Let’s hope, at the very least, Fringe survives this.

Quince, FOX only has two hours of primetime–they’d have to dump half of their animated shows to put Fringe there. That bloc makes them a ton of money, and they are not going to mess with it.

It is not moving to cable–not even FX. HBO and Showtime do not pick up shows from other networks. SyFy hasn’t done that in a long time, and could not afford Fringe, even if they wanted it.

Best Fringe can hope for is a different timeslot on FOX–where it would have to substantially improve on its current performance.

not to mention the upcoming Caprica which looks promising

I think personally it should move to Shotime or HBO or maybe to Syfy Channel.

I always want to watch the show but never seem to catch it. I wish it was in syndication somewhere so i could watch repeats.

But I still think FOX will give it another chance. THEN cancel it. That’s their M.O. lately. If they gave Joss Whedon another chance to prove Dollhouse could work, when it couldn’t even do as well as COPS repeats, if they gave Sarah Connor Chronicles another chance, then they are most likely giving Fringe another chance. Yes, this is its second season, but it did well in its first. They are not ready to give up on it. They will look at the DVR numbers and think “We can get these people back.”

But yeah, this season has been very disappointing, and barring a major creative shakeup, it’s not going to rebound. Though let’s be real–that’s the toughest timeslot in television. Fringe would have had to have vastly improved from the previous season to compete there. And I thought maybe it could. And I learned sadly it couldn’t.

The problem with FlashForward and Fringe is they are trying too hard to be like Lost… but they can’t

While it’ll be a shame to lose Fringe, it is hardly brilliant television or even sci-fi. As to sci-fi shows these days, there are quite a few, just off the top of my head (ignoring FlashForward and Fringe):

Lost, Warehouse 13, Eureka, SGU, Dr Who, Torchwood, Being Human, V.

So there is quite a few sci fi shows out there and almost everyone of the shows I named above are better than Fringe (IMO). So I am happy to enjoy both Fringe and FlashForward now but I really don’t care if they are cancelled because there are better shows to watch.

There lies the problem. People have many other things to do in life now and don’t have the patience to sit out a 100 hour film spread over 5 years.

*goes back to watching Eureka*

I’d even support 13 ep short seasons to aid in the task — remember BSG started laying its first few stinkers in S2 when they had to crank out 22 instead of 13 like the miraculous S1.

[To add a somewhat gratuitous bash of BSG -- it is an outlier in that knowing well in advance what their last season was going to be, Moore still started pulling major plotlines out of his a$$ (Final Five anyone?) late in the game, resulting in the unsatisfying incoherent mess of an ending.]

If they move it back to Tuesday 9:00, I’ll figure they are going to keep it.

If they leave it where it is, I’ll suspect they are done with it.

If they move it to Friday, I’ll KNOW they are done with it.

Honestly, stay or go, I couldn’t care less. All I care about is “Lie to Me,” which is in trouble. And if that show is in trouble…

I’m sick to death of the mistreatment of Asians **Males** in American cinema, and while I’m glad that an Asian Male has a leading role in a major series, this does not make up for 1) The slew of Asian killers on the prowl for the FBI and 2) the terribly **CLICHE** treatment of Japanese businessmen, all of whom are apparently holding back Keiko from all she can be.

Please, please recognize this for what it is: White Male Geisha Girl Fantasy.

Such a shame FF was not a movie or mini series. It would’ve been great in such a context but now that the novelity of the story is out, it’s too late. Missed opportunity.

As for Thursday’s episode, it was the worst of the season. Matter of fact, the only one so far I didn’t like. I was bored out of my mind and I don’t think anyone could write more plain, dull characters than Keiko and Bryce.

But I loved Fringe last night. It wasn’t a WOW episode and it wasn’t terribly exciting but it was very entertaining and even though I was sleepy watching it, I didn’t want to go to bed until I saw it through.

I really hope Fringe gets a better timeslot. They need it. Without it, this show is done.

Unless Flash Forward stops bleeding viewers it has no chance of a 2nd season, which would be hard since it’s a show that you have to watch every episode in order to understand it. Unless it’s ratings stablize and increase somewhat I’d be surprised if it would get a 2nd season. It’s an expensive show with a large cast.

