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	<title>Comments on: Stargate Universe: &quot;SGU&quot; ratings sink to series low 1.34 million for fall finale</title>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James

We all understand, and will expect, that you will continue to like SGU, no matter what.  

And, I think that if Syfy felt as strongly about the first 10 episodes of SGU as you do, then they wouldn&#039;t have cancelled the marathon they had scheduled for Christmas day.  

Joeseph has written some alright episodes and some not-so-alright episodes.  Looking at his current trend in interests, I&#039;m going to go with &quot;Space&quot; being in the latter catagory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>We all understand, and will expect, that you will continue to like SGU, no matter what.  </p>
<p>And, I think that if Syfy felt as strongly about the first 10 episodes of SGU as you do, then they wouldn&#8217;t have cancelled the marathon they had scheduled for Christmas day.  </p>
<p>Joeseph has written some alright episodes and some not-so-alright episodes.  Looking at his current trend in interests, I&#8217;m going to go with &#8220;Space&#8221; being in the latter catagory.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Morena
Thats you opinion, I just finished re-watching the first 10 SGU episodes and its far from boring. Unlike you i think SGU is very well written, has great acting, excellent music, and the best visual effects I have seen in a series. For all those ppl who haven&#039;t watched SGU in HD then your really missing out. For me the only writing that didn&#039;t fit was the dialog in water between Young and Scott it felt forced and repetitve. Other then that small piece its all been bang on. I&#039;m really excited to see what jospesh as in store for us in &quot;Space&quot; I have always enjoyed his episodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Morena<br />
Thats you opinion, I just finished re-watching the first 10 SGU episodes and its far from boring. Unlike you i think SGU is very well written, has great acting, excellent music, and the best visual effects I have seen in a series. For all those ppl who haven&#8217;t watched SGU in HD then your really missing out. For me the only writing that didn&#8217;t fit was the dialog in water between Young and Scott it felt forced and repetitve. Other then that small piece its all been bang on. I&#8217;m really excited to see what jospesh as in store for us in &#8220;Space&#8221; I have always enjoyed his episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that what a person experiences affects &quot;how&quot; they write. There are many examples of this.  Another observation is that if Reality TV and villains are what currently interest the producers/writers, then this is what we have to look forward to in characters that have no real redeeming qualities, and poorly written survivor-like plot-lines.  

That is boring.  So, I agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that what a person experiences affects &#8220;how&#8221; they write. There are many examples of this.  Another observation is that if Reality TV and villains are what currently interest the producers/writers, then this is what we have to look forward to in characters that have no real redeeming qualities, and poorly written survivor-like plot-lines.  </p>
<p>That is boring.  So, I agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: xedout</title>
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		<dc:creator>xedout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morena, some writers (myself included) write about what interests them, or try to work on questions they&#039;d like to explore. It&#039;s not always what you know. That&#039;s boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morena, some writers (myself included) write about what interests them, or try to work on questions they&#8217;d like to explore. It&#8217;s not always what you know. That&#8217;s boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a recent and direct quote from (SGU Producer) Joseph Mallozzi:

&quot;...I’m looking to catch the Survivor season finale tonight. He [Russell] was annoying in the beginning but I now have a grudging respect for the guy. I’d vote for him. But, then again, I like villains. If Brett makes it to finale, he wins. If any of the other two besides Russell, they win. Alas, I don’t think Russell is all that popular.&quot;
.

Now, with food:  You are what you eat. 

And, with writing:  You write what you see/experience.

. 

I knew they were probably getting some of their script ideas from Survivor!!

I have nothing against Survivor, but judging from what SGU&#039;s producers have had to say, SGU is likely going to continue on with its Reality TV and Soap Opera writing.    

