Comments on: Dollhouse Premiere 18-49 Rating Increases To A 1.5 Via DVR; Hopeful or Futile? http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:52:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Al http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-139162 Al Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:04:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-139162 The way I see it Dollhouse is fairly cheap to make. There really aren’t any special effects in the show at all. It’s all old-school pretty lights scifi. And the writing and acting is incredibly good. Fox should see about selling the series to USA networks to be shown on SciFi. At the least FOX should move Dollhouse to Tuesday nights. So far this fall on Tuesdays I’ve been watching NetFlix and DVR saves as there’s nothing on that interests me, the typical SciFi middle-age male, you know one of the prime demographics… The way I see it Dollhouse is fairly cheap to make. There really aren’t any special effects in the show at all. It’s all old-school pretty lights scifi. And the writing and acting is incredibly good. Fox should see about selling the series to USA networks to be shown on SciFi. At the least FOX should move Dollhouse to Tuesday nights. So far this fall on Tuesdays I’ve been watching NetFlix and DVR saves as there’s nothing on that interests me, the typical SciFi middle-age male, you know one of the prime demographics…

]]> By: Fox Will Air All 13 Episodes of Dollhouse | Your Entertainment Now http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138428 Fox Will Air All 13 Episodes of Dollhouse | Your Entertainment Now Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:17:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138428 [...] You can see the complete Live + 7 day DVR data for the week ending September 27th at TV by the Numbers. [...] [...] You can see the complete Live + 7 day DVR data for the week ending September 27th at TV by the Numbers. [...]

]]> By: FOX says they will air all 13 episodes of Dollhouse | Best Television Shows http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138351 FOX says they will air all 13 episodes of Dollhouse | Best Television Shows Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:01:23 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138351 [...] say if the respectable DVR figures will help things at all. DVR usage is at an all time high, and Dollhouse leads DVR usage, increasing its demo ratings by a whopping 50% (still only to a [...] [...] say if the respectable DVR figures will help things at all. DVR usage is at an all time high, and Dollhouse leads DVR usage, increasing its demo ratings by a whopping 50% (still only to a [...]

]]> By: Brian D http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138117 Brian D Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:59 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138117 Until DVR can be monetized I have a hard time believing the hype that a network or it's advertisers care much about these numbers. Until DVR can be monetized I have a hard time believing the hype that a network or it’s advertisers care much about these numbers.

]]> By: AO http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138047 AO Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:05:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138047 My read on Fox's comments was that they really aren't sure what this show is going to do next, that's it's on thin ice, and that they are prepared to quickly pull it from the Sweeps period if need be. But if they were too down on it already, then I would think that they wouldn't have committed to airing it on the 30th, and have already agreed to air all 13 Episodes. The door is definitely open to it not airing in Sweeps, but based on those comments, I'm guessing that they haven't made their decision yet. Though I am perhaps a tad bit biased. :) My read on Fox’s comments was that they really aren’t sure what this show is going to do next, that’s it’s on thin ice, and that they are prepared to quickly pull it from the Sweeps period if need be.

But if they were too down on it already, then I would think that they wouldn’t have committed to airing it on the 30th, and have already agreed to air all 13 Episodes.

The door is definitely open to it not airing in Sweeps, but based on those comments, I’m guessing that they haven’t made their decision yet.

Though I am perhaps a tad bit biased. :)

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138043 Robert Seidman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:54:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138043 I don't remember anyone exactly making a big deal of Kings getting to air all 13 of its episodes. My memory could be clouded by a surprisingly fun Monday Night Football game or just because I'm old. I did find it a bit interesting that the version of Hibberd's story that ran on hollwoodreporter.com did not contain the quote from the executive about Dollhouse perhaps being bounced during November sweeps, but it is included in the thrfeed.com version. That's perhaps the most telling part of the story for me when it comes to how FOX really feels about Dollhouse. I don’t remember anyone exactly making a big deal of Kings getting to air all 13 of its episodes. My memory could be clouded by a surprisingly fun Monday Night Football game or just because I’m old.

