Comments on: TV Ratings Thursday: ABC Edges CBS; FlashForward Keeps Sliding, Fringe Plummets

By: Bu

Bu — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:46:24 +0000

I love Flashforward! I hope it stcks!

By: Un-PC

Un-PC — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:22:17 +0000

Flash Forward – Liked it at first with the the sci-fi/drama angle. Then the show started dragging. Then ABC forced lesbians and a Barbara Boxer wannabee into my living room which is when I pulled the plug. Looking back I would say FF jumped the shark after about episode #2.

By: squiggleslash

squiggleslash — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:51:45 +0000

tvmegafan – if Fringe isn’t more popular than CSI and Grey’s, then it isn’t more popular than CSI or Grey’s. That’s Fringe’s fault, not Fox’s.

There’s a whole bunch of ways networks can cripple TV shows, but I draw the line at complaining that they considered them worthy enough to go up against stiff competition.

By: tvmegafan

tvmegafan — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:13:32 +0000

WELL DO YOU FREAKIN BLAME FRINGE? IT’S FOX FAULT, WHY THE HECK WOULD THEY EVER PUT FRINGE UP AGAINST CSI AND GREYS, ITS PLAIN RETARDED, IM BEGINING TO HATE FOX.

By: jr.

jr. — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:02:24 +0000

Shame for Flash Forward. I absolutely love the show and the past 2weeks to me have been the best shows yet. This week’s actually I think was the best ever, who wouldn’t felt that coming. The story keeps twisting and it just keeps me coming back each week.

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:35:37 +0000

Vader, sorry, but no. Fringe is NOT Lost, and there wasn’t anything serialized at all about Thursdays episode. It was completely procedural.

By: Vader

Vader — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:08:19 +0000

The answer is pretty obvious. Fringe is more serialized than Bones, so that will be hit harder by a break in the middle of the season like this. Go back and look at early seasons at LOST when ABC repeated the hell out of it. There’s a reason they don’t do that anymore.

By: PennsylvaniaPete

PennsylvaniaPete — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:17:16 +0000

Please, if FF gets cancelled, I hope they at least wrap it up like they failed to do with Journeyman and Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicals. Why try out a show a show when you know there is a chance it will be cancelled without a resolution? This go back to Lost in Space in the 1960s.

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:25:57 +0000

Nice to see Community and Parks improving. Community is far and away the best new comedy this year, and Parks has improved so drastically in quality that it’s almost a different show than it was last season.

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:12:03 +0000

Riff Rafferty, unless you work for FOX, your opinion counts for nothing.

By: Holly

Holly — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:53:15 +0000

I wonder if they include the viewers who prefer to watch these shows like flashforward online.

The numbers here do not include online viewing, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t measured. The networks do keep track of who is watching online via legal methods (e.g. iTunes, hulu, network websites).

It doesn’t really matter though, because online viewing is minuscule compared to TV viewing.

By: Boris

Boris — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:46:59 +0000

Riff Rafferty says:

“KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
“Oct 30 08 – HH: 3.91 mil, 18-49: 1.7/4

“FRINGE
“Nov 5 09 – HH: 4.86 mil, 18-49: 1.7/5

“I’m not seeing this incredible 18-49 improvement that everybody else is”

Did Fox broadcast the second half of game 5 of the 2008 World Series on October 29, 2008?

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By: Riff Rafferty

Riff Rafferty — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:48:56 +0000

“It’s ok to admit you are wrong sometimes. I do it too.”

I admit my math is bad all the time. That’s why I’ll let the math dweebs on this board do the math here for me. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ll admit it. If I’m not wrong, then I will bend over so you can kiss my Irish ass.

