That’s so true.

I’d seen two eps of Firefly and had been unimpressed by it, so stopped watching.

I only got to loathing it when the Browncoats started invading general science fiction boards blasting other people for being ‘too stupid’ to appreciate Fillion’s terrible Han Solo rip-off, Glau’s impersonation of a rock, and Whedon’s terrible world-building.

Whedon’s DH has a lot of holes in it, and yet it has a mostly good cast, and is more mature than anything he’s done bar Angel. Yes there are problems with Ballard and the overall concept. Yes, it’s over-rated because of Whedon’s involvement.

But preferable to Ugly Betty, CSI, Cold Case, Lie To Me to name but four ratings winners (in comparison to DH)? Hell yeah.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but all shows eventually get cancelled. (Or were you joking.)

Obviously, there’s never any guarantee, but she would have started out with a couple of aces instead of the deck stacked against her. Sadly, it looks like J. Whedon thought he could do what he wanted to do four or five years ago, except with a different property, and it just hasn’t worked.

“Your average television isn’t about quality. It’s about the cheap. It’s about the “football and beer” tastes of the great unwashed masses. Since TV executives are focused on the lowest common denominator in order to maximize eyeballage, I’m not sure how much longer Dollhouse will live.”

I’ve read dozens of others like it, and this one was mild compared to some others. But the sentiment is the same. I’m not saying that all Whedon fans are elitists. But enough of them are to create a backlash out there. Whedon fans often wonder about the vitriol they sometimes see directed at Dollhouse or other Whedon projects. I think the vitriol is actually directed not at Joss Whedon, who seems a pleasant enough person, but at his fanbase. Anyone who has looked at any thread on any messageboard about any Joss Whedon show is well acquainted with the whole “Joss is a genius/therefore his work is genius/therefore if you don’t like his work you just aren’t smart enough to appreciate it” mindset. It’s out there, and it’s not hard to find. At Whedonesque I’m practically tripping over it. And frankly, I think it alienates potential viewers and does Joss Whedon a disservice. I certainly won’t ever be trying Firefly, and for that you can thank the fans who pestered us all about it endlessly. Not trying to flame Whedon by the way. As I mentioned, I’m fan of Buffy and Angel, I’ve got all the DVD’s. Paid good money for them. I just wish more of his fans could understand that it’s possible not to like Whedon’s shows and still be intelligent. I think Dollhouse is an ill-conceived mess, and I don’t consider myself stupid.

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2 eps Jed and I are really happy with – “Epitaph One” and “Belonging”. We hope, at the very least, you get to see the latter on TV.
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“Belonging” was scheduled for the 23rd. So this episode, on Oct. 9, is make or break.

http://twitter.com/MoTancharoen/status/4658049763

http://twitter.com/Dichenlachman/status/4659725433

That’s your opinion of the Dollhouse fanbase and you’re entitled to it, but I have not seen widespread evidence of DH fans calling people unintelligent and being insulting. There are of course a few bad apples amidst any group of fans, but in my time reading the comments at this site then the vast majority of the rude comments have been directed at DH and it’s viewers, not supplied by them.

There are those people who like to post little more than “Dullhouse sux”, “Fox sux”, “Whedon sux”, etc ad nauseum. There are those who want it canceled for no discernible reason, those who want it canceled because they personally don’t like the show, those who want it canceled because they hate Fox and those who want it canceled strictly based on it’s poor numbers. Finally there are the T:SCC fans who want it canceled, usually because they are harboring a great deal of anger and/or hate, wrongly blame Dollhouse for Terminator’s cancelation and feel better when they can be rude and hateful towards others. While some of those contributers are able to voice their opinions in a manner that does not include a personal attack against the show and it’s fans, most are not.

Considering the multitude of derogatory comments that are directed at Dollhouse and it’s fans then I find it strange that you can only find fault with Dollhouse’s supporters. If you have a pre-determined agenda then obviously you have already made up your mind about this, but if not, then I’d ask that you to try to read ALL of the comments and keep track of how how often Dollhouse fans actually are rude for no reason vs how often non-Dollhouse fans are rude to Dollhouse for no reason. If you do so, I firmly believe that you will be quite surprised by the results.