I did find it a bit interesting that the version of Hibberd’s story that ran on hollwoodreporter.com did not contain the quote from the executive about Dollhouse perhaps being bounced during November sweeps, but it is included in the thrfeed.com version. That’s perhaps the most telling part of the story for me when it comes to how FOX really feels about Dollhouse.

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138038 Julia Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:42:08 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138038 Notty, that article has been on this site for the past 3.5 hours. Notty, that article has been on this site for the past 3.5 hours.

]]> By: notty22 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138036 notty22 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:40:40 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138036 These guys are scooping you, lol. All 13 episodes will air. FOX says so ! http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/fox-we-will-air-all-13-dollhouse-episodes.html These guys are scooping you, lol. All 13 episodes will air. FOX says so !
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/fox-we-will-air-all-13-dollhouse-episodes.html

]]> By: Lee http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-138022 Lee Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:12:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-138022 Thanks for the replies. It makes much more sense now. Thanks for the replies. It makes much more sense now.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-5/#comment-137997 Robert Seidman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:41:40 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137997 Blue, how many people watched on Hulu -- FOX will happily tell you how many people watched on TV, but won't tell you how many watched online. If even a million people a week were watching online, FOX would be issuing weekly press releases. Also, Hulu runs about 15% of the ads that air on TV. Even if it's selling them for twice as much, and 250,000 a week are watching it's still only worth about the equivalent of 75,000 extra TV viewers. Even at a million it would only be an extra 300,000 equivalent TV viewers. And it's nowhere near a million. Blue, how many people watched on Hulu — FOX will happily tell you how many people watched on TV, but won’t tell you how many watched online. If even a million people a week were watching online, FOX would be issuing weekly press releases.

Also, Hulu runs about 15% of the ads that air on TV. Even if it’s selling them for twice as much, and 250,000 a week are watching it’s still only worth about the equivalent of 75,000 extra TV viewers. Even at a million it would only be an extra 300,000 equivalent TV viewers. And it’s nowhere near a million.

]]> By: Blue Sunflower http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137993 Blue Sunflower Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:35:13 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137993 Robert says: Julia meant that 32% of the audience FOX could actually potentially make money on didn’t return. Hulu runs ads. And online viewing is actually pretty high. Downloads count plenty particularly if we're talking iTunes. It does depend on the WB/Fox exchange though, as to how much FOX profits off it. It at the very least could give the WB incentive to shop the show around if it comes to that. leo says: I doubt DVR will save Dollhouse this time … It's saved it a bit, FOX will at least air all 13 episodes. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ib26dae96f6367a4412347c44da858d50 Robert says: Julia meant that 32% of the audience FOX could actually potentially make money on didn’t return.

Hulu runs ads. And online viewing is actually pretty high. Downloads count plenty particularly if we’re talking iTunes. It does depend on the WB/Fox exchange though, as to how much FOX profits off it. It at the very least could give the WB incentive to shop the show around if it comes to that.

leo says: I doubt DVR will save Dollhouse this time …

It’s saved it a bit, FOX will at least air all 13 episodes.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3ib26dae96f6367a4412347c44da858d50

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137991 Bill Gorman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:34:12 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137991 Lee, I find them interesting, as you've indicated you do. Not everything we track matters to the future of a show, and we try and make clear what we believe does and doesn't. Lee, I find them interesting, as you’ve indicated you do. Not everything we track matters to the future of a show, and we try and make clear what we believe does and doesn’t.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137982 Robert Seidman Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:16:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137982 Lee, it's not a stupid question, it's a very good one. The networks want to know how many people watch their programs, at least for PR purposes. Secondly, the networks want to get the idea into the advertisers head that a lot more people watch shows when you add in DVR #s. The reason we think the numbers don't matter much is because about 80% of the commercials are fast-forwarded over via DVR. The networks are fighting the uphill battle of trying to extract value out of those commercials, even if they are fast-forwarded over. Lee, it’s not a stupid question, it’s a very good one.