&quot;The Tribe Has Spoken.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a recent and direct quote from (SGU Producer) Joseph Mallozzi:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I’m looking to catch the Survivor season finale tonight. He [Russell] was annoying in the beginning but I now have a grudging respect for the guy. I’d vote for him. But, then again, I like villains. If Brett makes it to finale, he wins. If any of the other two besides Russell, they win. Alas, I don’t think Russell is all that popular.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Now, with food:  You are what you eat. </p>
<p>And, with writing:  You write what you see/experience.</p>
<p>. </p>
<p>I knew they were probably getting some of their script ideas from Survivor!!</p>
<p>I have nothing against Survivor, but judging from what SGU&#8217;s producers have had to say, SGU is likely going to continue on with its Reality TV and Soap Opera writing.    </p>
<p>&#8220;The Tribe Has Spoken.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: xedout</title>
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		<dc:creator>xedout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobW, it may be the tax credit. There&#039;s only a 5 or 6% US dollar/Canadian dollar exchange rate now. Nothing too enticing for US productions.

There is a good idea in SGU - somewhere. It&#039;s just clearing out the junk. Maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobW, it may be the tax credit. There&#8217;s only a 5 or 6% US dollar/Canadian dollar exchange rate now. Nothing too enticing for US productions.</p>
<p>There is a good idea in SGU &#8211; somewhere. It&#8217;s just clearing out the junk. Maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: RobW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot--a great many--a plethora, a swelling cornucopia, a gigantic overreach, a huge tidal wave of SciFi concepts out there ready to be plucked, picked, harvested, pulled in and turned into television. There are great alternate-universe writers (Birmingham, Sterling, Turtledove) great techno-writers (Richard Morgan, Robert Sawyer) and plenty of deep-think SciFi writers for the 1920s that can be harvested (Stapledon, for one) and if they want some deep drama there is always Earth Abides by Stewart or how about the stories by Lloyd Biggle and dozens of others waiting to be picked up for nothing.

Unfortunately, the current crop of producers and writers for SGU don&#039;t seem to read, much less be capable of writing. They&#039;ve lost it. Nevertheless, do not under-estimate the power of vanity. These guys (yes, they are mostly guys) go out to lunch together and make nice and convince each other they have the latest greatest derivative piece of junk that will make them millions and the crowds will just lap it up and blam! They deliver a stinker like SGU. The only really worthwhile question is whether they will do like the New York bankers and actually get away with it.

Hopefully they have a few nickels of their own invested in this catastrophe, but probably not. They just squandered their investor&#039;s money on their own over-inflated self-confidence and erstwhile conviction that the public will eat up the nux vomicus they dictated in the fifteen minutes between the soak in their hot tub and the second bloody mary of their Sunday morning.

This series was a failure from the first treatment, but no one was brave enough to take responsibility for it. If they were in LA they&#039;d never work in this town again.

But, they aren&#039;t in LA, are they? For them it&#039;s Vancouver. It isn&#039;t a script they are selling, it&#039;s a tax credit, a low Canadian dollar, and a non-union workforce. Unfortunately, not even those perks can turn a sow&#039;s ear into a silk purse full of silver shekels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot&#8211;a great many&#8211;a plethora, a swelling cornucopia, a gigantic overreach, a huge tidal wave of SciFi concepts out there ready to be plucked, picked, harvested, pulled in and turned into television. There are great alternate-universe writers (Birmingham, Sterling, Turtledove) great techno-writers (Richard Morgan, Robert Sawyer) and plenty of deep-think SciFi writers for the 1920s that can be harvested (Stapledon, for one) and if they want some deep drama there is always Earth Abides by Stewart or how about the stories by Lloyd Biggle and dozens of others waiting to be picked up for nothing.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the current crop of producers and writers for SGU don&#8217;t seem to read, much less be capable of writing. They&#8217;ve lost it. Nevertheless, do not under-estimate the power of vanity. These guys (yes, they are mostly guys) go out to lunch together and make nice and convince each other they have the latest greatest derivative piece of junk that will make them millions and the crowds will just lap it up and blam! They deliver a stinker like SGU. The only really worthwhile question is whether they will do like the New York bankers and actually get away with it.</p>
<p>Hopefully they have a few nickels of their own invested in this catastrophe, but probably not. They just squandered their investor&#8217;s money on their own over-inflated self-confidence and erstwhile conviction that the public will eat up the nux vomicus they dictated in the fifteen minutes between the soak in their hot tub and the second bloody mary of their Sunday morning.</p>
<p>This series was a failure from the first treatment, but no one was brave enough to take responsibility for it. If they were in LA they&#8217;d never work in this town again.</p>
<p>But, they aren&#8217;t in LA, are they? For them it&#8217;s Vancouver. It isn&#8217;t a script they are selling, it&#8217;s a tax credit, a low Canadian dollar, and a non-union workforce. Unfortunately, not even those perks can turn a sow&#8217;s ear into a silk purse full of silver shekels.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This show is full of characters I&#039;ve wanted to die for a long time.

