Fringe rebounded last Thursday, and the new index should reflect this.

What do you think FOX will do? Order 5 or 9 more? Strictly in your opinion, that is. I know it’s anyone’s guess.

Personally, I think the second season of Lie to Me so much better than season one.

How is the show doing in ratings in general? Good enough for another season, right?

There are a lot of possibilities for “Lie To Me.” It’s possible it could get 5, 9, or even 0 additional episodes, and a lack of a back 9 wouldn’t necessarily preclude it from returning next year. If FOX schedules “24″ with “House” there won’t really be room for it unless FOX bounces “Fringe” to Fridays.

Do you think FOX will give Lie to Me the full 22 episodes for this season? If so, why are they waiting to announce that?

However; I do think Supernatural and Fringe are canceling each other out in the live viewing and DVR viewing. Both share the exact same audience, and there are those that will drop one for the other.

Thursday 9pm is much tougher.
FRINGE (average low 2′s) vs Grey’s – 5.1, Office 4.1, CSI 3.5, Supernatural 1.1.
Monday 9pm.
LTM (mid-high 2′s) vs Two Men/BBT – 4.4/4.5, DWTS – 3.7, Trauma – 1.8, Gossip Girl 1.2.

I’m guessing both LTM and Fringe will get a least 1 special airing on Tuesday after IDOL. Maybe as a faceoff.
So what if FOX doesn’t own the show, CBS doesn’t own Two Half Men or Big Bang Theory, but they invested in making them hits.
Fringe is much further along, has name recognition as updated X-Files.
JJ Abrams show, and actually has a quite a fanbase, selling dvd’s, merchandise.
LTM is own by FOX, but it only has 13 episodes last year, 13+ 3-5 additional, whatever the #. Nobody know’s anything about the show, sells virtually no dvd’s and is nowhere near syndication.
Fringe ratings are still quite a bit better, if you compare ratings reletive to lead ins.
Last year Fringe had around 3.9 average, LTM around 2.9.
This year LTM is slightly lower around 2.7-8 and Fringe is around low 2′s.

The problem with Fringe is that the show is uneven, it has some very good episodes (the mythology ones) and it has some very bad. I don’t mind the combination of mythology and stand alone – to be honest I prefer that – but make the stand alone episodes equally compelling and most important original. With Fringe it seems that they only care about the overall story and the MOTW is there just to buy time. If the only reason to watch a show is to take the answers for the mythology then that show does not deserve to be watched, viewers should also be able to enjoy the ride. I understand that not every episode can be great but at least show some effort. In Fringe all the MOTW so far are copies of the X-Files episodes and not even good ones. In The X-Files we’ve waited years and years to get the whole picture but it was worth it because in the meantime we’ve got many little masterpieces, so many thought-provoking, scary, character-study episodes that never get old. Same with Buffy, Angel, Millennium where some of the best episodes were the stand alones.

Either the CW or FOX needs to make a move in that slot because the ratings for both shows suffer. Although I think SN is more of a case of incompatible lead in.

I tried to watch Vampire Diaries and got fed up with it’s cheesy fog effects and poor use of Ian Somerhalder midway thru the 2nd ep and quit watching.

The last episodes of 1st season were like an orgasm, but with this new episodes they returned back at the bad episodes of season 1. People expected an evolution from last episdoes, but they did the opposite, returning to banal episodes that dont contribute in anything to the general story. I don’t understand their policy, it was demostrated that following the story like last lst seasons episodes was good, but they want to try make individual episodes that anybody can see without havent seen the full show, for what? try to get new viwers? They are lossing them…

I really hope they rectify fast and do like the 1st season were the 1st 6-7 eiposdes were bad and then they redirected the show to a masterpiece.

And that’s a serious problem, because they are still the defacto authority over at Fringe, and their attention is elsewhere much of the time.

They either have to come back fulltime (unlikely) or let somebody else completely take over.

Or they could just say “It’s the timeslot”, point to improved ratings for FOX at that hour, and wait to see if they get renewed anyway.

Rebecca has figured out The Pattern!

I do agree the World Series killed last weeks ratings of the Fringe. My “guide” said World Series 6-10pm or whatever and I checked anyways to see if Fringe was on which it was. How many people did that??

Moving this show to Fridays would kill this show and I believe it is far too early to do that only 1/2 into the Second Season. That was exactly the same outcome of “Jericho” on CBS. Also I remember a show called “Millennium”, moved to Fridays and was cancelled.

13 eps of “Are You Smarter Than Jessica Alba”

@DocH That seems to be one of the things Lie to Me and Fringe have in common this year: They’re both sophomore shows in pretty tough timeslots. They’re up against, as you stated, established shows with huge audiences. Obviously Fox takes this into account. At the end of the day, they have to put some shows in those time slots. House does well against DWTS, but it’s also an established show with an established following. I’d be happy if Fox showed a little more faith. And I’m with Dan… I hope they announce the schedule soon.

Overall, though, it would be sad if they cancelled it.

“But I’ll try to keep future discussion limited to only those shows with high nerd appeal. I know when FOX decides not to air an episode of some Joss Whedon piece of shit that had no business being on the air in the first place, it’s a cause for Robert to make 20 threads on the subject, each one filled with 200 nerdorrific rants in the comments section.”

How else are we going to fill up our bingo cards, especially now that Eastwick has been canceled.

Looking by the ratings for the most recent broadcasts of each, about as many people as care what happens with all the episodes of “Dollhouse.” Approximately 2 million.

But I’ll try to keep future discussion limited to only those shows with high nerd appeal. I know when FOX decides not to air an episode of some Joss Whedon piece of shit that had no business being on the air in the first place, it’s a cause for Robert to make 20 threads on the subject, each one filled with 200 nerdorrific rants in the comments section.

If you fangirls believe that FOX is solidly behind a show they threw to the wolves and has fallen flat on its face (just like they knew it would), I’ve got both a Brooklyn Bridge and a bootleg DVD collection of all 13 episodes of the quietly-successful “Eastwick” to sell you.

Fox will NEVER move their animation from Sunday to Friday.

A lof of good shows go crashing on thursday’s from NBC.

It would be interesting to read an article about shows who were highly rated, then killed by placing them against American Idol or against Survivor back in the day. Especialy when Amercian Idol and Survivor played on the same day….

Move all the animation from Sundays to Fridays

Introduce my new dramas on Sundays

Slide Idol to Wed/Thurs

Not everyone. A lot of people still don’t. Everyone on here obviously does so they don’t have an excuse.

If the ratings rebound, then those viewers who missed it will be happy the series isn’t completely serialized, otherwise they would have no idea what’s going on.

In fact, not being as serialized means that viewers can tune back in if they miss a couple of episodes.

Mondays
8:00 House
9:00 24

Tuesdays
8:00 American Idol
9:00 Past Life (Jan-March)
9:00 Hell’s Kitchen (March-June)

Wednesdays
8:00 American Idol
9:00 Human Target (Jan-March)
9:00 Glee (March-May)

Thursdays
8:00 Bones
9:00 Fringe

Fridays
8:00 Lie to Me (Jan-March)
8:00 Human Target (March-May; Remaining Episodes)
9:00 Dollhouse (Jan)
9:00 Kitchen Nightmares (Jan-March)

Its likely Kitchen Nightmares will air a new season fridays at 9. Fridays at 8 can be used as a slot for remaining episodes of a drama that FOX doesnt have room for. Im sick of guessing, FOX just announce the schedule lol.

Unless you have a Nielsen box, you probably helped the show more (though very little more) by watching on Fox.com than on your DVR.