Comments on: Three Rivers: Bring Out Your Dead http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:11:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marie http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-4/#comment-149931 Marie Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:02:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149931 I'm just trying to think of the reasoning as to why TR hasn't been pulled already (it boggles the mind really) and the only thing I could think of is that they are wanting to see what it does without football - one less obstacle if you will. They had baseball AND football to contend with last weekend. I’m just trying to think of the reasoning as to why TR hasn’t been pulled already (it boggles the mind really) and the only thing I could think of is that they are wanting to see what it does without football – one less obstacle if you will. They had baseball AND football to contend with last weekend.

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149928 Julia Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:47:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149928 Jason, Three Rivers may be the greatest show ever conceived by man, but it doesn't matter. ER was in the top 10 shows for its first ten seasons (top 5 for the first nine seasons, and fluctuated between #1 and #2 the first five seasons.) Three Rivers won't even make top 50. Jason, Three Rivers may be the greatest show ever conceived by man, but it doesn’t matter. ER was in the top 10 shows for its first ten seasons (top 5 for the first nine seasons, and fluctuated between #1 and #2 the first five seasons.) Three Rivers won’t even make top 50.

]]> By: Jason http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149922 Jason Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:15:57 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149922 Three Rivers is way better than ER and that kept that crap on for how long not to mention some other really really syupid shows. Its only aired a few shows, for god sake give it a chance. Just because is doesn't take place in NY, LA or Chicago. Not to mention Pittsburgh has some of the top Hospitals in the country, so its not hard to believe the story lines. Three Rivers is way better than ER and that kept that crap on for how long not to mention some other really really syupid shows. Its only aired a few shows, for god sake give it a chance. Just because is doesn’t take place in NY, LA or Chicago. Not to mention Pittsburgh has some of the top Hospitals in the country, so its not hard to believe the story lines.

]]> By: RealisticExpectations http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149757 RealisticExpectations Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:02:56 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149757 Yes, the demo IS the only thing that matters to the networks and to advertisers. The advertisers buy time on the shows that offer them the biggest bang for their buck. If a show isn't high enough in the desired demographic, it'll be shown the door and something else that might attract the highest possible numbers of desired demographic placed in that time slot. Advertisers pay top dollar for ad space on the highest rated shows, and networks are in the business to make money. They're not philanthropic organizations. That's just the way it works. Yes, the demo IS the only thing that matters to the networks and to
advertisers. The advertisers buy time on the shows that offer them the biggest bang for their buck.

If a show isn’t high enough in the desired demographic, it’ll be shown the door and something else that might attract the highest possible numbers of desired demographic placed in that time slot. Advertisers pay top dollar for ad space on the highest rated shows, and networks are in the business to make money. They’re not philanthropic organizations.

That’s just the way it works.

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149630 Julia Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:49:04 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149630 Ah, well, as you know, the demo is all that matters. Ah, well, as you know, the demo is all that matters.

]]> By: Jon http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149624 Jon Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:44:23 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149624 Ratings wise, not demo wise Julia in regard to American Dad, I think Football Night in America does better in the demo than Three Rivers although it's ratings tend to flux from week to week. Ratings wise, not demo wise Julia in regard to American Dad, I think Football Night in America does better in the demo than Three Rivers although it’s ratings tend to flux from week to week.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149622 Bill Gorman Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:43:36 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149622 Kathy B. as it should! I've now watched 3 of the 6 IFC Python 40th anniversary episodes. Love them! Kathy B. as it should!

I’ve now watched 3 of the 6 IFC Python 40th anniversary episodes. Love them!

]]> By: Kathy B. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149620 Kathy B. Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:42:03 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149620 That "Bring out your Dead" title has me replaying Monty Python in my head. That “Bring out your Dead” title has me replaying Monty Python in my head.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149618 Bill Gorman Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:41:31 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149618 Julia, it has fewer Alex's! Julia, it has fewer Alex’s!

