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	<title>Comments on: DirecTV vs. Versus:  the soap opera continues with &quot;Worthless&quot; ads</title>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FJHS3, if you really want to drop DirecTV, I would see if you can use dropping Versus as a breach of contract. I know with cellphone contracts, if the price for taxes changes (which happens quite frequently) you have a 30 day window where you can use that as a loophole to get out of the contract. I would think this would be somewhat similar to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FJHS3, if you really want to drop DirecTV, I would see if you can use dropping Versus as a breach of contract. I know with cellphone contracts, if the price for taxes changes (which happens quite frequently) you have a 30 day window where you can use that as a loophole to get out of the contract. I would think this would be somewhat similar to that.</p>
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		<title>By: FJHS3</title>
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		<dc:creator>FJHS3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Versus has a niche market and I enjoy them for MMA and Bull Riding...  DirecTV pissed me off with their attitude but I&#039;m stuck with them for another 12 months because I fell for the &quot;AT&amp;T Bundle&quot; option to save $5. Apparently somewhere in the fine print on the AT&amp;T website, the extended 12 month agreement is in there.
Watch Out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Versus has a niche market and I enjoy them for MMA and Bull Riding&#8230;  DirecTV pissed me off with their attitude but I&#8217;m stuck with them for another 12 months because I fell for the &#8220;AT&amp;T Bundle&#8221; option to save $5. Apparently somewhere in the fine print on the AT&amp;T website, the extended 12 month agreement is in there.<br />
Watch Out.</p>
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		<title>By: RenegadeX</title>
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		<dc:creator>RenegadeX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how the composition of the main image in the ad is such that a racing car&#039;s wheel (ie: an IRL IndyCar&#039;s wheel) is *on top* of the scrap heap - and also *in the foreground* -- suggesting it was the last item to come to a rest.

The image thus tells a story: an IndyCar has been launched up into the cheesegrater (aka &#039;fence&#039;) , wiped out the flag stand, gone through the fence and on its way into its rightful home in the junk pile, taken out some innocent hockey and football players, a Tour de France rider, the World Extreme Cagefighting champion, and a cowboy. Probably some hunters, too, but I&#039;m not sure as they&#039;re usually well camouflaged.

This graphic metaphor is actually not all that from the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how the composition of the main image in the ad is such that a racing car&#8217;s wheel (ie: an IRL IndyCar&#8217;s wheel) is *on top* of the scrap heap &#8211; and also *in the foreground* &#8212; suggesting it was the last item to come to a rest.</p>
<p>The image thus tells a story: an IndyCar has been launched up into the cheesegrater (aka &#8216;fence&#8217;) , wiped out the flag stand, gone through the fence and on its way into its rightful home in the junk pile, taken out some innocent hockey and football players, a Tour de France rider, the World Extreme Cagefighting champion, and a cowboy. Probably some hunters, too, but I&#8217;m not sure as they&#8217;re usually well camouflaged.</p>
<p>This graphic metaphor is actually not all that from the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already miss versus PBR!!! Anymore PBR fans out there.  I am soon switching to dish so I have have versus, thus the PBR and the UT games</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already miss versus PBR!!! Anymore PBR fans out there.  I am soon switching to dish so I have have versus, thus the PBR and the UT games</p>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tour de France was good, the Dakar rally was good, but other than that, how did Versus pay for their 10-year deal with IndyCar?? IndyCar *IS* worthless, or at least close to it, drawing &lt;275,000 households nationally per race (5 out of 8 races I&#039;ve seen numbers for had a 0.25 rating or less). I don&#039;t want to pay for Versus&#039; mistake! If they were stupid enough to PAY to sleep with the town slut (IRL IndyCar, which has ruined itself and nearly everything it&#039;s touched over the last 14 years) and furthermore not use protection (ie- not have an &#039;out&#039; clause in the contract), they shouldn&#039;t come crying to us for money so they can clear up the nasty &#039;problem&#039; they&#039;ve developed as a result!