Like everybody else I wanted to love this series, but it seems more like a cheap grasp at what Battlestar had but without the balls to take it to the wall or the passion to make it feel real.

I feel sorry for what Carlyle has to work with, both in the script and the sub-par performances from the under 30 cast (except Jamil Walker Smith and Alaina Huffman who are great).

That said, the ending perked me up, I will watch the 2nd half of the season, and I hope Rush comes back and blows them all up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This show is full of characters I&#8217;ve wanted to die for a long time.</p>
<p>Like everybody else I wanted to love this series, but it seems more like a cheap grasp at what Battlestar had but without the balls to take it to the wall or the passion to make it feel real.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for what Carlyle has to work with, both in the script and the sub-par performances from the under 30 cast (except Jamil Walker Smith and Alaina Huffman who are great).</p>
<p>That said, the ending perked me up, I will watch the 2nd half of the season, and I hope Rush comes back and blows them all up.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Boo
Its was .7m for the SGU Enocore not the Monk encore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Boo<br />
Its was .7m for the SGU Enocore not the Monk encore</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James

So, you look at the DVR+7 on SGU during Monk finale.  Is it not unreasonable to assume there are DVR+7 for Monk finale as well?  So, regardless of how you look at it, SGU with DVR+7, and Monk with DVR+7, SGU still got low balled hardcore on the viewership. Plus, 0.7 live viewership for the encore of Monk?  That is MORE than half of what SGU brought in on it&#039;s first showing.  What were the numbers for the encore showing of SGU?  You didn&#039;t provide that bit of information; it was conveniently left out.

You still fail to bring a logical argument as to why SGU is a great show.

You still fail to bring in the proper evidence to support your claims.

You still provide one sided views instead of looking at everything as a whole.

You still cannot understand the the 2 year contract, let alone research why people keep bringing it up whenever you say, &quot;if it&#039;s so bad, why was it renewed for a second season? Nana Nana boo boo...&quot;

Here&#039;s some Stargate for you, make ya famous!  


Scene - Rodney McKay&#039;s lab on Atlantis - Night

(Looking through a microscope)

Rodney:  Hey, Sheppard, come an have a look at this.

(Sheppard, now looking through the microscope)

Sheppard:  Is that the sample from James&#039; blood we found outside the gate room?

Rodney:  Emmhmm.

Sheppard: Rodney...Are those what I think they are?...

(Quick to reply with sarcasm)

Rodney: As far as I can tell, but don&#039;t ask me how.  I&#039;ve been trying to come up with a rational explanation the entire 30seconds I&#039;ve been standing here.

(Sheppard, no longer looking through the microscope, but instead now looking at Rodney worried)

Sheppard: Well are they dangerous?

Rodney: Na&#039;emmm.  Have another look.  

(Sheppard looks through the microscope again)

Rodney: See, they&#039;re all just sort of spinning in circles not doing anything.  

(Rambling)

Rodney: I call it...Jamesing...Little something I coined...

(Rodney smiles with pride)

Sheppard: What happens when they stop spinning?

(Again, quick to answer with sarcasm)

Rodney: I DON&quot;T know, let me ask God.  Hmmm, God just told me, &quot;The same thing they try to do every night...Try to take over the world.&quot;

(Sheppard, with a smirk on his face)

Sheppard:  O that&#039;s cute Rodney.

(Rodney smiles)

Rodney:  You like that?  Was watching a &#039;Pinky &amp; The Brain&#039; DVD set with Ronon last night.

Sheppard:  And I wasn&#039;t invited?...

Rodney:  You don&#039;t like popcorn...

(Sheppard shrugs his shoulders in agreement)

Rodney:  Look, as soon as they...Stop...Jamesing around I--

(Sheppard cutting him off)

Sheppard: You&#039;ll give me a call.  Got it...