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149614 Julia Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:39:36 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149614 Jon, American Dad is currently averaging over 3.0. How does it do worse than Three Rivers? Jon, American Dad is currently averaging over 3.0. How does it do worse than Three Rivers?

]]> By: Jon http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149609 Jon Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:37:07 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149609 Marie, there's no football but there's baseball which will have an impact. Hollywood, Three Rivers has the worst ratings on Sundays not only on CBS but in general, only Football Night in America, American Dad and the 7.30pm slot on FOX does lower and considering CBS is the number 1 network, 7m on a Sunday is not good. Marie, there’s no football but there’s baseball which will have an impact.

Hollywood, Three Rivers has the worst ratings on Sundays not only on CBS but in general, only Football Night in America, American Dad and the 7.30pm slot on FOX does lower and considering CBS is the number 1 network, 7m on a Sunday is not good.

]]> By: Holly http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149603 Holly Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:20:24 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149603 *sigh* and me without my bingo card... *sigh* and me without my bingo card…

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149601 J.R. Herbaugh Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:17:08 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149601 <i>Also, 3R has already saved lives by educating people about organ donation. That’s a fact. </i> Is it? Also, 3R has already saved lives by educating people about organ donation. That’s a fact.

Is it?

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149599 Robert Seidman Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:15:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149599 Hollywood: you mistake this site for one that focuses on relative show quality. It isn't. It's a site that focuses on numbers, and in this post specifically adults 18-49 seasonal averages. Three Rivers has the worst average of any scripted show on CBS that's not on a Friday. We don't opine on whether Three Rivers is better than Criminal Minds in terms of show quality. But when it comes to the numbers, Criminal Minds is much, much better. Hollywood: you mistake this site for one that focuses on relative show quality. It isn’t. It’s a site that focuses on numbers, and in this post specifically adults 18-49 seasonal averages. Three Rivers has the worst average of any scripted show on CBS that’s not on a Friday.

We don’t opine on whether Three Rivers is better than Criminal Minds in terms of show quality. But when it comes to the numbers, Criminal Minds is much, much better.

]]> By: Julia http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149590 Julia Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:09:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149590 <i>the biggest ratings Sunday night has seen in a decade</i> Back that up, please? (Just stating something and claiming it to be fact does not actually make it fact.) the biggest ratings Sunday night has seen in a decade

Back that up, please? (Just stating something and claiming it to be fact does not actually make it fact.)

]]> By: HollywoodWA http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149575 HollywoodWA Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:57:55 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149575 I think this guy, whoever he is, has it out for 3R. It's not the best show on the air but it's not as bad as he makes it out to be. It has a lot going for it, including a stellar cast, and it's only going to get better. It's holding its audience week-to-week and that's against the biggest ratings Sunday night has seen in a decade: with football and baseball games (powerhouses), Desperate Housewives and demo favorites - Cleveland Show and Family Guy - competing. Can he please move on to bashing god-awful shows like Criminal Minds, CSI New York, Cougartown, Eastwick and NCIS LA? Those shows are for the brain-dead. Also, 3R has already saved lives by educating people about organ donation. That's a fact. Not just a judgemental rant. I think this guy, whoever he is, has it out for 3R. It’s not the best show on the air but it’s not as bad as he makes it out to be. It has a lot going for it, including a stellar cast, and it’s only going to get better. It’s holding its audience week-to-week and that’s against the biggest ratings Sunday night has seen in a decade: with football and baseball games (powerhouses), Desperate Housewives and demo favorites – Cleveland Show and Family Guy – competing. Can he please move on to bashing god-awful shows like Criminal Minds, CSI New York, Cougartown, Eastwick and NCIS LA? Those shows are for the brain-dead. Also, 3R has already saved lives by educating people about organ donation. That’s a fact. Not just a judgemental rant.

]]> By: Marie http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-149553 Marie Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:40:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-149553 Jon, very good question actually. Being there is no Sunday night football this weekend, do you think that is why they are waiting on TR? Waiting to see how it does without the football competition. Jon, very good question actually. Being there is no Sunday night football this weekend, do you think that is why they are waiting on TR? Waiting to see how it does without the football competition.