The networks want to know how many people watch their programs, at least for PR purposes. Secondly, the networks want to get the idea into the advertisers head that a lot more people watch shows when you add in DVR #s.

The reason we think the numbers don’t matter much is because about 80% of the commercials are fast-forwarded over via DVR. The networks are fighting the uphill battle of trying to extract value out of those commercials, even if they are fast-forwarded over.

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137976 Julia Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:14:39 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137976 Lee, because the networks are willing to pay for it. It looks good for press releases. Unfortunately, the advertisers are only willing to pay for 3 days of DVR and only those viewers that actually watch commercials. Lee, because the networks are willing to pay for it. It looks good for press releases. Unfortunately, the advertisers are only willing to pay for 3 days of DVR and only those viewers that actually watch commercials.

]]> By: Lee http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137972 Lee Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:11:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137972 This is probably a stupid question but I'm going to ask anyway. If these numbers don't mean anything why are they keeping track of them? It's interesting to me and I love the data so I'm thankful it's posted for us to see. I'm just wondering why they keep track of such data if it's not going to save a show that's maybe on the bubble. This is probably a stupid question but I’m going to ask anyway.

If these numbers don’t mean anything why are they keeping track of them?

It’s interesting to me and I love the data so I’m thankful it’s posted for us to see. I’m just wondering why they keep track of such data if it’s not going to save a show that’s maybe on the bubble.

]]> By: Justin http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137949 Justin Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:44:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137949 All i got to say is YEA FOR SMALLVILLE!!!! AND WOO HOO FOR CASTLE IT MADE THE TOP 25 FOR ALL 3!!! All i got to say is YEA FOR SMALLVILLE!!!! AND WOO HOO FOR CASTLE IT MADE THE TOP 25 FOR ALL 3!!!

]]> By: sushiroll http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137902 sushiroll Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:08:04 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137902 What about online viewing? It has to count for something, there are commercials in it. What about online viewing? It has to count for something, there are commercials in it.

]]> By: Fate http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137852 Fate Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:26:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137852 "Chances are looking great for a fifth season, considering they are airing it now." Oy. DUH! LOL, I meant sixth season! How's it looking for a sixth season? “Chances are looking great for a fifth season, considering they are airing it now.”

Oy. DUH! LOL, I meant sixth season! How’s it looking for a sixth season?

]]> By: SMALLVILLE #1 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137851 SMALLVILLE #1 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:25:49 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137851 YEAHH SMALLVILLE YOU GO! YEAHH SMALLVILLE YOU GO!

]]> By: Largest DVR Audiences for Broadcast TV Shows (Sept 21-27) « Photomaniacal http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137830 Largest DVR Audiences for Broadcast TV Shows (Sept 21-27) « Photomaniacal Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:14:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137830 [...] Full DVR Report Here [...] [...] Full DVR Report Here [...]

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137821 Julia Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:08:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137821 Chances are looking great for a fifth season, considering they are airing it now. ;) Chances are looking great for a fifth season, considering they are airing it now. ;)

]]> By: Fate http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137814 Fate Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:58:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137814 First off, thanks so much for posting all of the shows! Every place I go to just posts the first couple of shows on the list, so if you're show isn't on the list, you're SOL :-/ thank goodness my friend recently sent me a link to this site! Second, I am not very knowledgeable about this kind of thing, but with my favorite show slipping in the ratings this season, I want to know if this is good news for "Supernatural" that they did go up? How are their chances looking for a fifth season? Thanks :) First off, thanks so much for posting all of the shows! Every place I go to just posts the first couple of shows on the list, so if you’re show isn’t on the list, you’re SOL :-/ thank goodness my friend recently sent me a link to this site!

Second, I am not very knowledgeable about this kind of thing, but with my favorite show slipping in the ratings this season, I want to know if this is good news for “Supernatural” that they did go up? How are their chances looking for a fifth season?