(Sheppard walking off)

Sheppard: And next time I want an invite...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>So, you look at the DVR+7 on SGU during Monk finale.  Is it not unreasonable to assume there are DVR+7 for Monk finale as well?  So, regardless of how you look at it, SGU with DVR+7, and Monk with DVR+7, SGU still got low balled hardcore on the viewership. Plus, 0.7 live viewership for the encore of Monk?  That is MORE than half of what SGU brought in on it&#8217;s first showing.  What were the numbers for the encore showing of SGU?  You didn&#8217;t provide that bit of information; it was conveniently left out.</p>
<p>You still fail to bring a logical argument as to why SGU is a great show.</p>
<p>You still fail to bring in the proper evidence to support your claims.</p>
<p>You still provide one sided views instead of looking at everything as a whole.</p>
<p>You still cannot understand the the 2 year contract, let alone research why people keep bringing it up whenever you say, &#8220;if it&#8217;s so bad, why was it renewed for a second season? Nana Nana boo boo&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some Stargate for you, make ya famous!  </p>
<p>Scene &#8211; Rodney McKay&#8217;s lab on Atlantis &#8211; Night</p>
<p>(Looking through a microscope)</p>
<p>Rodney:  Hey, Sheppard, come an have a look at this.</p>
<p>(Sheppard, now looking through the microscope)</p>
<p>Sheppard:  Is that the sample from James&#8217; blood we found outside the gate room?</p>
<p>Rodney:  Emmhmm.</p>
<p>Sheppard: Rodney&#8230;Are those what I think they are?&#8230;</p>
<p>(Quick to reply with sarcasm)</p>
<p>Rodney: As far as I can tell, but don&#8217;t ask me how.  I&#8217;ve been trying to come up with a rational explanation the entire 30seconds I&#8217;ve been standing here.</p>
<p>(Sheppard, no longer looking through the microscope, but instead now looking at Rodney worried)</p>
<p>Sheppard: Well are they dangerous?</p>
<p>Rodney: Na&#8217;emmm.  Have another look.  </p>
<p>(Sheppard looks through the microscope again)</p>
<p>Rodney: See, they&#8217;re all just sort of spinning in circles not doing anything.  </p>
<p>(Rambling)</p>
<p>Rodney: I call it&#8230;Jamesing&#8230;Little something I coined&#8230;</p>
<p>(Rodney smiles with pride)</p>
<p>Sheppard: What happens when they stop spinning?</p>
<p>(Again, quick to answer with sarcasm)</p>
<p>Rodney: I DON&#8221;T know, let me ask God.  Hmmm, God just told me, &#8220;The same thing they try to do every night&#8230;Try to take over the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Sheppard, with a smirk on his face)</p>
<p>Sheppard:  O that&#8217;s cute Rodney.</p>
<p>(Rodney smiles)</p>
<p>Rodney:  You like that?  Was watching a &#8216;Pinky &amp; The Brain&#8217; DVD set with Ronon last night.</p>
<p>Sheppard:  And I wasn&#8217;t invited?&#8230;</p>
<p>Rodney:  You don&#8217;t like popcorn&#8230;</p>
<p>(Sheppard shrugs his shoulders in agreement)</p>
<p>Rodney:  Look, as soon as they&#8230;Stop&#8230;Jamesing around I&#8211;</p>
<p>(Sheppard cutting him off)</p>
<p>Sheppard: You&#8217;ll give me a call.  Got it&#8230;</p>
<p>(Sheppard walking off)</p>
<p>Sheppard: And next time I want an invite&#8230;</p>
<p>(Rodney smiles and goes back to looking through the microscope.)</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, When I love a show I watch it ASAP. If I don&#039;t care I record or don&#039;t watch at all. even if I record it I forget to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, When I love a show I watch it ASAP. If I don&#8217;t care I record or don&#8217;t watch at all. even if I record it I forget to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU’s numbers aren’t excellent but they arn’t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy’s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.
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I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d really like 4 or 5 SGU seasons coz IMO it&#039;s just a so bad show that is killing the Franchise and all scifi idea. I really hope they bring another series to replace it and it would be the reason they save time to do this. I only hope TPTB will not treat their cast as they did with SGA&#039;. I&#039;ve no hope in the way they consider their viewers. They don&#039;t care of us.
It&#039;s renewed big deal coz he is behind &quot;ghost hunter&quot; but this change nothing about the fact it doesn&#039;t belong to the top of the Syfy channel&#039;s shows. At the moment there are no good scifi show on syfy. They do good face to average show not good or great show.
In addition you said he does less cos Monk finale when SGA lost a little viewers when it was programming face presidential debate. So monk did better than these debates. This prove only thing viewers can easily switch SGU when it was not really the case for SGA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James<br />
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU’s numbers aren’t excellent but they arn’t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy’s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.<br />
_________________<br />
I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d really like 4 or 5 SGU seasons coz IMO it&#8217;s just a so bad show that is killing the Franchise and all scifi idea. I really hope they bring another series to replace it and it would be the reason they save time to do this. I only hope TPTB will not treat their cast as they did with SGA&#8217;. I&#8217;ve no hope in the way they consider their viewers. They don&#8217;t care of us.<br />
It&#8217;s renewed big deal coz he is behind &#8220;ghost hunter&#8221; but this change nothing about the fact it doesn&#8217;t belong to the top of the Syfy channel&#8217;s shows. At the moment there are no good scifi show on syfy. They do good face to average show not good or great show.<br />
In addition you said he does less cos Monk finale when SGA lost a little viewers when it was programming face presidential debate. So monk did better than these debates. This prove only thing viewers can easily switch SGU when it was not really the case for SGA.</p>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@spaceman13