]]> By: Jon http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148754 Jon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:30:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148754 The question with Three Rivers is not if it gets axed but when it gets axed. My guess is that if the ratings on Sunday are as bad as previous weeks then that will be the final straw, they could be kind and dump it on Saturdays but I doubt it myself especially if NCIS reruns can do much better. The question with Three Rivers is not if it gets axed but when it gets axed. My guess is that if the ratings on Sunday are as bad as previous weeks then that will be the final straw, they could be kind and dump it on Saturdays but I doubt it myself especially if NCIS reruns can do much better.

]]> By: Ninja1088 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148536 Ninja1088 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:53:18 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148536 Ten p.m. on a Sunday night is already putting a show in a bad spot. While CC's ratings weren't off the charts last year, people actually watched The Amazing Race. Put a show after a program nobody really watches, TR and it's ratings will suffer. Ten p.m. on a Sunday night is already putting a show in a bad spot. While CC’s ratings weren’t off the charts last year, people actually watched The Amazing Race. Put a show after a program nobody really watches, TR and it’s ratings will suffer.

]]> By: anonymous http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148505 anonymous Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:01:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148505 About 3R: as far as I know, they are still shooting it. My question is: if CBS has in mind to pull it from the schedule before runnung out its 13 episodes, why they didn't tell them to shut down production? About 3R: as far as I know, they are still shooting it. My question is: if CBS has in mind to pull it from the schedule before runnung out its 13 episodes, why they didn’t tell them to shut down production?

]]> By: forg http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148497 forg Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:48:46 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148497 If Fox beats CBS on the November sweeps, the Sunday schedule would be one of the reasons for that If Fox beats CBS on the November sweeps, the Sunday schedule would be one of the reasons for that

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148495 Dan Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:45:25 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148495 CBS also has 22 Flashpoint episodes ready to go as well as 2 midseason dramas (Miami Trauma and The Bridge) Everything else has a full season, so the fact that Three Rivers is still around is miraculous. CBS also has 22 Flashpoint episodes ready to go as well as 2 midseason dramas (Miami Trauma and The Bridge) Everything else has a full season, so the fact that Three Rivers is still around is miraculous.

]]> By: mark wood http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-3/#comment-148477 mark wood Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:17:49 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148477 I surprised that Three Rivers is still being aired. To only hold 50% of its lead in audience is terrible, even on the cW thats grounds for cancellation. And unlike the CW, CBS has a strong lineup and can fill that hole. And not only has it done considerable damage to its 9pm hour (both in 18-49 but also in 25-54) that destruction of TAR's demographics (CBS strongest performer in adults 18-34, 18-49 and 25-54 for the last three years on Sunday) has also crippled Cold Case (a show already close to cancellation). I don't care how one personally feels about the show (but even if it was my favorite program I would be incredibly stupid to allow that show to continue). It offers nothing to CBS except for a black eye. It isn't a critical darling, it hasn't generated water cooler buzz, it hasn't been a success in either of three primary demo groups. I surprised that Three Rivers is still being aired. To only hold 50% of its lead in audience is terrible, even on the cW thats grounds for cancellation. And unlike the CW, CBS has a strong lineup and can fill that hole.

And not only has it done considerable damage to its 9pm hour (both in 18-49 but also in 25-54) that destruction of TAR’s demographics (CBS strongest performer in adults 18-34, 18-49 and 25-54 for the last three years on Sunday) has also crippled Cold Case (a show already close to cancellation).

I don’t care how one personally feels about the show (but even if it was my favorite program I would be incredibly stupid to allow that show to continue).

It offers nothing to CBS except for a black eye. It isn’t a critical darling, it hasn’t generated water cooler buzz, it hasn’t been a success in either of three primary demo groups.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148460 Dan Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:54:22 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148460 I think Rivers could be gone after its next airing, with such bad numbers who knows why CBS would keep it this long. I think Rivers could be gone after its next airing, with such bad numbers who knows why CBS would keep it this long.

