Comments on: Smallville gets bigger DVR boost than Dollhouse in week 2 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:57:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: DVR NUMBERS NEED BOOST « Tore Simonsen loves Eliza – Dollhouse http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-142723 DVR NUMBERS NEED BOOST « Tore Simonsen loves Eliza – Dollhouse Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:53:14 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-142723 [...] Here is the info. [...] [...] Here is the info. [...]

]]> By: Derek http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141871 Derek Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:19:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141871 "Do advertisers pay at all for the DVR numbers? If not, then while interesting to look at personally I don’t see them factoring into a network’s decision whether to renew or cancel a show" I am guessing DVR viewership has a limited change on advertisers. That beng said when you are fast forwarding through commercials chances are you will catch a second or 2 of the advertisement, so some might tak ethat into consideration. All that being said stuff like DVR viewership, itunes sales or illegal downloads would factor heavily into product placement. “Do advertisers pay at all for the DVR numbers? If not, then while interesting to look at personally I don’t see them factoring into a network’s decision whether to renew or cancel a show”

I am guessing DVR viewership has a limited change on advertisers. That beng said when you are fast forwarding through commercials chances are you will catch a second or 2 of the advertisement, so some might tak ethat into consideration.

All that being said stuff like DVR viewership, itunes sales or illegal downloads would factor heavily into product placement.

]]> By: Zubair http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141836 Zubair Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:28:47 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141836 So, Adam, that means the decrease probably is because the NY market was out of play for both DVR and live. Great to see these numbers for Smallville! Thanks for posting! So, Adam, that means the decrease probably is because the NY market was out of play for both DVR and live.

Great to see these numbers for Smallville! Thanks for posting!

]]> By: KVac http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141708 KVac Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:12:11 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141708 Go Smallville!!! Wooo hoooo!!! This new season is one of their best seasons yet! Go Smallville!!! Wooo hoooo!!! This new season is one of their best seasons yet!

]]> By: Dorky TV Round-Up: Venture Brothers, Dr. Who, Dollhouse, and Glee - Laser Orgy http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141670 Dorky TV Round-Up: Venture Brothers, Dr. Who, Dollhouse, and Glee - Laser Orgy Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:11:35 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141670 [...] Joss Whedon feels the pains of dismissal once again, as apparently Dollhouse is suffering a ratings slip. I’ve been blowing off the second season of Dollhouse too, even though I loved the first season. [...] [...] Joss Whedon feels the pains of dismissal once again, as apparently Dollhouse is suffering a ratings slip. I’ve been blowing off the second season of Dollhouse too, even though I loved the first season. [...]

]]> By: mayiya http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141618 mayiya Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:08:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141618 Gi Snallville! The best season! Gi Snallville! The best season!

]]> By: Smallville http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141590 Smallville Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:40:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141590 Robert from Oct19 at 9:50am, Well considering Tom Welling is now an exectutive producer on the show and that Smallville has just hired more writers for the show I really doubt they will give up on Smallville if they could go a season 10. Also Allison Mack stated that if they go a season 10 she will not be in it and Callum Blue has signed on for a 2 year story arc. If we as fan's believe in Tom Welling and the show we will see a season 10! Robert from Oct19 at 9:50am,

Well considering Tom Welling is now an exectutive producer on the show and that Smallville has just hired more writers for the show I really doubt they will give up on Smallville if they could go a season 10. Also Allison Mack stated that if they go a season 10 she will not be in it and Callum Blue has signed on for a 2 year story arc. If we as fan’s believe in Tom Welling and the show we will see a season 10!

]]> By: Carol http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141576 Carol Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:29:59 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141576 Do advertisers pay at all for the DVR numbers? If not, then while interesting to look at personally I don't see them factoring into a network's decision whether to renew or cancel a show. I can understand why an advertiser wouldn't want to pay for them since most people probably don't watch any commercials via DVR and it negates time sensitive advertising. It just shows that people may be interested in watching the show via DVR but not enough to watch the commercials. I've got to admit that I rarely watch anything Live these days since I refuse to watch 18 minutes of commercials per hour of primetime. By having so many commercials per hour for primetime (typically 18 minutes worth per hour these days) it makes it very easy to skip them. If you had about 8 minutes of commercials per hour like you did in the 1960s/1970s, then more people in my opinion wouldn't be skipping them as much. The argument that they need more commercials to generate more revenue doesn't make sense to me since they become so diluted that very people actually watch them. Do advertisers pay at all for the DVR numbers? If not, then while interesting to look at personally I don’t see them factoring into a network’s decision whether to renew or cancel a show. I can understand why an advertiser wouldn’t want to pay for them since most people probably don’t watch any commercials via DVR and it negates time sensitive advertising. It just shows that people may be interested in watching the show via DVR but not enough to watch the commercials. I’ve got to admit that I rarely watch anything Live these days since I refuse to watch 18 minutes of commercials per hour of primetime.

