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		<title>By: X-R.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>X-R.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SMALLVILE has been in syndication mostly on weekend daytime in some areas...but it keeps getting moved or eliminated from the listings after running it for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMALLVILE has been in syndication mostly on weekend daytime in some areas&#8230;but it keeps getting moved or eliminated from the listings after running it for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they didnt say anything about melrose but what about Supernatural? Does anybody know if anyone has bought syndication rights to smallville cause there are 8 seasons and it nowhere on tv in the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they didnt say anything about melrose but what about Supernatural? Does anybody know if anyone has bought syndication rights to smallville cause there are 8 seasons and it nowhere on tv in the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOBBY: no.  It means 2.76 million total watched it after seven days (Live+7).  Of those 2.76 million, 1.81 million watched it live, and another ~950,000 watched it via DVR.  

Some who watched on DVR watched it the same night the show aired (around 400,000) so were in the ~2.21 million Live+SD number we originally reported for it a couple of weeks back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOBBY: no.  It means 2.76 million total watched it after seven days (Live+7).  Of those 2.76 million, 1.81 million watched it live, and another ~950,000 watched it via DVR.  </p>
<p>Some who watched on DVR watched it the same night the show aired (around 400,000) so were in the ~2.21 million Live+SD number we originally reported for it a couple of weeks back.</p>
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		<title>By: BOBBY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BOBBY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the press release says for 90210 that 
 &quot;and total viewers (52%, 2.76mil v. 1.81mil)&quot;
does this mean that 2.7 watched it live and 1.81 recorded it??? or is that something else??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the press release says for 90210 that<br />
 &#8220;and total viewers (52%, 2.76mil v. 1.81mil)&#8221;<br />
does this mean that 2.7 watched it live and 1.81 recorded it??? or is that something else??</p>
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		<title>By: Dillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mayorofsmpleton:

The show won&#039;t be getting any more &quot;expensiver&quot; if it has a 10th season, as all the above-the-line players (key cast and crew) signed two-year contracts for Season 9 AND 10.

And below-the-line costs will be the same as always, so it&#039;ll average out to around $2M per episode, if they do a Season 10, which is the same as Season 8 and 9&#039;s average cost.

In-fact, below-the-line spending has increased, because Tom Welling gets paid more in gross points. This is why Season 9 has more production values - especially when it comes to visual and special effects - than Season 8 and before.

Another key factor in making Season 10 likely, is that the CW don&#039;t pay full-whack for the series. Production costs are split fairly evenly. IIRC the CW pays $1M out of the $2M episodic budget and gets a chunk of merchandise/international sales. As they command $70,000 per 30-second commercial, they make a lot of money relative to their investment.

WB of course reel it in. They break even just from international sales to the UK, Europe and Canada (in-fact, with the UK they just signed a $10M contract for a 10-season syndication package for NBC UK) - Asian, African and Latin American sales are bonus, as well as DVD/BR sales, AND local syndication (which they&#039;ve yet to really tap into).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mayorofsmpleton:</p>
<p>The show won&#8217;t be getting any more &#8220;expensiver&#8221; if it has a 10th season, as all the above-the-line players (key cast and crew) signed two-year contracts for Season 9 AND 10.</p>
<p>And below-the-line costs will be the same as always, so it&#8217;ll average out to around $2M per episode, if they do a Season 10, which is the same as Season 8 and 9&#8242;s average cost.</p>
<p>In-fact, below-the-line spending has increased, because Tom Welling gets paid more in gross points. This is why Season 9 has more production values &#8211; especially when it comes to visual and special effects &#8211; than Season 8 and before.</p>
<p>Another key factor in making Season 10 likely, is that the CW don&#8217;t pay full-whack for the series. Production costs are split fairly evenly. IIRC the CW pays $1M out of the $2M episodic budget and gets a chunk of merchandise/international sales. As they command $70,000 per 30-second commercial, they make a lot of money relative to their investment.</p>
<p>WB of course reel it in. They break even just from international sales to the UK, Europe and Canada (in-fact, with the UK they just signed a $10M contract for a 10-season syndication package for NBC UK) &#8211; Asian, African and Latin American sales are bonus, as well as DVD/BR sales, AND local syndication (which they&#8217;ve yet to really tap into).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joselito, nope, it doesn&#039;t, though CW probably will be fine with you thinking that! but don&#039;t be too disappointed when the number is more in the neighborhood of 4.6 million.  

Unlike some networks, CW has chosen here to show the increases over LIVE viewing.  Live viewing numbers are never reported anywhere. The overnight and weekly results already contain some portion of DVR viewing.  For the week above, the reported L+SD (live plus same day DVR viewing)  was 3.53 million for Vampire Diaries, so the additional amount added to the numbers we regularly report was around 810,000.  