KITCHEN NIGHTMARES
Sep 4 08 (combined 2 hours) – HH: 5.28 mil, 18-49: 2.4/7
Sep 11 08 – HH: 6.18 mil, 18-49: 2.9/8
Sep 18 08 – HH: 6.15 mil, 18-49: 2.8/8
Sep 25 08 – HH: 4.46 mil, 18-49: 2.1/5
Oct 30 08 – HH: 3.91 mil, 18-49: 1.7/4
Nov 6 08 – HH: 4.70 mil, 18-49: 2.2/5
Nov 13 08 – HH: 4.91 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Nov 20 08 – HH: 4.69 mil, 18-49: 2.0/5

FRINGE
Sep 17 09 – HH: 7.82 mil, 18-49: 3.0/8
Sep 24 09 – HH: 5.73 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Oct 1 09 – HH: 6.03 mil, 18-49: 2.3/6
Oct 8 09 – HH: 5.83 mil, 18-49: 2.1/5
Oct 15 09 – HH: 5.78 mil, 18-49: 2.2/6
Nov 5 09 – HH: 4.86 mil, 18-49: 1.7/5

I’m not seeing this incredible 18-49 improvement that everybody else is (we won’t even get into what “Kitchen Nightmares” had for a lead-in some of those weeks vs. what “Fringe” has… and we certainly will not get into the first show to have “Bones” as a lead-in in the time slot). I guess I must be wrong.

As for “Joey,” if shows were cancelled merely on the basis of how horrible they are, we would have been rid of “Grey’s Anatomy” a long time ago.

By: Mumbo

Mumbo — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:50:15 +0000

Great to see Community slowly on growing, it almost caught Bones and FlashForward. Even if the numbers still aren’t that great, up is always better than down – especially since up is such a rare trend nowadays.

Hoo boy Fringe is in trouble. I don’t think the World Series excuse holds much water, since Bones seemed fine.

By: Chad

Chad — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:46:11 +0000

First time I thought FF trumped Fringe (entertainment factor), even though I find the acting often sketchy.

I am surprised about Fringe though. It’s still a good show, even if last night’s was a bit disappointing.

By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:09:25 +0000

I think this is a week when every show is down, most wednesday shows were down too. I hope everything recovers next week.

By: Ash

Ash — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:56:48 +0000

I wonder if they include the viewers who prefer to watch these shows like flashforward online. If not then they really should and yea vampire diaries is good supernatural has been good for a very long time it seems and i don’t think they can really carry this storyline or interesting plot out for half as long as supernatural has been on. The greatest thing about it is that its the only show thats is still just as good or getting better thats on. I mean smallville (thought i wldn’t see the day bc of tom welling) has gotten dull and its about superman!!! also I can really appreciate an adult occult show…things seem to be more marketed towards the teenies too much. i have no interest in re living high school so annoying we need more vampire shows/movies that are about adults n yea true blood is cool but im sorry i dont think anyone on that show is cute. n the whole out of the coffin is a difference that isn’t as good as the whole cloak n dagger approach is to me. wld soo luv to see a show based of ann rice n not that crap they spat out when they did queen of the damned. Bring back LESTAT!!!!!

By: jeremy

jeremy — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:31:09 +0000

So sad to see FakshForward down.I hope it recovers.Grey’s wins again.Godd for the show.

By: vsaint

vsaint — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:13:07 +0000

Carol, Still hung up on THE Eleventh HOUR. It got cancelled, it was a bad show, not one good review about it and only a handful of people on the board liked it and it had CSI as lead in.
Fringe’s target demo isn’t old females. Elventh HOur was and it’s gone.

By: 5506/Orange5506

5506/Orange5506 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:55:14 +0000

revised:

By: 5506/Orange5506

5506/Orange5506 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:54:32 +0000

I took a day-off. Also that picture is on Downtown Los Angeles, on the heart of Broadway on Broadway Facing North Between 8th & 5th Avenues. I know, Because i live 5 miles from that picture.
On the eastside. :ccol:

By: Holly

Holly — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:42:30 +0000

@Jake, On Thursdays or overall?

On Thursdays: CSI is down since Peterson left, but it looks like it’s at least stabilized. They’re winning the night in viewers and coming in a close second in the demo, so no real complaints.

Overall: They’re a little down from last year, but all-in-all pretty good (NBC and ABC are down significantly, FOX is up). A few shows are looking soft, but their only real weak spot is Sunday nights.