Re: #2 on your list

Yeah, I don&#039;t want &quot;another SGA&quot;.  I just want the one that I had.  

Fat chance they&#039;ll bring it back though.

@Robert

I see you are removing posts now.  I will repeat that I think James is fitting in nicely with the spin cycle spaceman13 described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@spaceman13</p>
<p>Re: #2 on your list</p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t want &#8220;another SGA&#8221;.  I just want the one that I had.  </p>
<p>Fat chance they&#8217;ll bring it back though.</p>
<p>@Robert</p>
<p>I see you are removing posts now.  I will repeat that I think James is fitting in nicely with the spin cycle spaceman13 described.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark, JoeSheppard
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU&#039;s numbers aren&#039;t excellent but they arn&#039;t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy&#039;s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark, JoeSheppard<br />
Well you say they lost 1million viewers live with is not correct even with Live + SD. The difference between Ep 1 and Ep 9 is only about 500K. I attribute the low ranking on Justice to the Monk Series Finale and those viewers who watched Monk watch the encore at 11pm which got .7m viewers. I use the DVR+7 numbers because I know myself I dont watch shows when they are on I wait until I have time out of my day to watch them. Networks are beginning to see this and taking them more into consideration when renewing shows. Now SGU&#8217;s numbers aren&#8217;t excellent but they arn&#8217;t bad either and should last 4-5 seasons. Like I said in the other post SGU is SyFy&#8217;s 2nd best show behind Ghost Hunters even without the 2 year contract it would have easily been renewed.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@spacemane13
Good and funny post but so true.
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LOL, “James” is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.

These whitewashers can’t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn’t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.
2. People show up saying “not really”, they don’t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn’t make sense.
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new “Young and Hip” audience.
6. People laugh at him when SGU’s rating tanked.
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.
8. People reply saying Monk wasn’t even targeting the same “Young and Hip” audience.
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.
10. People reply saying because there’s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don’t really care about SGU anymore, and won’t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.

Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.

People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it’s the people’s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it’s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It’s the whitewasher who’s really repeating the same shit with no logic.
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@James
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.
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Here my post that answered you on other thread. I give you the real reasons of the renewal.