Save Our Show campaigns can be deeply annoying. And though I admire a lot of Joss Whedon’s work, his fans can sometimes be…overbearing. But not all Save Our Show campaigns are naive vanity exercises that serve as joke fodder in network studio production offices. The Save Farscape campiagn actually did achieve a concrete result–a miniseries that wrapped up the cliffhanger the TV series ended on. And, yes, I contributed $25. I really wanted to know how the cliffhanger got resolved! But unlike–oh, say, some Dollhouse fans just for example–I never went around calling people unintelligent for not being able to “get” Farscape.

One important negative regarding Save Our Show campaigns is that they can get obnoxious quickly. The Save Farscape campaign, though it achieved a measure of success, did have a few bad apples who got obnoxious. So, just putting some friendly advice out there for the Dollhouse folks: try not to be obnoxious. There are people who will not watch Joss Whedon productions specifically because they encountered an annoying Whedon fan. To this date, even though I have all the Buffy/Angel DVD season sets, I have never given Firefly a chance, because the fandom struck me as obnoxious and condescending. That’s money not going into Joss Whedon’s pocket, from someone who *likes* his work–and it’s all due to his fans going overboard. So play nice, folks.

Okay, ducking and covering and back to lurking…

Rights infringement:

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Is FOX (or anyone else holding the rights to market those actresses likeness) going to come storming into your home with a C&D? Eh, probably not.

Did you create any goodwill with those with the actual “saving” ability that you would want from “Save Dollhouse” campaign? Eh, probably not.

I have to give some credit to the “Save TSCC” campaign. Sure, it was a naive effort (as all “Save This Show” campaigns are), but you know that silly rolling billboard?

Totally free of rights infringements.

Save the “I’m doing it for the show” counter-argument. If you truly respected the show, you would respect rights associated with it.

http://twibbon.com/join/Dollhouse-4

I’m normally not a “save our show” kind of guy, but I say we all do it on JBF’s behalf!!

There was a meeting today in which staff were basically told ratings need to go UP in order to get a hold and come back on the 23rd, stay the same and they’d consider.. though likely haitus, and if it goes down, it’s out.

Advertisers were basically told that as far as month-by-month ad-buy ins for the network Fox’s schedule has some changes in it, including Fox being TBA for Friday nights after the 23rd.

Fox is concerned that the problem with Dollhouse isn’t fixable, and that they believe that they might have better options Friday night.

That includes a lot of talk about rotating “Glee” to a repeat on Friday night to give it a double-viewing for a while to pickup steam in a show it really believes in, and that it sees as a potential money train.

And as always for others who might be open to understanding, these ratings already include DVR viewing until 3am the next day.

But if it DOES get cancelled I can absolutely guarantee that neither me, nor any of my buddies, will EVER watch BROTHERS again. That’ll teach Fox a lesson they’ll never forget!

Quality-wise it’s about on a par with TSCC. DOLLHOUSE has more potential but, with few exceptions, is not fulfilling it. It’s not vintage Whedon but even sub-par Whedon is better than 90% of what’s on Network TV. However good it gets I don’t see the ratings improving significantly – it’s just not a mass-market show.

I wasn’t asking a literal question and I actually meant to type vs. and not or.

I think complaining about Dollhouse being kept over TSCC is pointless. TSCC fans shouldn’t take it out on Dollhouse or their fans. Whether Dollhouse or TSCC was kept, neither was going to perform well on Fridays. Those saying TSCC should’ve been kept are wrong. It shouldn’t because it did pretty poor as well and cost a lot of money like someone else pointed out. Fox was in a no win situation and they put themselves in that position for Friday night.

There really is no reason to keep Dollhouse around anymore. That’s not to say fans shouldn’t care about a show they like, but let’s be honest, Dollhouse is getting 2M viewers and .8 in the demos on FOX. That’s pretty pathetic for whatever the reasons are.

I’m not sure what FOX’s plans are for the winter/spring on Friday’s, but maybe reruns of House and Human Target would be something they should do. I know it’s copying ABC with Flashforward, but clearly, Human Target is looking like FOX’s only hope for something different to breakout this year.