By: aznfratboy

aznfratboy — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:39:10 +0000

Supernatural was pulling the same ratings BEFORE Vampire Diaries

By: Jake

Jake — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:32:38 +0000

Is CBS doing bad or good?

By: Ben Thompson

Ben Thompson — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:56:23 +0000

@ Wendell

First of all its The Vampire Diaries and its the highest rated show on the CW. SPN should be lucky enough that it even gets that timeslot. Without it it would be below 2 mil

By: LuigiBros

LuigiBros — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:43:53 +0000

looks like FF’s ratings drop had nothing to do with the world series afterall

By: Robozilla

Robozilla — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:20:25 +0000

Everyone talks about the “potential” of FF. I watched only the pilot and pegged it correctly: Numb3rs + Medium + Grey’s Anatomy, with more wooden characters than any of those shows. It’s an FBI procedural with some doctors and prescient dreams. That’s not exactly potential. I also really couldn’t get past the idea that three California FBI agents would be immediately assigned to figure out (undoubtedly succeeding, eventually) a massive, global *scientific* problem.

I haven’t read the book, but know enough about it to know there is no way the show will follow the book’s explanation for the FF. It would massively disappoint the average viewer. So basically the TV writers are taking someone else’s premise and coming up with a completely new rationale for it. Seems kind a phony to me. Why not just start from scratch?

The V premiere was leaps and bounds better than FF’s.

By: Anna

Anna — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:05:23 +0000

Loved FLASHFORWARD last night! I still think that it will outlast V, which can only go down hill from here. I hope both shows survive and get a second season. I don’t see how anyone could be bored with Flashforward last night, it was one of the best episodes so far and next week looks fantastic.

By: The Other James

The Other James — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:28:25 +0000

Yay, “Community”! I think last night’s episode is one of the strongest since the incredible pilot. It really established a lot of character growth for Jeff, Abed, Annie, and Shirley. Yvette Nicole Brown was the most hysterical she’s ever been; and it was great for viewers to get a softer, more vulnerable side to Jeff. (Also, it was beyond cute how Jeff and Abed became closer friends.) And Alison Brie was so terrific last night; I love her. This show is just…love. I really hope that the Golden Globes give it at least one or two nominations in December. If not though, I just want it to do well.

By: daniel patrick

daniel patrick — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:45:13 +0000

i never really got how someone could just stop watching a show in its first season, especially one like flashforward, but now i see, i watched the first few episodes on hulu and then i just stopped watching, i don’t know why, i really like the show and want to see what happens but i just stopped, its crazy you know

By: Don J

Don J — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:20:47 +0000

Again, ABC already committed to producing 25 hours of FF. Whether or not it gets a 2nd season is another story.

By: Holly

Holly — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:47:01 +0000

@MichyGeary,
It will still get its full season, but unless the numbers increase, it may not get a second season.

By: MichyGeary

MichyGeary — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:40:35 +0000

Wow. What does this mean for FlashForward? Is it going to be in danger?

By: Alison

Alison — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:25:14 +0000

The finals are in –

Private Practice
- 9.110 million viewers
- 6.0/10 HH
- 3.4/10 A18-49

CSI
- 15.604 million viewers
- 9.7/15 HH
- 3.5/9 A18-49

The Mentalist
- 16.211 million viewers
- 10.4/18 HH
- 3.6/10 A18-49

Read it and weep CSI and Private Practice. The Mentalist beat you on viewers and the demo!!

By: NBCisaBUST

NBCisaBUST — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:25:03 +0000

Joe,
Survivor is still getting huge a rating…just because you find it to be getting old doesn’t mean everyone does

By: LJ

LJ — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:20:39 +0000

that guy on lost is so irritating on flash forward. He is making me not want to watch the show anymore.

By: dru

dru — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:13:28 +0000

I didn’t watch baseball. I was surprised Fringe was on. I only found out because there was a topic about it on a site I read. I tried to let people know but I know not everyone caught it, even one guy with DVR didn’t have it recorded.