]]> By: crystalabell http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148441 crystalabell Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:34:09 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148441 I agree that Cold Case is a wonderful show and I will be disappointed if they cancel it. The format is unique. I am also developing a liking for Three Rivers: the main actors are good and the supporting cast is wonderful. This show is providing little-known actors with a showcase for their talent. I think that CBS will support this drama and give it a chance to develop a following. CBS has more successful dramas than any other network and I for one think that Three Rivers has the potential to be a success. I agree that Cold Case is a wonderful show and I will be disappointed if they cancel it. The format is unique. I am also developing a liking for Three Rivers: the main actors are good and the supporting cast is wonderful. This show is providing little-known actors with a showcase for their talent. I think that CBS will support this drama and give it a chance to develop a following. CBS has more successful dramas than any other network and I for one think that Three Rivers has the potential to be a success.

]]> By: Lilly_Scotty http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148314 Lilly_Scotty Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:57:02 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148314 I think your post regarding Cold Case was totally uncalled for. The show is brillant. The timeslot may be ruining the ratings but I am sure all the dedicated fans out there still watch it. They have really pumped up the episodes this year from what I have seen. The show is the only thing I watch these days. If it is cancelled then I think the people that have determined for it to be cancelled have serious issues they need to sort out. There are many other shows which I would like to see canceled long before Cold Case. I think your post regarding Cold Case was totally uncalled for. The show is brillant. The timeslot may be ruining the ratings but I am sure all the dedicated fans out there still watch it. They have really pumped up the episodes this year from what I have seen. The show is the only thing I watch these days. If it is cancelled then I think the people that have determined for it to be cancelled have serious issues they need to sort out. There are many other shows which I would like to see canceled long before Cold Case.

]]> By: Kassandra http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148299 Kassandra Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:30:55 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148299 Personally I love Cold Case. I think the timeslot is what is killing it! Along with the horrible lead in show like Three Rivers, i mean people watch 5 minutes of it then change the channel. If they would move Cold Case back to 9 and the ratings will go up. CBS uses the timeslots to have an excuse to hack a show! Three Rivers should be axed by Christmas. I mean Cold Case is at a later time and it is still getting better ratings than Three Rivers. CBS needs to get their heads out of their butts and MOVE Cold Case back to last seasons time!!! It deserves a 8th season!!! Personally I love Cold Case. I think the timeslot is what is killing it! Along with the horrible lead in show like Three Rivers, i mean people watch 5 minutes of it then change the channel. If they would move Cold Case back to 9 and the ratings will go up. CBS uses the timeslots to have an excuse to hack a show! Three Rivers should be axed by Christmas. I mean Cold Case is at a later time and it is still getting better ratings than Three Rivers. CBS needs to get their heads out of their butts and MOVE Cold Case back to last seasons time!!! It deserves a 8th season!!!

