Comments on: Scoop: Don't Look for TNT to Expand Length of Existing Southland episodes http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:48:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-152111 J.R. Herbaugh Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:52:32 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-152111 Robert, why didn't you just cite the 7:42 am Monday story at Variety which says: "Turner won't make many changes to the existing episodes -- but Wright confirmed that TNT will indeed likely allow some expletives to remain unbleeped. " Robert, why didn’t you just cite the 7:42 am Monday story at Variety which says: “Turner won’t make many changes to the existing episodes — but Wright confirmed that TNT will indeed likely allow some expletives to remain unbleeped. “

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-151356 Robert Seidman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:53:45 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151356 because the episodes are ALREADY as long as the average TNT shows? Why doesn't TNT add time to The Closer and Leverage and Dark Blue and Saving Grace? Where is the outcry for expanded THE CLOSER episodes? LOL because the episodes are ALREADY as long as the average TNT shows? Why doesn’t TNT add time to The Closer and Leverage and Dark Blue and Saving Grace?

Where is the outcry for expanded THE CLOSER episodes?

LOL

]]> By: Dan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-151347 Dan Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:45:28 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151347 Well I doubt the third year, but why not add extra content in if its airing on cable? Well I doubt the third year, but why not add extra content in if its airing on cable?

]]> By: 5506/Orange5506 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-151333 5506/Orange5506 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:36:24 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151333 >:) >:)

]]> By: 5506/Orange5506 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-151330 5506/Orange5506 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:35:38 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151330 BTW,(By the way) ----- <---you figure it out. Hint: this has five letters. BTW,(By the way) —– <—you figure it out. Hint: this has five letters.

]]> By: 5506/Orange5506 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-2/#comment-151320 5506/Orange5506 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:27:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151320 @Joss's Biggest Fan, Why are talking about Dollhouse when this topic is "ALL" about Southland, -----. @Joss’s Biggest Fan,

Why are talking about Dollhouse when this topic is “ALL” about Southland, —–.

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151271 J.R. Herbaugh Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:40:08 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151271 (forgot to credit SonicAD above) We'll see what happens. I can wait 60 days. (forgot to credit SonicAD above)

We’ll see what happens. I can wait 60 days.

]]> By: Patrick O http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151267 Patrick O Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:32:07 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151267 I could see a "director's cut" version of the first episode happening that would be shown in a "limited commercial interruptions" style, but I agree - what's the point? TNT should just advertise the hell out of the show and try to grab new viewers and then hope that the old fans jump on board when the S2 episodes start airing. Given TNT's success with their own shows, I'd guess that marketing it like it never aired on NBC is the best way to go. I could see a “director’s cut” version of the first episode happening that would be shown in a “limited commercial interruptions” style, but I agree – what’s the point? TNT should just advertise the hell out of the show and try to grab new viewers and then hope that the old fans jump on board when the S2 episodes start airing. Given TNT’s success with their own shows, I’d guess that marketing it like it never aired on NBC is the best way to go.

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151263 J.R. Herbaugh Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:25:38 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151263 I meant a director's cut was made as SL was in production. Of course there are deleted scenes. Longer airtimes on TNT aren't unprecedented. Yes, the statement "actual episodes will have more airtime on TNT" could be the result of a misinterpretation of "it will be aired more times on TNT." But I do think TNT has to do something to draw viewers to watch reruns for the first 7 weeks. I meant a director’s cut was made as SL was in production. Of course there are deleted scenes.

Longer airtimes on TNT aren’t unprecedented.

Yes, the statement “actual episodes will have more airtime on TNT” could be the result of a misinterpretation of “it will be aired more times on TNT.”

But I do think TNT has to do something to draw viewers to watch reruns for the first 7 weeks.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151262 Robert Seidman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:14:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151262 J.R., there is zero info on a DVD in Amazon (no date for release set, can't be preordered) so I doubt much has happened on that basis. Typically, with TV shows while there are "deleted scene" extras, there are usually no "directors cuts". But you guys are all missing the point of my post :-) TNT can do whatever it thinks is best, but the central notion of longer airtimes on TNT is just plain wrong. J.R., there is zero info on a DVD in Amazon (no date for release set, can’t be preordered) so I doubt much has happened on that basis. Typically, with TV shows while there are “deleted scene” extras, there are usually no “directors cuts”.