You don’t seem to represent the majority here. About the numbers: Look at the rates. SGU lost 1,003000
viewers since the premiere mean 47%. There are some reasons for a such result. Read the comments with open mind. You like it well good for you but don’t ignore the true reasons of its renewal. it’s not its qualities. It’s only coz BW got 2 years contract for SGU( MGM gave 2 choices SGA with SGU alongside one years or 2 years of SGU) So there will be 2 years but I’m afraid of it will be the 2 only ones. Syfy had nothing else on air and TPTB( MGMn Syfy) want their return in investment after the big budget engaged to produce and promote it for a result similar to 5th SGA season. Not very great in fact. In addition, if TPTB had canceled SGU now this would have meant too the SG Franchise death and this TPTB couldn’t accept this. Plus cancelation would have been to admit they were wrong since the beginning.
I can respect you like it but it’s not neither stargate show nor scifi too. You must respect those who don’t like it with some reasons.
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The only numbers you accept are the DVR+7 that are in fact similar to the SGA numbers in live in its first season. Once again not so great. SGU is not the great show you would like it is. Its chance is the only show on air without any concurrence coz Syfy canceled BSG and SGA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@spacemane13<br />
Good and funny post but so true.<br />
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LOL, “James” is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.</p>
<p>These whitewashers can’t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:<br />
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn’t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.<br />
2. People show up saying “not really”, they don’t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.<br />
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.<br />
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn’t make sense.<br />
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new “Young and Hip” audience.<br />
6. People laugh at him when SGU’s rating tanked.<br />
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.<br />
8. People reply saying Monk wasn’t even targeting the same “Young and Hip” audience.<br />
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.<br />
10. People reply saying because there’s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don’t really care about SGU anymore, and won’t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.</p>
<p>Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.</p>
<p>People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it’s the people’s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it’s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It’s the whitewasher who’s really repeating the same shit with no logic.<br />
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@James<br />
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.<br />
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Here my post that answered you on other thread. I give you the real reasons of the renewal.</p>
<p>You don’t seem to represent the majority here. About the numbers: Look at the rates. SGU lost 1,003000<br />
viewers since the premiere mean 47%. There are some reasons for a such result. Read the comments with open mind. You like it well good for you but don’t ignore the true reasons of its renewal. it’s not its qualities. It’s only coz BW got 2 years contract for SGU( MGM gave 2 choices SGA with SGU alongside one years or 2 years of SGU) So there will be 2 years but I’m afraid of it will be the 2 only ones. Syfy had nothing else on air and TPTB( MGMn Syfy) want their return in investment after the big budget engaged to produce and promote it for a result similar to 5th SGA season. Not very great in fact. In addition, if TPTB had canceled SGU now this would have meant too the SG Franchise death and this TPTB couldn’t accept this. Plus cancelation would have been to admit they were wrong since the beginning.<br />
I can respect you like it but it’s not neither stargate show nor scifi too. You must respect those who don’t like it with some reasons.<br />
_______________<br />
The only numbers you accept are the DVR+7 that are in fact similar to the SGA numbers in live in its first season. Once again not so great. SGU is not the great show you would like it is. Its chance is the only show on air without any concurrence coz Syfy canceled BSG and SGA.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James
SGU got a second season because it was originally signed up for two.  It&#039;s not like they went, oh look it did so great this season we&#039;ll sign it up for a second season.  More likely they&#039;ll look at how bad it did this season and decide to cancel the second season.

Even if they don&#039;t cancel the second season it won&#039;t change the fact that this show is complete and utter drivel, and doesn&#039;t deserve to have Stargate in it&#039;s name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James<br />
SGU got a second season because it was originally signed up for two.  It&#8217;s not like they went, oh look it did so great this season we&#8217;ll sign it up for a second season.  More likely they&#8217;ll look at how bad it did this season and decide to cancel the second season.</p>
<p>Even if they don&#8217;t cancel the second season it won&#8217;t change the fact that this show is complete and utter drivel, and doesn&#8217;t deserve to have Stargate in it&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M, Brian
If you noticed I said it was a typo and it was ment to be 2-3 billion. 