Versus needs to remember that customers ALREADY PAY to receive the channel and that if advertisers aren&#039;t willing to cover the costs, then there&#039;s always the &#039;time buy&#039; option available to the people who want their programming to be seen. IndyCar has copied Champ Car in every other respect, this will just be 1 more! After that, there&#039;ll just be 1 final act of emulation left. (Champ Car is no more).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tour de France was good, the Dakar rally was good, but other than that, how did Versus pay for their 10-year deal with IndyCar?? IndyCar *IS* worthless, or at least close to it, drawing &lt;275,000 households nationally per race (5 out of 8 races I&#039;ve seen numbers for had a 0.25 rating or less). I don&#039;t want to pay for Versus&#039; mistake! If they were stupid enough to PAY to sleep with the town slut (IRL IndyCar, which has ruined itself and nearly everything it&#039;s touched over the last 14 years) and furthermore not use protection (ie- not have an &#039;out&#039; clause in the contract), they shouldn&#039;t come crying to us for money so they can clear up the nasty &#039;problem&#039; they&#039;ve developed as a result!</p>
<p>Versus needs to remember that customers ALREADY PAY to receive the channel and that if advertisers aren&#039;t willing to cover the costs, then there&#039;s always the &#039;time buy&#039; option available to the people who want their programming to be seen. IndyCar has copied Champ Car in every other respect, this will just be 1 more! After that, there&#039;ll just be 1 final act of emulation left. (Champ Car is no more).</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Versus programing!!! The hockey games and Indycar are 2 very important things to me!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Versus programing!!! The hockey games and Indycar are 2 very important things to me!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 02:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Versus primary audience is males 18-34 and males 18-49, males 25-54.

and the network is set-up for a big year coming up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Versus primary audience is males 18-34 and males 18-49, males 25-54.</p>
<p>and the network is set-up for a big year coming up.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy McFlab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy McFlab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the news coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the news coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@romo- Profit wise not subscription wise it&#039;s good that they are getting alot of subscribers but their profit margin is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@romo- Profit wise not subscription wise it&#8217;s good that they are getting alot of subscribers but their profit margin is down.</p>
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		<title>By: romo</title>
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		<dc:creator>romo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Directv this year gained almost 700,000 subs which is great.
Dont know where u are gettin your info from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Directv this year gained almost 700,000 subs which is great.<br />
Dont know where u are gettin your info from.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy it&#039;s a good thing we got rid of Directv and switched to at&amp;t u-verse because versus is a big network or it&#039;s growing and for directv to drop it would be crazy and i think directv should focus more on their HD which i learned sucks once we got at&amp;t but anyways i give directv a jeer for wanting to do this even though i never watched that network, how about directv gets rid of 1-2 of those stupid shopping channels. no wonder directv isn&#039;t doing that hot but comcast is worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy it&#8217;s a good thing we got rid of Directv and switched to at&amp;t u-verse because versus is a big network or it&#8217;s growing and for directv to drop it would be crazy and i think directv should focus more on their HD which i learned sucks once we got at&amp;t but anyways i give directv a jeer for wanting to do this even though i never watched that network, how about directv gets rid of 1-2 of those stupid shopping channels. no wonder directv isn&#8217;t doing that hot but comcast is worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Nightstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nightstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DirecTV calls Versus piggish?  Wonder what the DirecTV profit margin is?  Hmmm... not a fan of either entity though so it might be amusing to see what these goofballs come up with next in their 3rd grade spat.

When ala carte arrives I&#039;ll consider satellite or cable again.  Until then, I&#039;ll watch my shows on network websites or buy season packs of television shows.  I don&#039;t much care to spend up to $60 or whatever it is a month to get all tiers so I can watch 9 channels scattered across the spectrum out of 200+.  Waste of time and money, especially when up to 1/3 (or more) of the time for an hour-long show is commercials to begin with.  

Told DirecTV the same thing when they started calling me to sign up with them (and I finally decided to answer them)... then reminded them of the laws regarding the &quot;Do Not Call&quot; list and what could happen next time they dial my number (Note:  I was on the list for 4 years before they started making that particular rash of calls and I did check and was still on it -- their bad, not mine).  Haven&#039;t heard back from them since.  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DirecTV calls Versus piggish?  Wonder what the DirecTV profit margin is?  Hmmm&#8230; not a fan of either entity though so it might be amusing to see what these goofballs come up with next in their 3rd grade spat.</p>
<p>When ala carte arrives I&#8217;ll consider satellite or cable again.  Until then, I&#8217;ll watch my shows on network websites or buy season packs of television shows.  I don&#8217;t much care to spend up to $60 or whatever it is a month to get all tiers so I can watch 9 channels scattered across the spectrum out of 200+.  Waste of time and money, especially when up to 1/3 (or more) of the time for an hour-long show is commercials to begin with.  </p>
<p>Told DirecTV the same thing when they started calling me to sign up with them (and I finally decided to answer them)&#8230; then reminded them of the laws regarding the &#8220;Do Not Call&#8221; list and what could happen next time they dial my number (Note:  I was on the list for 4 years before they started making that particular rash of calls and I did check and was still on it &#8212; their bad, not mine).  Haven&#8217;t heard back from them since.  <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Versus only has cycling, hockey, and likely blow-out games like Texas at Wyoming. Basically, Versus is a dumping ground for sports and sporting events that can&#039;t get network or cable airtime elsewhere. What&#039;s their biggest draw? Hockey? An out-of-market Indy race?