But you guys are all missing the point of my post :-) TNT can do whatever it thinks is best, but the central notion of longer airtimes on TNT is just plain wrong.

]]> By: Diane http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151254 Diane Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:57:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151254 Patrick, FX did the same thing with "The Shield." Like some of the current series, many episodes would run beyond their hour time slot, but for "The Shield" it was usually several minutes. FX would run an episode at 9 p.m. Central and then immediately re-run the episode. That second airing would frequently start at around 10:08 or 10:10 p.m. However, it was never consistent. Since I always caught the second airing, I had to be careful not to tune in too early or I would inadvertently catch the ending from the 9 p.m. showing. Patrick, FX did the same thing with “The Shield.” Like some of the current series, many episodes would run beyond their hour time slot, but for “The Shield” it was usually several minutes. FX would run an episode at 9 p.m. Central and then immediately re-run the episode. That second airing would frequently start at around 10:08 or 10:10 p.m. However, it was never consistent. Since I always caught the second airing, I had to be careful not to tune in too early or I would inadvertently catch the ending from the 9 p.m. showing.

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151252 J.R. Herbaugh Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:45:53 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151252 JBF says they're under contract. (Couldn't there have been a director's cut already, for DVDs perhaps?) JBF says they’re under contract. (Couldn’t there have been a director’s cut already, for DVDs perhaps?)

]]> By: Patrick O http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151248 Patrick O Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:40:17 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151248 I've never quite understood FX's scheduling, considering that 'It's Always Sunny' consistently runs under 22 minutes (or slightly above), which seems to be under even broadcast norms for 30 minute sitcoms. Based on a quick look (using the same idea as Robert) Nip/Tuck seems to run about a minute longer than the TNT shows. I guess it's worth it for them to squeeze in a few more commercials - they're getting around 10 minutes with some of the shorter episodes of 'It's Always Sunny!" It's also worth noting that I never noticed FX's slightly odd scheduling until I got a DVR and started seeing weird times pop up. I’ve never quite understood FX’s scheduling, considering that ‘It’s Always Sunny’ consistently runs under 22 minutes (or slightly above), which seems to be under even broadcast norms for 30 minute sitcoms. Based on a quick look (using the same idea as Robert) Nip/Tuck seems to run about a minute longer than the TNT shows. I guess it’s worth it for them to squeeze in a few more commercials – they’re getting around 10 minutes with some of the shorter episodes of ‘It’s Always Sunny!”

It’s also worth noting that I never noticed FX’s slightly odd scheduling until I got a DVR and started seeing weird times pop up.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151247 Robert Seidman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:38:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151247 why would you pay someone to do that? why would you pay someone to do that?

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151246 J.R. Herbaugh Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:38:03 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151246 (Sorry, it's not tonight, but Wednesday overnight.) I think "The League" has extra content. Cable channels aren't constrained. They can add content and commercials. Wouldn't it just take an editor and a director to insert cut footage? (Sorry, it’s not tonight, but Wednesday overnight.)

I think “The League” has extra content. Cable channels aren’t constrained. They can add content and commercials.

Wouldn’t it just take an editor and a director to insert cut footage?

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151245 Robert Seidman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:37:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151245 LOL, JBF. But the unaired episodes won't air until February. It might not be spring in terms of the earth's orbit around <s>the sun</s> Joss Whedon, but it is the "spring TV" season. We never predicted a cable network wouldn't air the already made episodes of Dollhouse -- that was expected. We merely predicted getting NEW episodes of Southland made would be an uphill climb. So far, no new episodes of the show have been ordered. We did get that Dollhouse thing wrong though. Once. LOL, JBF. But the unaired episodes won’t air until February. It might not be spring in terms of the earth’s orbit around the sun Joss Whedon, but it is the “spring TV” season. We never predicted a cable network wouldn’t air the already made episodes of Dollhouse — that was expected. We merely predicted getting NEW episodes of Southland made would be an uphill climb. So far, no new episodes of the show have been ordered.