]]> By: Sarah http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148139 Sarah Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:29:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148139 I think CBS will cancel Three Rivers at the end of November , after showing the 8 or 9 episodes they already have made. Why?. Well , because CBS was paying Alex O'Loughlin for a whole year in that holding contract and they put a lot of money in Three Rivers too, CBS was sure Alex , his Moonlight fans and some new CBS viewers , would make Three Rivers the new ER for CBS . So, CBS may try at least to get some cash back from this big ugly mess. And Cold Case is a goner by May , so I don't feel CBS is that worried that Cold Case is suffering because of Three Rivers. So, yes, I would say , 4 or maybe 5 more episodes of Three Rivers before is axed. I think CBS will cancel Three Rivers at the end of November , after showing the 8 or 9 episodes they already have made. Why?. Well , because CBS was paying Alex O’Loughlin for a whole year in that holding contract and they put a lot of money in Three Rivers too, CBS was sure Alex , his Moonlight fans and some new CBS viewers , would make Three Rivers the new ER for CBS . So, CBS may try at least to get some cash back from this big ugly mess. And Cold Case is a goner by May , so I don’t feel CBS is that worried that Cold Case is suffering because of Three Rivers. So, yes, I would say , 4 or maybe 5 more episodes of Three Rivers before is axed.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148091 Dan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:34:13 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148091 While its possible Numb3rs could be let go theres ZERO chance the series will be moved this season. The Mentalist is doing the best of any post CSI series and sometimes actually does better than CSI. The Mentalist should air Sundays at 9 for 2010-2011 just because CBS needs help with that night. While its possible Numb3rs could be let go theres ZERO chance the series will be moved this season. The Mentalist is doing the best of any post CSI series and sometimes actually does better than CSI. The Mentalist should air Sundays at 9 for 2010-2011 just because CBS needs help with that night.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-148089 Dan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:32:07 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-148089 Holly - Its possible good Wife gets another year but not certain. Id say 50/50 leaning toward not. CBS has a very tight schedule and a lot of well performing dramas. Cold Case is a goner but I dont see any other veterans exiting, which may persuade CBS to axe Good Wife just to make room. ABC wont ever have competition, after Forgotten ends, they will just stick another drama in the slot. Wife may temporarily get replaced by Miami Trauma. Id say if Cold Case and Three Rivers get axed as well as Good Wife, CBS could move The Mentalist to 9:00 sundays (So CBS can compete in the slot) Assuming their are no other timeslot changes and every other drama gets renewed CBS will have 3 open slots Sundays at 10, Tuesdays at 10 and Thursdays at 10. I think Fridays trio is safe at least for another season, Its not something CBS needs to mess with yet. Holly – Its possible good Wife gets another year but not certain. Id say 50/50 leaning toward not. CBS has a very tight schedule and a lot of well performing dramas. Cold Case is a goner but I dont see any other veterans exiting, which may persuade CBS to axe Good Wife just to make room. ABC wont ever have competition, after Forgotten ends, they will just stick another drama in the slot. Wife may temporarily get replaced by Miami Trauma.

Id say if Cold Case and Three Rivers get axed as well as Good Wife, CBS could move The Mentalist to 9:00 sundays (So CBS can compete in the slot) Assuming their are no other timeslot changes and every other drama gets renewed CBS will have 3 open slots Sundays at 10, Tuesdays at 10 and Thursdays at 10. I think Fridays trio is safe at least for another season, Its not something CBS needs to mess with yet.

]]> By: Tom http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147885 Tom Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:41:53 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147885 At this point I would lean towards no on Good Wife, especially if ABC airs real competition in the slot in spring. Not to mention increased DVR usage, once AI comes online (and the NCIS/ABC viewers are watching those shows instead at 10pm). At this point I would lean towards no on Good Wife, especially if ABC airs real competition in the slot in spring. Not to mention increased DVR usage, once AI comes online (and the NCIS/ABC viewers are watching those shows instead at 10pm).

]]> By: Holly http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147876 Holly Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:29:59 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147876 I wouldn't bet on Good Wife getting a second season, but I do think it's still possible. I wouldn’t bet on Good Wife getting a second season, but I do think it’s still possible.

]]> By: nkinsey http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147865 nkinsey Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:09:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147865 Holly- I'm liking you more and more. Yes, sweeps are MUCH more important to local affils. That's where we get a lot of "thank yous" or have to make a lot of makegoods. And I agree completely about Numb3rs being dependent on open slots in May. Good Wife will not get a second season though. Holly- I’m liking you more and more.

Yes, sweeps are MUCH more important to local affils. That’s where we get a lot of “thank yous” or have to make a lot of makegoods.

And I agree completely about Numb3rs being dependent on open slots in May.

Good Wife will not get a second season though.