I don’t think they’ll do that though.

Cancellation list
The Beautiful Life – September 25, 2009
Three Rivers – Late October
Dollhouse – Early November
Hank – Early November
Eastwick – Late November
The Forgotten – December
Mercy/Trauma – February (All episodes aired, not officially cancelled)

Of anyone can think of any new series likely to be axed any earlier than Three Rivers, share your thought.

AO – I agree with your thoughts. ABC is the most hard to figure out because between now and midseason they make the most changes. Between Castle, Eastwick, and The Forgotten, I think sophomore Castle will get a full year and the other 2 will be axed by December. Judging on the slope of the first 2 airings of Eastwick and Forgotten my thought it numbers can only go down. ABC has so many new dramas for midseason as well as reality series as well as Lost so their schedule is likely to change drastically. My bet is CW keeps Vampire, Melrose and dumps every other new series. CBS is keeping NCIS LA, and likely Good Wife. NBC’s Trauma and Mercy could go either way. Theyre not gonna fo better but if they dont do horrible, both could stick around until Heroes finishes and Chuck, Parenthood and Persons Unknown premiere around March.

Pete5125 – Timm Sharp was added and as a regular and J.B. Smoove was dropped. Lindsey Broad was credited as a guest star however an article from august on the futon critic said that she was upped to series regular so its likely she’ll be in the main credits at the beginning soon. FOX could move the combo to 7:00 sundays, but the problem is that until January, Football always overruns into 7:00. The Brothers Pilot repeat at 7 was higher than the otiginal airing. Id say for FOX leave both on fridays.

Forg – In total, theres 22 fourth season production episodes, 9 third season production episodes, and 1 second season production episode left for Til Death. It doesnt seem like FOX will air these episodes during this season though. I still think FOX should have burned the remaining Season 3 episodes off last summer. I originally thought the Trace/Case deal would turn out like Joan and Judging in May 05. But CBS kept Case and dropped Trace. Now everyone knows that Cold Case will be dropped. If that series was barely saved last season and now performs badly this year, why would CBS keep it? Numb3rs has a better chance though and I’m sticking by it until May.

Here’s the history of Til Death
Season 1 – 22 episodes produced, all 22 aired
Season 2 – 19 episodes produced, 15 aired
Season 3 – 13 episodes produced, 7 aired; 3 of which were from season 2 and 4 from Season 3

That leaves 10 leftovers…

Of course, its early, and since CBS had reason to cut it some slack, maybe it will get back to an acceptable level for the net. My point has been how CBS seems to keep on axing series that, in retrospect, they should have kept. Maybe, since Medium already has a profit margin, with dvds and syndication and low production costs, CBS will give it a long leash to see if it can finally fix the chink in their Friday night “link” of shows.

However, Dollhouse this year doesn’t have the limited commercials which it did last year that artificially raised its ratings. It can’t get ratings even close to what Terminator got under the same circumstances.

The powers that be just don’t get it in my honest opinion. Quit featuring so much of Eliza Dushku on Dollhouse. She’s killing the show. I like every other character on it with the exception of Ballard (who I consider awful) MUCH, MUCH better than Echo. And I liked Elisha Dushku on Buffy & Angel but I don’t in Dollhouse. The actress who plays Sierra is way better and her character more interesting to me. Victor and Melly are most interesting. Echo/Caroline is a complete bore.

The bottom line is that Eliza Dushku can’t carry a show. The producers should have realized it after last season and retooled the show and brought on a couple of much stronger actors with name recognition. Instead we get the same dribble.

I also don’t see women ever tuning into a show in droves that features the regular characters getting raped in every episode (literally and figuratively) solely for money. And Ballard’s character has lost any moral character that he once had.

It was interesting seeing Jamie Bamber with his native English accent in the last episode but I never could stand Alexis Denisof as an actor so his addition to the show is a huge negative to me.

At this point I’d be surprised if they end up showing all 13 episodes and totally shocked if the back 9 are ordered.

I was expecting that after Alan Tudyk’s strong perforance in the finale that they would try retooling the show over the summer – instead to me it seems that they insist on continuing to push the things that didn’t work last season.