We did get that Dollhouse thing wrong though. Once.

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151242 Robert Seidman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:29:16 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151242 J.R Herbaugh, they don't necessarily do that with more show. Mad Men added two minutes of commercials versus cutting content, to take it up to a 1:02 run time, but its episodes are 47-48 minutes in length already and Weiner didn't want to cut them so they expanded with 2 extra minutes (of commercials) rather than cut them down. TNT could do the same thing, just like ABC can do the same thing (it always steals a minute of Private Practice to get an extra minute of commercials in Grey's). But for all you and I know The Closer already sometimes does run 1:01 but that wasn't done by expanding the content, but rather the commercials. Holly, why would they even think about filming more scenes if they don't need the time? J.R Herbaugh, they don’t necessarily do that with more show. Mad Men added two minutes of commercials versus cutting content, to take it up to a 1:02 run time, but its episodes are 47-48 minutes in length already and Weiner didn’t want to cut them so they expanded with 2 extra minutes (of commercials) rather than cut them down.

TNT could do the same thing, just like ABC can do the same thing (it always steals a minute of Private Practice to get an extra minute of commercials in Grey’s). But for all you and I know The Closer already sometimes does run 1:01 but that wasn’t done by expanding the content, but rather the commercials.

Holly, why would they even think about filming more scenes if they don’t need the time?

]]> By: J.R. Herbaugh http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151240 J.R. Herbaugh Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:19:51 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151240 Tonight's "Nip/Tuck" runs 61 minutes, "Sunny" runs 31 minutes, "The League" runs 35 minutes. Why couldn't TNT do the same thing? (I'd expect reruns to be normal length.) Tonight’s “Nip/Tuck” runs 61 minutes, “Sunny” runs 31 minutes, “The League” runs 35 minutes. Why couldn’t TNT do the same thing? (I’d expect reruns to be normal length.)

]]> By: Dingo http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151239 Dingo Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:17:37 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151239 People, if you hate Bill or Robert's analysis so much, start your own site and the rest of us can pick you apart. People, if you hate Bill or Robert’s analysis so much, start your own site and the rest of us can pick you apart.

]]> By: Joss's Biggest Fan http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151236 Joss's Biggest Fan Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:09:00 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151236 "Southland" fans: I have never watched your show! I have no intention of ever watching your show! Unless Eliza Dushku shows up guest starring as a super-cool, super-sexy police officer who's actually a doll, I will never, ever watch your show! But I will say this: Robert and Bill are nice guys, but they are often wrong, wrong, wrong! I don't keep track of which guy says what, and mostly I just think of them as "Billbert", so I'm not going to bother looking up who said what exactly! But they said again and again and again and again and again that DOllhouse wouldn't come back, and they were wrong! They were wrong like communism! Wrong like murder! Wrong like doing anything that Joss doesn't like, ever! Again, I've never seen this "Southland" show! But I have skimmed a lot of the articles about it, in the mistaken impression that perhaps "Southland" was in some way relevant to my life! So I saw when Billbert said that no cable network would ever want the show! And I saw when Billbert said that TNT might not even air the episodes til spring! And I saw, just a week ago, when Billbert was convinced that the contracts were null and void! "Southland" fans, did you happen to read the Ausiello article linked to above, where it says they're actually on contract til January?! Yes, this is an another example of their wrongness! Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse rules! A-certain-show-just-picked-up-by-TNT-that-I-won't-mention-by-name-because-I-want-their-fans-on-my-side drools! Dollhouse! “Southland” fans: I have never watched your show! I have no intention of ever watching your show! Unless Eliza Dushku shows up guest starring as a super-cool, super-sexy police officer who’s actually a doll, I will never, ever watch your show!

But I will say this: Robert and Bill are nice guys, but they are often wrong, wrong, wrong! I don’t keep track of which guy says what, and mostly I just think of them as “Billbert”, so I’m not going to bother looking up who said what exactly! But they said again and again and again and again and again that DOllhouse wouldn’t come back, and they were wrong! They were wrong like communism! Wrong like murder! Wrong like doing anything that Joss doesn’t like, ever!