]]> By: Holly http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147799 Holly Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:54 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147799 @vsaint, As I understand it (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), sweeps are more for the local affiliates than for the networks. Obviously, viewing is tracked throughout the year in many markets, but for the 4 months of sweeps, significanly more people in those markets as well as people in markets that don't have year-round tracking are included in the Nielsen surveys (usually by paper diaries rather than set-top boxes, so the results are significantly delayed). This allows affiliates to have numbers to use when selling ads with out the expense of year-round tracking. @vsaint,

As I understand it (and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong), sweeps are more for the local affiliates than for the networks. Obviously, viewing is tracked throughout the year in many markets, but for the 4 months of sweeps, significanly more people in those markets as well as people in markets that don’t have year-round tracking are included in the Nielsen surveys (usually by paper diaries rather than set-top boxes, so the results are significantly delayed). This allows affiliates to have numbers to use when selling ads with out the expense of year-round tracking.

]]> By: ABCFanatic2009 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147761 ABCFanatic2009 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:10:28 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147761 CBS should kill Cold Case by now, a 1.9 18-49 demo is just uhhhh. Especially for CBS. CBS should kill Cold Case by now, a 1.9 18-49 demo is just uhhhh. Especially for CBS.

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147726 Dan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:32:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147726 Cold Case is dead in May. Three Rivers should be dead soon, and Accidentally on Purpose should get an order for additional episodes. Cold Case is dead in May. Three Rivers should be dead soon, and Accidentally on Purpose should get an order for additional episodes.

]]> By: Zach http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147724 Zach Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:25:01 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147724 Cold Case got much better ratings (not off the chart ratings) when they were at nine last year. Throw in baseball and a show with low ratings leading into it... why it's ratings are still low. Cold Case got much better ratings (not off the chart ratings) when they were at nine last year. Throw in baseball and a show with low ratings leading into it… why it’s ratings are still low.

]]> By: aznfratboy http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147697 aznfratboy Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:06:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147697 I personally see Three Rivers failing ebcause it is too much of the same stuff we already have. We don't need more hospital dramas... House, Greys, Trauma (to an extent), Mercy, Private Practice, Scrubs (if you want it to be), etc etc, and I mean, how many different hospital shows can people get into? The reason ER was so successful back in the 90s was well, 1) Seinfeld and co as a lead-in, but also, because of the fact that networks weren't saturated with hospital dramas (not that I can recall of anyway) , which seems to be the second most sought after type of TV show outside of repetitive crime shows. I personally see Three Rivers failing ebcause it is too much of the same stuff we already have. We don’t need more hospital dramas…
House, Greys, Trauma (to an extent), Mercy, Private Practice, Scrubs (if you want it to be), etc etc, and I mean, how many different hospital shows can people get into? The reason ER was so successful back in the 90s was well, 1) Seinfeld and co as a lead-in, but also, because of the fact that networks weren’t saturated with hospital dramas (not that I can recall of anyway)
, which seems to be the second most sought after type of TV show outside of repetitive crime shows.

]]> By: R.G http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147672 R.G Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:05:15 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147672 Cold Case is going bye-bye....as well as Old Christine. Bu I'd rather see that go than Cold Case. Cold Case needs a new night...like Fridays. Cold Case is going bye-bye….as well as Old Christine. Bu I’d rather see that go than Cold Case. Cold Case needs a new night…like Fridays.

]]> By: Jon http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147657 Jon Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:42:57 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147657 The difference between Three Rivers and Numb3rs is that Numb3rs a wins it slot and retaining a good chunk of the Medium audience whereas Three Rivers was fourth in its slot and loses a percentage of The Amazing Race audience. If it moved to Fridays it would most likely die there. The difference between Three Rivers and Numb3rs is that Numb3rs a wins it slot and retaining a good chunk of the Medium audience whereas Three Rivers was fourth in its slot and loses a percentage of The Amazing Race audience. If it moved to Fridays it would most likely die there.