Thanks :)

]]> By: Carl http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137806 Carl Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:51:08 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137806 I was going to say (but then multiple people said it) I'm not sure where people are getting that Dollhouse and other Friday shows are getting DVR'd because people want to skip the commercials. They're DVR'd because unless you have a family at home, why would you want to spend the night at home watching TV? It's Friday night! And if advertisers don't like that people are skipping commercials, they could always stream them on the bottom. They may have to end up doing that anyway. As people have said, DVR is not going away. I was going to say (but then multiple people said it) I’m not sure where people are getting that Dollhouse and other Friday shows are getting DVR’d because people want to skip the commercials. They’re DVR’d because unless you have a family at home, why would you want to spend the night at home watching TV? It’s Friday night!

And if advertisers don’t like that people are skipping commercials, they could always stream them on the bottom. They may have to end up doing that anyway. As people have said, DVR is not going away.

]]> By: notty22 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137803 notty22 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:47:23 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137803 You can pen this in now, Dollhouse will get a season 3 , because of its unique role in the way a new generation of people are watching television. Summer Glau will not be a regular so they will have to devise a way to kill her character. Scripts are being reviewed. LOL You can pen this in now, Dollhouse will get a season 3 , because of its unique role in the way a new generation of people are watching television. Summer Glau will not be a regular so they will have to devise a way to kill her character. Scripts are being reviewed.
LOL

]]> By: Zach http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137777 Zach Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:19:34 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137777 Do we know what the Cold Case stats are for DVRS? Do we know what the Cold Case stats are for DVRS?

]]> By: KILLCASTIEL http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137769 KILLCASTIEL Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:06:16 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137769 FUTILE. Those numbers mean nothing. People skip commercials when they DVR shows. No commercial, no money. This is all useless, nobody watches those shows. Those numbers mean absolutely nothing. Off Topic: KILL CASTIEL! FUTILE.
Those numbers mean nothing. People skip commercials when they DVR shows. No commercial, no money.
This is all useless, nobody watches those shows. Those numbers mean absolutely nothing.
Off Topic:
KILL CASTIEL!

]]> By: Gerry http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137744 Gerry Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:36:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137744 Buenas noticias para Smallville debido a un aumento de espectadores en el (DVR) vídeo de digital Buenas noticias para Smallville debido a un aumento de espectadores en el (DVR) vídeo de digital

]]> By: Melissa http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137736 Melissa Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:32:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137736 YAY SMALlVILLE! YAY SMALlVILLE!

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137726 Robert Seidman Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:23:42 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137726 Blue Sunflower: sorry, Julia meant that 32% of the audience FOX could actually potentially make money on didn't return. Josh, the downloads from paid sources like iTunes and Amazon don't mean absolutely nothing, though they probably mean very little to nothing for FOX since Fringe is a Warner Brothers production. Blue Sunflower: sorry, Julia meant that 32% of the audience FOX could actually potentially make money on didn’t return.

Josh, the downloads from paid sources like iTunes and Amazon don’t mean absolutely nothing, though they probably mean very little to nothing for FOX since Fringe is a Warner Brothers production.

]]> By: Josh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137725 Josh Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:21:58 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137725 Keeping Dollhouse depends on it growing viewers with better promotion and on how bad Fox wants new scripted programming on fridays. Keeping Dollhouse depends on it growing viewers with better promotion and on how bad Fox wants new scripted programming on fridays.

]]> By: Josh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-4/#comment-137723 Josh Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:20:36 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137723 but online is so marginal that it doesnt factor, and downloads mean absolutley nothing. but online is so marginal that it doesnt factor, and downloads mean absolutley nothing.

]]> By: Blue Sunflower http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137714 Blue Sunflower Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:11:53 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137714 Julia: That 4.68 Live+7 18-49 rating means that 32% of the audience has not returned to Fringe even with DVR. No, it doesn't. You're completely ignoring online and downloads, which has probably been bumped up significantly due to the demanding timeslot as well. Julia: That 4.68 Live+7 18-49 rating means that 32% of the audience has not returned to Fringe even with DVR.

No, it doesn’t. You’re completely ignoring online and downloads, which has probably been bumped up significantly due to the demanding timeslot as well.