Again, I’ve never seen this “Southland” show! But I have skimmed a lot of the articles about it, in the mistaken impression that perhaps “Southland” was in some way relevant to my life!

So I saw when Billbert said that no cable network would ever want the show! And I saw when Billbert said that TNT might not even air the episodes til spring! And I saw, just a week ago, when Billbert was convinced that the contracts were null and void! “Southland” fans, did you happen to read the Ausiello article linked to above, where it says they’re actually on contract til January?! Yes, this is an another example of their wrongness!

Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse! Dollhouse rules! A-certain-show-just-picked-up-by-TNT-that-I-won’t-mention-by-name-because-I-want-their-fans-on-my-side drools! Dollhouse!

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151234 Bill Gorman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:59:49 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151234 @Fans without perspective, the mocking is of Ausiello. @Fans without perspective, the mocking is of Ausiello.

]]> By: Peter http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151225 Peter Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:25:21 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151225 @Sara, I agree. I dunno what Bill and Robert have against this show. I see nothing in this to mock, but of course, they have to find something. @Sara, I agree. I dunno what Bill and Robert have against this show. I see nothing in this to mock, but of course, they have to find something.

]]> By: Holly http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151223 Holly Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:19:08 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151223 @Sara, Considering Brooke Sheilds probably still thinks Lipstick Jungle could be coming back, actors who work on shows aren't always the most accurate sources of information. @Sara, Considering Brooke Sheilds probably still thinks Lipstick Jungle could be coming back, actors who work on shows aren’t always the most accurate sources of information.

]]> By: Sara http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151215 Sara Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:51:33 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151215 Yeah, I think I'll trust the person who actually works on the show over the guys who have consistently put a negative spin on every bit of good news regarding Southland. Yeah, I think I’ll trust the person who actually works on the show over the guys who have consistently put a negative spin on every bit of good news regarding Southland.

]]> By: Holly http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151213 Holly Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:48:19 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151213 Well, it was an idea :shrug: Since the don't need the extra time, if they do film more scenes, I'm going with my second explanation from the previous post: The real reason NBC delayed and then dropped Southland is because of problems with the new episodes and they need extra filming to fix them. Well, it was an idea :shrug:

Since the don’t need the extra time, if they do film more scenes, I’m going with my second explanation from the previous post: The real reason NBC delayed and then dropped Southland is because of problems with the new episodes and they need extra filming to fix them.

]]> By: mayorofsmpleton http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151203 mayorofsmpleton Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:40:50 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151203 Additional scenes would likely push the runtime to a mere 44-45 minutes, at best. Often the missing bits amount to very little. I would imagine if this was done it would be a stunt to get people to resample season 1. I could see them doing that. Additional scenes would likely push the runtime to a mere 44-45 minutes, at best.

Often the missing bits amount to very little. I would imagine if this was done it would be a stunt to get people to resample season 1. I could see them doing that.

]]> By: Tommy http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151196 Tommy Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:42:18 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151196 I could see them doing something like FX does with its DVD on TV, where they show deleted scenes during a commercial break. I could see them doing something like FX does with its DVD on TV, where they show deleted scenes during a commercial break.

]]> By: Mike http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151181 Mike Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:58:58 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151181 They could always replace non-essential scenes with new ones so they can tout "never before seen footage" without sacraficing ad time. They could always replace non-essential scenes with new ones so they can tout “never before seen footage” without sacraficing ad time.

]]> By: SonicAD http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151178 SonicAD Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:40:44 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151178 Runtime-wise sure, but... for the first 7 episodes TNT needs to draw in the people who watched them the first time around. Extra scenes would be a nice hook. Runtime-wise sure, but… for the first 7 episodes TNT needs to draw in the people who watched them the first time around. Extra scenes would be a nice hook.

]]> By: Bill Gorman http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2009/11/02/scoop-dont-look-for-tnt-to-expand-length-of-existing-southland-episodes/32380/comment-page-1/#comment-151177 Bill Gorman Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:34:27 +0000 http://tvbythenumbers.com/?p=32380#comment-151177 I think this should have been an Extra Super Terrific Scoop! I think this should have been an Extra Super Terrific Scoop!

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