]]> By: dumont http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147579 dumont Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:56:58 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147579 'Three Rivers' has maintained a remarkably consistent viewership over the last three weeks of 7,329,000, then 7,829,000 and finally 7,782,000 this past Sunday. These numbers are highly consistent with what 'Numb3rs' is getting on Friday nights (7,825,000 viewer average over 4 episodes this season). CBS should try a one-week time-period flip of 'Three Rivers' and 'Numb3rs', perhaps during the November Sweep, just to see if both shows could benefit by being skedded on a different night. I also think that 'Three Rivers' will benefit from the 'Medium' lead-in, which now has much of the old 'Moonlight' audience (but not demo) sewn up. ‘Three Rivers’ has maintained a remarkably consistent viewership over the last three weeks of 7,329,000, then 7,829,000 and finally 7,782,000 this past Sunday. These numbers are highly consistent with what ‘Numb3rs’ is getting on Friday nights (7,825,000 viewer average over 4 episodes this season). CBS should try a one-week time-period flip of ‘Three Rivers’ and ‘Numb3rs’, perhaps during the November Sweep, just to see if both shows could benefit by being skedded on a different night.

I also think that ‘Three Rivers’ will benefit from the ‘Medium’ lead-in, which now has much of the old ‘Moonlight’ audience (but not demo) sewn up.

]]> By: vsaint http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147576 vsaint Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:52:06 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147576 Can someone tell me why sweeps is relevant? Do more people watch tv in late Oct/Nov? Don't worry Three Rivers, you'll have a place in history as one of the worst shows ever. Can someone tell me why sweeps is relevant?
Do more people watch tv in late Oct/Nov?
Don’t worry Three Rivers, you’ll have a place in history as one of the worst shows ever.

]]> By: Cullen http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-2/#comment-147546 Cullen Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:29:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147546 I don't get why CBS is so willing to let Old Christine and Gary Unmarried receive such dreadful ratings simply to maintain another night of comedy. Wouldn't it make more sense to cancel both of them and launch two new comedies in the timeslot? I don’t get why CBS is so willing to let Old Christine and Gary Unmarried receive such dreadful ratings simply to maintain another night of comedy. Wouldn’t it make more sense to cancel both of them and launch two new comedies in the timeslot?

]]> By: Theoacme http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147501 Theoacme Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:53:43 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147501 NBC is envious of Adult Swim sometimes :p As for Cold Case, they need a crossover with Two and a Half Men, badly... ...as for Three Rivers, not even Kent Tekulve, Willie Stargell, Dave Parker, Sister Sledge, John Candelaria, the Blues Brothers, the Penguin, Cab Calloway, Mr. Belvedere, Bob Uecker, Vic Morrow from Combat, and Bert Blyleven could save it...play a dirge version of "We Are Family" now, and carve the headstone before the Thanksgiving turkey - er, the Lions game :D Chuck Lorre has less money, now, than David Letterman - but that won't last too long - in fact, I hear Julie Chen may divorce Leslie Moonves, and get an eight figure settlement, only if she marries Lorre - that's probably the only way CBS can give Lorre his well deserved bonus ;) As for Christine and Gary - they are praying that David Spade gets what Maura Tierney got :D NBC is envious of Adult Swim sometimes :p

As for Cold Case, they need a crossover with Two and a Half Men, badly…

…as for Three Rivers, not even Kent Tekulve, Willie Stargell, Dave Parker, Sister Sledge, John Candelaria, the Blues Brothers, the Penguin, Cab Calloway, Mr. Belvedere, Bob Uecker, Vic Morrow from Combat, and Bert Blyleven could save it…play a dirge version of “We Are Family” now, and carve the headstone before the Thanksgiving turkey – er, the Lions game :D

Chuck Lorre has less money, now, than David Letterman – but that won’t last too long – in fact, I hear Julie Chen may divorce Leslie Moonves, and get an eight figure settlement, only if she marries Lorre – that’s probably the only way CBS can give Lorre his well deserved bonus ;)

As for Christine and Gary – they are praying that David Spade gets what Maura Tierney got :D

]]> By: amyvil http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147442 amyvil Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:56:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147442 Three Rivers has improved from week to week. The main leads have settled into their roles very nicely and the fans of the show are clamoring for more. This last episode, "Code Green", was the best one yet. CBS is promoting the next three episodes of Three Rivers (through the Mandy Patinkin episode which will air on November 15) so I remain cautiously optimistic that Three Rivers will continue to air. Three Rivers has improved from week to week. The main leads have settled into their roles very nicely and the fans of the show are clamoring for more. This last episode, “Code Green”, was the best one yet. CBS is promoting the next three episodes of Three Rivers (through the Mandy Patinkin episode which will air on November 15) so I remain cautiously optimistic that Three Rivers will continue to air.