By having so many commercials per hour for primetime (typically 18 minutes worth per hour these days) it makes it very easy to skip them. If you had about 8 minutes of commercials per hour like you did in the 1960s/1970s, then more people in my opinion wouldn’t be skipping them as much. The argument that they need more commercials to generate more revenue doesn’t make sense to me since they become so diluted that very people actually watch them.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141556 Robert Seidman Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:04 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141556 Ali, next week the headline will be "I know Ali doesn't care, but here are the Dollhouse DVR increases anyway...." ;-) Ali, next week the headline will be “I know Ali doesn’t care, but here are the Dollhouse DVR increases anyway….” ;-)

]]> By: DenverDean http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141553 DenverDean Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:58 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141553 Well I guess reports of CSI's demise are premature.... These DVR numbers are really amazing. Networks are going to have to figure out a way to turn us (DVRers) into $$$. Well I guess reports of CSI’s demise are premature…. These DVR numbers are really amazing. Networks are going to have to figure out a way to turn us (DVRers) into $$$.

]]> By: Ali http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-2/#comment-141551 Ali Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141551 I dont care anymore about the ratings for Dollhouse. Fox said they were airing all 13, I am happy with that. if the show gets a proper closure, I am a happy bunny I dont care anymore about the ratings for Dollhouse. Fox said they were airing all 13, I am happy with that. if the show gets a proper closure, I am a happy bunny

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141542 Robert Seidman Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:01:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141542 grr_argh, sometimes additional adjustments to final numbers of shows are made after the weekly final results are published. Sometime later we should see the final numbers for Smallville L+SD out to two decimal places. It could be that the report I had this morning showing it as a 1.0 was incorrect rounding, or it could be that there were additional adjustments. In the normal weekly reporting it was indeed reported as a .9, Live+SD 18-49 rating. grr_argh, sometimes additional adjustments to final numbers of shows are made after the weekly final results are published. Sometime later we should see the final numbers for Smallville L+SD out to two decimal places. It could be that the report I had this morning showing it as a 1.0 was incorrect rounding, or it could be that there were additional adjustments.

In the normal weekly reporting it was indeed reported as a .9, Live+SD 18-49 rating.

]]> By: JenSmith http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141540 JenSmith Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:57:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141540 @Robert, thanks! That is what I thought. The NY numbers aren't part of the equation (final ratings and DVR) @Robert, thanks! That is what I thought. The NY numbers aren’t part of the equation (final ratings and DVR)

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141538 Robert Seidman Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:56:23 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141538 Jen Smith, the Mets game would've counted in the overnight numbers, but not in the finals or the DVR numbers above where only the timeslot viewing of the actual program is counted. In the overnights whatever is airing in the time slot counts, even if it's not the show. The Smallville viewing in the NY market that happened Saturday (or whenever) was measured separately (sorry, I don't have those numbers) and is NOT included above. Jen Smith, the Mets game would’ve counted in the overnight numbers, but not in the finals or the DVR numbers above where only the timeslot viewing of the actual program is counted.

In the overnights whatever is airing in the time slot counts, even if it’s not the show. The Smallville viewing in the NY market that happened Saturday (or whenever) was measured separately (sorry, I don’t have those numbers) and is NOT included above.

]]> By: grr_argh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141535 grr_argh Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:55:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141535 thanks robert. i looked up the final numbers and dollhouse did increase to a .9 also, smallville too had a .9 in the preliminary AND final numbers for the Oct 2 episode. so that'd be an increase of .5 and not .4. right? thanks robert. i looked up the final numbers and dollhouse did increase to a .9

also, smallville too had a .9 in the preliminary AND final numbers for the Oct 2 episode. so that’d be an increase of .5 and not .4. right?

]]> By: JenSmith http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141530 JenSmith Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:52:19 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141530 Smallville was preempted in the NY market for a mets game, does the NY DVR numbers count? I don't think so, because it was on a different night for NY (that Saturday I think?)? Smallville was preempted in the NY market for a mets game, does the NY DVR numbers count? I don’t think so, because it was on a different night for NY (that Saturday I think?)?