Flashforward would have to improve a lot to get me watching again.
If it gets cancelled I don’t really care.

I think Fringe will get another season, maybe only 13 episodes, Flashforward gets cancelled and Human Target toatlly flops.

FlashForward does get a boost in the DVR ratings, but like Fringe those don’t matter. ABC might see the DVR numbers as a reason to move it to 10PM on Tuesday or Wednesday (my money is on V getting Tuesdays at 10 following Lost) to see if live viewing improves. That’s really it’s only shot at seeing a 2nd season, and it’s long shot at best.

“The hope is we get a few more viewers watching the show live,” Earley said. “Or at least watching it within three days of air.”

There true goal was to get more live viewers, but from what I’m reading here, they are willing to hold their nose and deal with Live + 3 numbers if there’s enough of an increase within those numbers. And if the live numbers are any indication, they weren’t successful.

Bottom line, live viewers are what any network wants, followed by the following 3 days of DVR viewing (those still count, but IMO not worth as much as live viewers.) DVR viewing after 3 days if pretty much meaningless except to the PR people.

I don’t see how FOX can justify keeping Fringe for another season with the ratings it’s getting this season. Short of a new timeslot, which I don’t see any room on another night for it besides Fridays, The show’s fate is sealed. Fridays would likely do worse than it’s currently doing now on Thursdays. So to the fans, pray for a new night. That’s it’s only shot at getting a 3rd season, and even then without a huge increase in viewers the show’s days are numbered.

Given how well FOX is doing this fall, and it’s only going to get better this winter when Idol returns, they are going to have pretty high expectations ratings wise. Especially when it comes to expensive dramas that they don’t produce in house.

If FF doesn’t survive, then throw V at 9 and another new drama at 10.

I did hear that they would solve the mystery of the FF at the end of this current season so would there really be any need for another?

I dont really like Fringe, I watch Supernatural and hope it gets another season. It would probably benefir from the cancellation of Fringe as long as they dont replace it with something that is aimed at the same audience!

But no.

I still think both shows come back, everything is dropping.

The problem with this semi-serialized type of show is that it needs a consistent spot. Once you move it and you lose your following I do not see it coming back in droves in a different time slot.

I would like to see it moved to a better time slot on a less congested day but I doubt it will survive past a 3rd season if it even gets a 3rd season.

Which is just too bad. Of course I started off liking the concept and story but was not a big Anna Torv at all. Over time I have really grown to like her in that role.

I love the Walter Bishop character.

The story telling has been too disjointed regarding the major fringe events, which is too bad as this is my main interest.

Oh well add that to FireFly, TSCC as shows that I loved on Fox and that they messed up with.

Yeah, you will because the main goal of the Observer Week, per FOX itself, was to raise the Live audience – or the Live + 3 Day. FOX pretty much only went after pre-existing Fringe fans for “August”: the DVRers. And since we don’t have the Live + 3 Day numbers then we really can’t say whether or not the strategy worked. My automatic thought would be that it did, since I can see a Fringe fan putting off say, “Night of Desireable Objects”, but I would think they’d rush a bit more to see “August.”

Live + SD and Live + 3 Day are what the networks and advertisers use to set ad rates. Fringe has a large Live + 7 Day. FOX needs to get those 7 Day-ers to watch 4 days earlier.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118011366.html?categoryId=14&cs=1

IF 24 ends this year and Human Target flops big, Fringe may get brought back by default. I personally love the show and I think it’s ashame FOX gave Lie To Me the Monday time slot instead of Fringe, but that’s just the way it is.

FOX simply will not find a show that can sustain an audience in that timeslot. Not until the competition goes away. Until then, they should just go with something cheap IMO.

Flashforward is a very solid show IMO, but you can’t miss an episode or you’re loss. It’s a lot like 24 or Lost in that regard. The problem with it right now is the story is taking a very long to develop and audiences just don’t have patience. I think Flashforward comes back in 2010 much like Life on Mars did, but whether or not it gets a second season remains to be seen. If it can stay around that 2.5 range, I think it has a chance. Maybe a bold ending would garner the final episode some hype and it could build off of that.

Is ABC really going to have both Flashforward and V end with one season? If so, then ouch especially on top of Lost ending.