In the &quot;nearly 1.4 million additional&quot; that they mention included almost 600,000 viewers that were already reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joselito, nope, it doesn&#8217;t, though CW probably will be fine with you thinking that! but don&#8217;t be too disappointed when the number is more in the neighborhood of 4.6 million.  </p>
<p>Unlike some networks, CW has chosen here to show the increases over LIVE viewing.  Live viewing numbers are never reported anywhere. The overnight and weekly results already contain some portion of DVR viewing.  For the week above, the reported L+SD (live plus same day DVR viewing)  was 3.53 million for Vampire Diaries, so the additional amount added to the numbers we regularly report was around 810,000.  </p>
<p>In the &#8220;nearly 1.4 million additional&#8221; that they mention included almost 600,000 viewers that were already reported.</p>
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		<title>By: Joselito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joselito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings Vampire Diaries an estimate of 5.2 million viewers for it&#039;s latest episode!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings Vampire Diaries an estimate of 5.2 million viewers for it&#8217;s latest episode!</p>
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		<title>By: storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I kept reading through the whole article waiting for the CW&#039;s Melrose Place and its not even mentioned. Does this mean it didn&#039;t have hardly any ratings increase at all? Is this why the info wasn&#039;t published? This show won&#039;t make it to season 2 like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I kept reading through the whole article waiting for the CW&#8217;s Melrose Place and its not even mentioned. Does this mean it didn&#8217;t have hardly any ratings increase at all? Is this why the info wasn&#8217;t published? This show won&#8217;t make it to season 2 like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Somerhalder talks to CW Connect, some pictures from the set, DVR ratings, and People&#8217;s Choice Award nominations : Vampire-Diaries.net &#124; A Fansite for L.J. Smith's Vampire Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Somerhalder talks to CW Connect, some pictures from the set, DVR ratings, and People&#8217;s Choice Award nominations : Vampire-Diaries.net &#124; A Fansite for L.J. Smith's Vampire Diaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For the ratings geeks among you, TV by the Numbers has the DVR/live-plus figures breakdown, and the Vampire Diaries has gained another 1.4 million viewers on top of Thursday&#8217;s live [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For the ratings geeks among you, TV by the Numbers has the DVR/live-plus figures breakdown, and the Vampire Diaries has gained another 1.4 million viewers on top of Thursday&#8217;s live [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joselito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joselito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Vampire Diaries is kicking ass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Vampire Diaries is kicking ass!</p>
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		<title>By: News Roundup: One Tree Hill, 90210 and Gossip Girl &#171; TeenDramaWhore</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Roundup: One Tree Hill, 90210 and Gossip Girl &#171; TeenDramaWhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 90210, as well as the other shows, again did well in the DVR ratings. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 90210, as well as the other shows, again did well in the DVR ratings. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;All of The CW’s Original Series Score Dramatic Double-Digit Growth in Live+7 Ratings&#039;&#039;

So where&#039;s MP in the press release? Isn&#039;t MP also an original from the CW,besides 90210 and other crappy shows from Dawn? 

The CW sucks badly. If not for their veteran shows like OTH, SV and SPN...the network should have closed down earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;All of The CW’s Original Series Score Dramatic Double-Digit Growth in Live+7 Ratings&#8221;</p>
<p>So where&#8217;s MP in the press release? Isn&#8217;t MP also an original from the CW,besides 90210 and other crappy shows from Dawn? </p>
<p>The CW sucks badly. If not for their veteran shows like OTH, SV and SPN&#8230;the network should have closed down earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: mayorofsmpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayorofsmpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More complaints about CW mistreating a show that is in its 9th season... ? 

It&#039;s got the entire superman mythology behind it as well as nine years. It should be able to pull its own. If it doesn&#039;t return next year it won&#039;t be because CW moved it to Friday... it will be because it&#039;s an older show with a cast that keeps getting more expensive each year. Do people really want this stuff to run forever? Friday for Smallville was a bit of a show of faith. They knew it was the only show that would be able to hold an audience on that night. It&#039;s like saying FOX moved FRINGE to Thursday to kill it. They moved it there to be a powerhouse on a big night for ad money... it didn&#039;t work out the way they planned, but it wasn&#039;t like they went out of their way to sacrifice it. Believe it or not, CW would prefer if Smallville was doing better... and if the profits justify it they will most definitely bring it back... they&#039;re not trying to &quot;kill it&quot; on fridays... nor are they taking it for granted. It has enough history to pull its own weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More complaints about CW mistreating a show that is in its 9th season&#8230; ? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s got the entire superman mythology behind it as well as nine years. It should be able to pull its own. If it doesn&#8217;t return next year it won&#8217;t be because CW moved it to Friday&#8230; it will be because it&#8217;s an older show with a cast that keeps getting more expensive each year. Do people really want this stuff to run forever? Friday for Smallville was a bit of a show of faith. They knew it was the only show that would be able to hold an audience on that night. It&#8217;s like saying FOX moved FRINGE to Thursday to kill it. They moved it there to be a powerhouse on a big night for ad money&#8230; it didn&#8217;t work out the way they planned, but it wasn&#8217;t like they went out of their way to sacrifice it. Believe it or not, CW would prefer if Smallville was doing better&#8230; and if the profits justify it they will most definitely bring it back&#8230; they&#8217;re not trying to &#8220;kill it&#8221; on fridays&#8230; nor are they taking it for granted. It has enough history to pull its own weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHERE ARE THE NEW NUMBERS FOR MELROSE PLACE...THIS CONCERNS ME..ITS THE ONLY THING I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL WEEK,,PLEASE UPDATE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHERE ARE THE NEW NUMBERS FOR MELROSE PLACE&#8230;THIS CONCERNS ME..ITS THE ONLY THING I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL WEEK,,PLEASE UPDATE</p>
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		<title>By: Sparkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! We got Smallville&#039;s Live+7 total viewers from a press release!
3.03mil. So from the Live+same day/Final to the Live+7 the gain 
is once again about 800,000 viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! We got Smallville&#8217;s Live+7 total viewers from a press release!<br />
3.03mil. So from the Live+same day/Final to the Live+7 the gain<br />
is once again about 800,000 viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fan revolt was a kick up the arse, and they realised they take Smallville for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fan revolt was a kick up the arse, and they realised they take Smallville for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Zubair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zubair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m glad they heard the wrath from the Smallville fans last week! lol Good to see them include Smallville. Not sure why they didn&#039;t include MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m glad they heard the wrath from the Smallville fans last week! lol Good to see them include Smallville. Not sure why they didn&#8217;t include MP.</p>
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		<title>By: cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No love for Melrose Place?</description>
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