]]> By: Riff Rafferty http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147391 Riff Rafferty Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:11:15 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147391 Not expecting "Three Rivers" to be pulled from the schedule -- at least if Miss Tassler has anything to say about it. Moved to Saturday to play out its order, maybe. But not pulled. This is CBS's second-best unintentional comedy (after "CSI: Miami"). How can they pull it? And deprive us of all those laughs? Besides, they already went ahead and aired a 4th ep. I'm sure Peter Ocko would have liked the same courtesy so his superior "3 lbs." could have avoided all the "3 eps." jokes, but alas, Mr. Ocko does not have the same bond with Tassler than Carol Barbee clearly does. Not expecting “Three Rivers” to be pulled from the schedule — at least if Miss Tassler has anything to say about it. Moved to Saturday to play out its order, maybe. But not pulled. This is CBS’s second-best unintentional comedy (after “CSI: Miami”). How can they pull it? And deprive us of all those laughs?

Besides, they already went ahead and aired a 4th ep. I’m sure Peter Ocko would have liked the same courtesy so his superior “3 lbs.” could have avoided all the “3 eps.” jokes, but alas, Mr. Ocko does not have the same bond with Tassler than Carol Barbee clearly does.

]]> By: mayorofsmpleton http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147390 mayorofsmpleton Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:10:58 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147390 Mike G., NBC is envious of a lot of networks, Maybe even CW, at least from a PR perspective. They have a break-out success with Vampire Dairies (puke) but NBC has bombed across the board with their fresh offerings. In great trouble indeed. I'd say Good Wife will stay unless it drops. Mike G., NBC is envious of a lot of networks,
Maybe even CW, at least from a PR perspective. They have a break-out success with Vampire Dairies (puke) but NBC has bombed across the board with their fresh offerings. In great trouble indeed.

I’d say Good Wife will stay unless it drops.

]]> By: Ike http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147324 Ike Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:24:12 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147324 ALL the networks did that during sweeps in the 90s, as I recall. I don't know why, but there are fewer and fewer ridiculous and blatant sweeps pre-emptions these days. Are network schedulers catching on that shows build up more ratings momentum with fewer pre-emptions? Or are sweeps considered less important? Or is it due to the declining power of the affiliates (assuming they ARE less powerful)? ALL the networks did that during sweeps in the 90s, as I recall. I don’t know why, but there are fewer and fewer ridiculous and blatant sweeps pre-emptions these days. Are network schedulers catching on that shows build up more ratings momentum with fewer pre-emptions? Or are sweeps considered less important? Or is it due to the declining power of the affiliates (assuming they ARE less powerful)?

]]> By: cress http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147312 cress Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:13:52 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147312 The promos back a month ago were laughable for this turd. How was this greenlit? The guy running throught the hospital with a Coleman cooler containing a heart has an interesting backstory...Oh yeah, and the NAPA Auto parts franchise has an interesting tale about taking parts to a local Ford dealership. DUMBASSES! The promos back a month ago were laughable for this turd. How was this greenlit? The guy running throught the hospital with a Coleman cooler containing a heart has an interesting backstory…Oh yeah, and the NAPA Auto parts franchise has an interesting tale about taking parts to a local Ford dealership.

DUMBASSES!

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744/comment-page-1/#comment-147309 Bill Gorman Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:12:40 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/27/three-rivers-bring-out-your-dead/31744#comment-147309 Shaz, advertisers get the demographic group eyeballs they pay for. Sometimes when they originally contracted for them, sometimes in make goods later. Shaz, advertisers get the demographic group eyeballs they pay for. Sometimes when they originally contracted for them, sometimes in make goods later.

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