]]> By: r0ckmypants http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137699 r0ckmypants Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:53:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137699 @Tom "Is it fair to summarize the situation as such: Dollhouse, even with Live+7 numbers, is still the worst non-Friday performer on Fox? Is still the worst non-Friday, non-CW show in primetime?" .... Huh? It IS a Friday show. @Tom

“Is it fair to summarize the situation as such:

Dollhouse, even with Live+7 numbers, is still the worst non-Friday performer on Fox? Is still the worst non-Friday, non-CW show in primetime?”

…. Huh? It IS a Friday show.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137698 Bill Gorman Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:53:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137698 Anil, the reason is that these Live+7 numbers don't measure commercial viewing, the C+3 commercial ratings do. And what we have seen in the past is that C+3 commercial ratings get little if any increase from DVR viewing. Anil, the reason is that these Live+7 numbers don’t measure commercial viewing, the C+3 commercial ratings do. And what we have seen in the past is that C+3 commercial ratings get little if any increase from DVR viewing.

]]> By: Anil http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137693 Anil Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:50:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137693 I think DVR WILL help...why have DVR numbers and data if they don't even count? Pointless much? Anyone can prove me wrong but I am sticking to believing that DVR does count at least a little...I'll only be convinced if they cancel DH. I think DVR WILL help…why have DVR numbers and data if they don’t even count? Pointless much? Anyone can prove me wrong but I am sticking to believing that DVR does count at least a little…I’ll only be convinced if they cancel DH.

]]> By: james http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137689 james Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:47:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137689 It simply blows my mind that the CW would let out a press release praising all their shows DVR numbers and not include Smallville! It simply blows my mind that the CW would let out a press release praising all their shows DVR numbers and not include Smallville!

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137683 Bill Gorman Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:44:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137683 james, almost certainly the networks and other paying Nielsen customers have gender group DVR numbers, but we do not. We should see additional age group DVR info later this week. james, almost certainly the networks and other paying Nielsen customers have gender group DVR numbers, but we do not. We should see additional age group DVR info later this week.

]]> By: james http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137681 james Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:41:20 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137681 Is there any data showing Smallville's W18-34 and W18-49 demo increase with DVR usage added? Is there any data showing Smallville’s W18-34 and W18-49 demo increase with DVR usage added?

]]> By: mgb http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137675 mgb Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:35:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137675 I DVR Smallville AND watch it live, then I watch it several more times throughout the season. Then I buy the season DVDs. I'm also over the sacred age frame of 18-49. What does that say about Smallville fans and the TV numbers rating game? I think it's well on its way to becoming a cult classic, and I hope for many more hours of viewing pleasure in Tom Welling's company. I DVR Smallville AND watch it live, then I watch it several more times throughout the season. Then I buy the season DVDs. I’m also over the sacred age frame of 18-49. What does that say about Smallville fans and the TV numbers rating game? I think it’s well on its way to becoming a cult classic, and I hope for many more hours of viewing pleasure in Tom Welling’s company.

]]> By: Lisa http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137673 Lisa Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:33:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137673 This really doesn't mean much. And if Dollhouse supposedly has all these "hidden" viewers, where were they when the show came out on DVD? Not waiting to buy a copy! Plus, a 1.5 demo still sucks. This really doesn’t mean much. And if Dollhouse supposedly has all these “hidden” viewers, where were they when the show came out on DVD? Not waiting to buy a copy!

Plus, a 1.5 demo still sucks.

]]> By: The_GodfatherSJP http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137659 The_GodfatherSJP Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:26:10 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137659 You know, those DVR numbers for Fringe and Dollhouse look awfully similar to last year's. I'm not talking about percent viewers, I'm talking about raw audience gain. Dollhouse, each week, would gain about 900k - 1 million viewers in Live + 7 ratings. Same with Fringe I believe. That, I think, is the number that matters most here, not the "percent gain" from DVR. That number is so high because the viewership is so low to begin with. See, if Dollhouse was at it's Season 1 average of 1.4/1.5, it would have an 18-49 rating of 1.9-2.0, which I think FOX is perfectly happy with on a Friday night. But not a 1.5. That's different. You know, those DVR numbers for Fringe and Dollhouse look awfully similar to last year’s. I’m not talking about percent viewers, I’m talking about raw audience gain. Dollhouse, each week, would gain about 900k – 1 million viewers in Live + 7 ratings. Same with Fringe I believe. That, I think, is the number that matters most here, not the “percent gain” from DVR. That number is so high because the viewership is so low to begin with.

