed out, you couldn’t put Summer in a minor role in that show because 1) the fans wouldn’t like it, and 2) neither Joss, Summer or her agent would like it. Summer got sidelined too much in TSCC as it was. So she’d have to be put in a role where she gets more screen time than the other Dolls (and possibly not even as a Doll at all).

It’s possible, and it definitely would improve the ratings, but I’d have to wait and see how they do it.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/05/dollhouse-second-season.html

YAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

But the huge sigh, the shoulder drop and the happy face made with hands pretty much told the tale. She wasn’t happy. She did NOT like where Cameron ended up. And that implies criticism of her boss, which she’s too nice and too much a good employee to do in public. I’m certain she really likes Josh, she’s said so before. So she’s never going to say anything bad about him – even if he deserves it.

Victor Hugo, V was looking good last week. However Kevin Johnson has a movie version in the works (the creator of the series) and ABC had a few panels upset with the new Diana and male news reporter “relationship,” so… it could be a mid-season pickup if they really want changes. I haven’t heard it mentioned this week, but that doesn’t mean much of anything because I wasn’t really pursuing info on it. It wasn’t on the last schedule I saw for the Fall.

Richard Steven Hack, Glau isn’t a bigger draw than Dushku and Dushku doesn’t have any huge ego problems. If Summer and Joss wanted it to happen I’m sure Eliza would embrace it. She’s a pretty cool gal.

As for T4, I’m still interested. I think Bale is really overacting though.

Gonna be using a text only browser on this site next!

However, given that Summer is arguably more popular than Eliza Dushku (and arguably a better actress as well) and that Eliza is an Executive Producer on Dollhouse, I wonder if there might be more than a little friction if Joss tries to put Summer on the show. There might also be issues in determining what sort of role she would fit. He can’t give her a minor role like Dichan Lachman. While Summer might go for it in order to work with him again, neither her agent nor the fans would like it. And she can’t replace Eliza.

So I really doubt Summer could go to Dollhouse.

Godfather: On rethinking, I suspect that the cast really don’t understand where TSCC is with regard to its overall status, even if they’ve been told Fox isn’t picking it up. I can also see them being lied to about it by Friedman – if that’s who they’re listening to. As I’ve said, it’s clear he’s a BS artist.

Also, keep in mind that actors are like any other corporate employee – you can’t badmouth the boss in public. Poor Summer kept looking at Josh while trying to answer my question at WonderCon – she obviously didn’t want to look like she was being critical of him in public.

I guess he’s looking for reasons himself because outside of cost, there’s no reason to bring Dollhouse back at all. If anything, Prison Break should have destroyed whatever chance it had, as the crash in ratings without TSCC demonstrated that the show can’t survive without a SCI-FI lead in.

Fox may as well say it was the cost and DVDs. It wasn’t DVR playback, iTunes, or silly online polls.

The bright side of all this, it means one less hour of reality TV.

If they all knew and told us to campaign anyway, well… you can imagine how angry we’re going to get. They knew we were wasting our time and encouraged us regardless. Joss Whedon at least had the guts to tell his fans the truth with Firefly and Dollhouse when things looked bad.

Not like I use either, you understand…

AND WHERE’S MY DVR NUMBERS?!

I’m kind of an emotional mess now, Bill, as I’m sure you can imagine. I meant what I said when I’ve never campaigned for a series before, ever. I wrote letters, sent emails, participated in polls, the whole nine yards. I knew TSCC was in trouble, and I started watching anyway late in the Fall, mainly because of some comments I saw here and over at IGN.com. This whole thing feels like falling in love with a terminal patient and now I’m at the point where I know they’re really going to die. There’s nothing I can do about it and it breaks my heart.

Then to top it all off Nick tells me that Friedman and the actors knew for weeks it was gone and encouraged people like me to campaign anyway. That’s a betrayal, and if it’s true, you have no idea how angry I’m going to be. It’s why I have to know how you know Nick. But since I know you’ve got sources you won’t compromise, could you at least tell me the name of the movie Summer’s now cast in? I am a longtime fan, as I said and I just really want to know. It’s part of trying to move on for me.

If it’s really like an acid trip, I’m glad I missed out on the LSD.

This is like an acid trip, the Web Page version…

And dammit, if those…jerks…(trying to control language here) knew the entire time and encouraged us to campaign anyway? MY WRATH WILL KNOW NO BOUNDS.

Seriously, I’ll get so mad I’ll stop being a fan. I’ll buy the DVD set but that’s it.

Hey Nick, did you get my last question, about Summer’s movie? What has she been cast in? I’d like to know as a fan.

Even if Fox is in the same situation of NBC with Chuck , medium and so on …there is not even a rumour …

This all makes sense ONLY if WB announces on Monday that TSCC will indeed continue on another network, thereby appeasing the fans before T4 comes out. If this isn’t the case, both FOX and WB will see some major backlash.

Why not leave a tender finale alone? Geez. Nobody learned anything from Dawn Ostroff’s 7th Heaven final season misadventure, I guess.

Nick C, what’s with Fox picking up a bunch of WB produced shows? Is there some kind of deal going on? What’s with the rumors that Fox wants Dollhouse cheaper? Is that a sly way for them telling the WB ‘if you want TSCC on our network, cut the price or come up with a hell of a deal by 5/18?’ i hear the WB does want to keep a terminator show on the air as well. i dont know if it’s rumor or for real, i’m sure fox knows for sure. Could they be trying to force the WBs hand into giving them a killer deal?