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141527 Robert Seidman Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:50:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141527 grr_argh, those were overnight numbers, it went up to a .9 in the finals. All comparisons above are based on final national numbers, not preliminary overnights. Adam, true but Smallville only went down by .1 and Dollhouse by .2. I'm not worried about Smallville next year really, unless the producers and actors don't want to do it anymore. Unlike Dollhouse (or even Gossip Girl or 90210!) it actually had decent DVD sales. grr_argh, those were overnight numbers, it went up to a .9 in the finals. All comparisons above are based on final national numbers, not preliminary overnights.

Adam, true but Smallville only went down by .1 and Dollhouse by .2. I’m not worried about Smallville next year really, unless the producers and actors don’t want to do it anymore. Unlike Dollhouse (or even Gossip Girl or 90210!) it actually had decent DVD sales.

]]> By: james http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141525 james Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:50:19 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141525 Thanks Robert. Thanks Robert.

]]> By: grr_argh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141524 grr_argh Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:48:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141524 i thought dollhouse had a .8 for its Oct 2 episode. i thought dollhouse had a .8 for its Oct 2 episode.

]]> By: Adam http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141522 Adam Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:44:54 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141522 You do realize the Smallville increase is less then last week right. Last week it was 1.0 to 1.5. Plus live viewership for the episode was lower anyway so how is it great news for Smallville or Dollhouse. Both shows are in serious trouble and need to show real improvement quickly. You do realize the Smallville increase is less then last week right. Last week it was 1.0 to 1.5. Plus live viewership for the episode was lower anyway so how is it great news for Smallville or Dollhouse. Both shows are in serious trouble and need to show real improvement quickly.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141521 Robert Seidman Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:43:50 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141521 as I said, more data later today! right now we only had access to the 18-49 increases. But Bill will post the normal DVR tables probably later today and later this week (perhaps today) I will post revised top 25 viewer and 18-49 tables based on Live+7 viewing. as I said, more data later today!

right now we only had access to the 18-49 increases. But Bill will post the normal DVR tables probably later today and later this week (perhaps today) I will post revised top 25 viewer and 18-49 tables based on Live+7 viewing.

]]> By: nadia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141518 nadia Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:42:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141518 Go Smallville! Go season 10! Go Smallville! Go season 10!

]]> By: james http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141517 james Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:41:07 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141517 Smallville keeps chugging along. Any chance we could get the final audience number? Smallville keeps chugging along. Any chance we could get the final audience number?

]]> By: zee http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141509 zee Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:33:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141509 any news on Desperate Housewives 18-49? any news on Desperate Housewives 18-49?

]]> By: Gabriela http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141503 Gabriela Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:31:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141503 wohooo Go smallville wohooo Go smallville

]]> By: Tim http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141504 Tim Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:31:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141504 @notty22 obsessed much? @notty22

obsessed much?

]]> By: Angela http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141499 Angela Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141499 Yay! Go Smallville (My favorite show right now) Yay! Go Smallville (My favorite show right now)

]]> By: notty22 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141488 notty22 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:13:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141488 In two weeks , the black widow Summer Glau is going to be on, acting crazy or weird her typical type cast role. Lets hope all her fanboys leave their shrines and watch the episode live. The ratings should up by at least 50. lol In two weeks , the black widow Summer Glau is going to be on, acting crazy or weird her typical type cast role. Lets hope all her fanboys leave their shrines and watch the episode live. The ratings should up by at least 50. lol

]]> By: johnthemon http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141468 johnthemon Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:02:41 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141468 Fringe's DVR numbers clearly reflects the competitive time-slot. Thursday at 9 is the most competitive slot of the week, besides Sunday at 9. Good for Heroes as well, if only DVR mattered. Fringe’s DVR numbers clearly reflects the competitive time-slot. Thursday at 9 is the most competitive slot of the week, besides Sunday at 9.

Good for Heroes as well, if only DVR mattered.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141462 Anonymous Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:01:55 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141462 *sound of the cancellation axe sharpening* *sound of the cancellation axe sharpening*

]]> By: VA http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/19/dollhouse-dvr-viewing-down-in-second-episode/30831/comment-page-1/#comment-141460 VA Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:01:44 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=30831#comment-141460 All I wanted was the 13 episodes and a satisfactory ending, so I'm just happy that the first week DVR numbers did that. All I wanted was the 13 episodes and a satisfactory ending, so I’m just happy that the first week DVR numbers did that.

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