See, if Dollhouse was at it’s Season 1 average of 1.4/1.5, it would have an 18-49 rating of 1.9-2.0, which I think FOX is perfectly happy with on a Friday night. But not a 1.5. That’s different.

]]> By: Shem http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137654 Shem Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:22:42 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137654 Good to see SV doing well! Good to see SV doing well!

]]> By: Mel http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137651 Mel Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:21:17 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137651 I like the way you have this set up this year. Seems intuitive that the actual numbers of viewers increased doesn't make much difference for shows where its a small percent of the total viewers unless it also indicates a jump in the demo. Did it change the ranking in the 9 o'clock hour on Thursday between Grey's and CSI? Are the genre shows Fringe and Supernatural hurting each other in DVR #'s as well as live viewing. I can see the DVR numbers making a difference to the CW -- because all their shows get significant % increases. But I can't see it mattering to Fox if Dollhouse gets a significant % increase when the actual numbers are still low compared to their other shows. But it might make a difference between say Lie To Me and Fringe where a relative bump might be a factor if FOX was picking between them. I like the way you have this set up this year. Seems intuitive that the actual numbers of viewers increased doesn’t make much difference for shows where its a small percent of the total viewers unless it also indicates a jump in the demo.
Did it change the ranking in the 9 o’clock hour on Thursday between Grey’s and CSI? Are the genre shows Fringe and Supernatural hurting each other in DVR #’s as well as live viewing.

I can see the DVR numbers making a difference to the CW — because all their shows get significant % increases. But I can’t see it mattering to Fox if Dollhouse gets a significant % increase when the actual numbers are still low compared to their other shows. But it might make a difference between say Lie To Me and Fringe where a relative bump might be a factor if FOX was picking between them.

]]> By: Dario http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137646 Dario Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:19:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137646 Oh sorry Bill, could you answer my question please? Are this good news for Heroes? Oh sorry Bill, could you answer my question please? Are this good news for Heroes?

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137627 Bill Gorman Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:19 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137627 Medium's viewership increase from Live+SD to Live+7 was about 11%, which for this week was middle-ish for broadcast primetime shows overall, but low-ish for scripted shows. Medium’s viewership increase from Live+SD to Live+7 was about 11%, which for this week was middle-ish for broadcast primetime shows overall, but low-ish for scripted shows.

]]> By: Mediumfan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137618 Mediumfan Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:45:05 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137618 What kind of ratings boost has Medium been getting from DVR usage? Anything? What kind of ratings boost has Medium been getting from DVR usage? Anything?

]]> By: jocor http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137616 jocor Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:43:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137616 FUTILE! FUTILE!

]]> By: Sparkle http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137614 Sparkle Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:40:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137614 Smallville seems to have carried its dvr audience to Fridays, plus abit more. Didn't SV average about 760,000 the first part of last Season? ~ Way to go Smallville! CW should be happy with these stats., I am! Smallville seems to have carried its dvr audience to Fridays, plus abit more.
Didn’t SV average about 760,000 the first part of last Season?
~ Way to go Smallville! CW should be happy with these stats., I am!

]]> By: leo http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137611 leo Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:38:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137611 I doubt DVR will save Dollhouse this time ... I doubt DVR will save Dollhouse this time …

]]> By: javier http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214/comment-page-3/#comment-137603 javier Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:27:54 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/12/dollhouse-premiere-18-49-rating-increases-to-a-1-5-via-dvr-hopeful-or-futile/30214#comment-137603 Soy fan de smallville y por lo que leo es algo bueno, pero no entiendo. Alguien puede explicarme. Soy fan de smallville y por lo que leo es algo bueno, pero no entiendo. Alguien puede explicarme.

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