Pass.

One day, the much longed-for a la carte channel selection might become a reality, and maybe we could all have the channels that we want instead of the channels that are forced upon us. If you want Versus, you could get Versus, but I doubt enough people would want it for it to exist.

DirectTV subscribers that want Versus do have one credible argument. Their monthly fee isn&#039;t going down because Versus was dropped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Versus only has cycling, hockey, and likely blow-out games like Texas at Wyoming. Basically, Versus is a dumping ground for sports and sporting events that can&#8217;t get network or cable airtime elsewhere. What&#8217;s their biggest draw? Hockey? An out-of-market Indy race?</p>
<p>Pass.</p>
<p>One day, the much longed-for a la carte channel selection might become a reality, and maybe we could all have the channels that we want instead of the channels that are forced upon us. If you want Versus, you could get Versus, but I doubt enough people would want it for it to exist.</p>
<p>DirectTV subscribers that want Versus do have one credible argument. Their monthly fee isn&#8217;t going down because Versus was dropped.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shem, I haven&#039;t seen the 8/24-8/28 yet, and it looks like we didn&#039;t post the 8/17-21, but you can see those here if you haven&#039;t already:

http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/31617-latest-ratings-gl-up-in-total-viewers-and-hh/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shem, I haven&#8217;t seen the 8/24-8/28 yet, and it looks like we didn&#8217;t post the 8/17-21, but you can see those here if you haven&#8217;t already:</p>
<p><a href="http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/31617-latest-ratings-gl-up-in-total-viewers-and-hh/" rel="nofollow">http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/topic/31617-latest-ratings-gl-up-in-total-viewers-and-hh/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the real soap opera ratings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the real soap opera ratings?</p>
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		<title>By: MarsPolarLander</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarsPolarLander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take ALL those dumb sports networks off the air - the add says it all - they are Worthless!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take ALL those dumb sports networks off the air &#8211; the add says it all &#8211; they are Worthless!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from a few college football games and the occasional IRL race, Versus is dead to me. Screw them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from a few college football games and the occasional IRL race, Versus is dead to me. Screw them.</p>
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		<title>By: romo</title>
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		<dc:creator>romo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The home shopping channels actually pay to get carried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The home shopping channels actually pay to get carried.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Clinkscales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Clinkscales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. I&#039;m actually interested in what else Versus comes up with as the staredown continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. I&#8217;m actually interested in what else Versus comes up with as the staredown continues.</p>
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		<title>By: AZTop</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZTop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame. There&#039;s a lot of garbage on DirectTV.  There should be a place for Versus.  But I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s not worth a 20% bump.  I wish they would be as hard on ESPN when those price increases roll around.  It&#039;s time for alacart pricing.  Let Versus prove its worth - and so should ESPN and all those darn home shopping networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame. There&#8217;s a lot of garbage on DirectTV.  There should be a place for Versus.  But I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s not worth a 20% bump.  I wish they would be as hard on ESPN when those price increases roll around.  It&#8217;s time for alacart pricing.  Let Versus prove its worth &#8211; and so should ESPN and all those darn home shopping networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it wasn&#039;t a firefox bug...should be fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it wasn&#8217;t a firefox bug&#8230;should be fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/09/04/directv-vs-versus-the-soap-opera-continues-with-worthless-ads/26305/comment-page-1/#comment-115267</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this is just something buggy with Firefox, but the picture is screwing with the formatting. 

But I do like the smack talk, though DirecTV does it better than Comcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this is just something buggy with Firefox, but the picture is screwing with the formatting. </p>
<p>But I do like the smack talk, though DirecTV does it better than Comcast.</p>
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