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:07:09 +0000

Flash Forward should be a movie not a 23+ episode show.

The Mentalist did awesome I love that show.

I watch CBS everyday except Saturday and Sunday but I do not watch any of the CSI’s they are all boring and are getting old so I think CBS needs to make a schedule change for thursday because both CSI and Survivor are getting same old, same old.

By: Sam

Sam — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:23:16 +0000

Wow, surprisingly it looks like V will be ABC’s top show this week, that is if “Desperate Housewives” doesn’t do better on Sunday.

By: TVViaWebWatcher

TVViaWebWatcher — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:23:06 +0000

Bill is absolutly right. Sure, the lack of knowledge can account for some of the Fringe drop, but not ALL of it. People may no longer be interested, they just don’t care enough to watch it live when there are other programs on they like more. Would anyone have ever really jumped on the Fringe band wagon if it didn’t get the AI love last year? I doubt it would get a full season with it being so bad.

By: Holly

Holly — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:20:19 +0000

@Jeff L,
As has been mentioned numerous times…Why did that schedule confusion affect Fringe so much more than Bones?

By: Jeff L

Jeff L — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:16:00 +0000

Part of the reason “Fringe” dropped is that most cable networks still had the worldseries in the online schedule, so most DVRs didn’t pick up Fringe to record it. In fact I would have missed it if I hadn’t forced a manual recording of the hour. So I think cable companies may be at fault here. There was reason to believe that there might be a game 7 of the World Series so the schedule didn’t reflect a new “Fringe” until the last minute and I’m sure most people missed it because there was not auto-recording of the show unless you happened to catch it.

By: rodshooter

rodshooter — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:13:01 +0000

The Mentalist is starting to turn into the best show on the broadcasters. Jane is one hell of a character.

By: Bill Gorman

Bill Gorman — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:10:16 +0000

an4rew, “No one seems to be mentioning the fact that this was the first new Fringe episode for 3 weeks.”

“Perhaps Fox was in a bit of a World Series hangover (or as several commenters have suggested scheduling confusion), but after a 2 week baseball hiatus it slumped on the night with Bones down a tenth of a rating point to a 2.5 adults 18-49 rating, and Fringe plummeting 0.5 points to a 1.7 rating.”

No one?

It was also the first Bones episode in 3 weeks, and Bones was down just a tenth.

By: AlleyCat

AlleyCat — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:10:00 +0000

Sigh… V vs FlashForward already? Just because two shows are based in Speculative Fiction means that they are anything alike. But that’s how they are judged I guess.

I think it’s interesting almost everyone knows how V will end. They just want to see how it unfolds. Meanwhile, FlashForward is taking some interesting departures from the source material, which is making it interesting for me at least (wondering how many FF viewers actually read the book). I want them both to stay!

But I am getting sick of FF acting like we’re goldfish… we don’t need to see all the flashforwards every single week… we know what they saw, get on with the story. I’ll blame an exec somewhere for all the repetitious exposition (did I give anyone a bingo on that one?).

By: an4rew

an4rew — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:05:09 +0000

No one seems to be mentioning the fact that this was the first new Fringe episode for 3 weeks.

By: J.R. Herbaugh

J.R. Herbaugh — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:03:03 +0000

ABC’s comeback season ABC is down 6-11% across the board. I'm guessing the "V" bump gets eaten up when Scrubs and Ted come back.

By: j

Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:02:26 +0000

Well, final #’s will change the borderlines, but for now: Wow, VD in absolute terms beat Fringe, and in relative terms (*1.5) was #2 in its hour.
I hope Grey’s goes up to a 5.2 with finals, and 30 Rock a 3.

By: CK

CK — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:55:51 +0000

FlashForward is so not LOST. FlashForward writers/producers seem like they are trying to balance revealing big plot points vs show longevity. Longevity is winning. As result, the show is plodding and tries to be compelling by relying on the relationships between the characters and those relationships are not all that compelling. The show is not bad, just suffers from the necessary production compromises.