@Spaceman13
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M, Brian<br />
If you noticed I said it was a typo and it was ment to be 2-3 billion. </p>
<p>@Spaceman13<br />
Well if the ratings of SGU tanked soooo bad they why did they get a second season hmmmmmmm. Could its be that there is actually fans of the show and they enjoy it. The ratings pretty much have stayed the same from the premiere and dropped only about 300-400K (with SD + 7L). which is pretty amazing for any show. What are you going to say when it gets renewed for its 5th season? that is still sucks? you guys make me laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Beaudacious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beaudacious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm rush is the castaway&#039;s only hope of getting home. Gee! and everyone said SGA was the Rodney Mckay show. I guess SGU is the Nicholas Rush show? I&#039;m sure the SGC just hired the other Scientist&#039;s and mechanical engineers cause they had to abide by equal opportunity laws. You people crack me up with Rush this and Rush that.Umm he know&#039;s Ancient alittle better than the other scientists , but he&#039;s not &quot; The God of Science &quot; Plus have ya&#039;ll even been watching the show? Ummm the last thing Rush want&#039;s to do is go home , he&#039;s blocked their chances of ever doing so at every turn. Wake up people and smell the coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm rush is the castaway&#8217;s only hope of getting home. Gee! and everyone said SGA was the Rodney Mckay show. I guess SGU is the Nicholas Rush show? I&#8217;m sure the SGC just hired the other Scientist&#8217;s and mechanical engineers cause they had to abide by equal opportunity laws. You people crack me up with Rush this and Rush that.Umm he know&#8217;s Ancient alittle better than the other scientists , but he&#8217;s not &#8221; The God of Science &#8221; Plus have ya&#8217;ll even been watching the show? Ummm the last thing Rush want&#8217;s to do is go home , he&#8217;s blocked their chances of ever doing so at every turn. Wake up people and smell the coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Spaceman13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spaceman13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, &quot;James&quot; is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.

These whitewashers can&#039;t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn&#039;t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.
2. People show up saying &quot;not really&quot;, they don&#039;t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn&#039;t make sense.
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new &quot;Young and Hip&quot; audience.
6. People laugh at him when SGU&#039;s rating tanked.
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.
8. People reply saying Monk wasn&#039;t even targeting the same &quot;Young and Hip&quot; audience.
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.
10. People reply saying because there&#039;s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don&#039;t really care about SGU anymore, and won&#039;t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.


Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.

People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it&#039;s the people&#039;s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it&#039;s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It&#039;s the whitewasher who&#039;s really repeating the same shit with no logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, &#8220;James&#8221; is obviously someone they hired to whitewash the massive bad spin SGU generated.</p>
<p>These whitewashers can&#8217;t use any logic, so they simply repeat this spin cycle:<br />
1. Whitewasher claims people who doesn&#8217;t like SGU is SGA/SG1 cry babies.<br />
2. People show up saying &#8220;not really&#8221;, they don&#8217;t want another SGA but SGU really sucks, because of many reasons.<br />
3. Whitewasher changes the subject, claiming SGU is the realistic/logical version of SGA.<br />
4. People laugh at that idiot, because the plot and characters in SGU simply doesn&#8217;t make sense.<br />
5. Whitewasher changes the subject again, this time claiming SGU is targeting the new &#8220;Young and Hip&#8221; audience.<br />
6. People laugh at him when SGU&#8217;s rating tanked.<br />
7. Whitewasher blames it on Monk.<br />
8. People reply saying Monk wasn&#8217;t even targeting the same &#8220;Young and Hip&#8221; audience.<br />
9. Whitewasher say Live+7 ratings is still ok.<br />
10. People reply saying because there&#8217;s just nothing else to watch at this time of the season, they watch SGU but they don&#8217;t really care about SGU anymore, and won&#8217;t watch anymore next year in April when other shows are on.</p>
<p>Then what happens the next day? Whitewasher repeat the whole cycle from #1 again.</p>
<p>People like James/Robert tried to make it sound like it&#8217;s the people&#8217;s fault for keep saying the show sucks. But really it&#8217;s just too many different people who found SGU pathetic. It&#8217;s the whitewasher who&#8217;s really repeating the same shit with no logic.</p>
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		<title>By: M, Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>M, Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe
You are right, I shouldn&#039;t have used the word hate. But I do know the relationship is very very strained and it is equally very unlikely they will ever work together again with some of the actors. It&#039;s too bad but these things happen over time as personalities conflict some times.

@ BooRadley
 Can you believe the elementary school reply James gave you? This is like any 12 year old saying, My dad is smarter than your dad and I can prove it because I just said so!! 
 Notice he had no answer for where he got the 200 billion light years comment from which he used to justify how intelligent the Sci-fi is. I actually think James is some kid brother (or sister) of one of the actors and is trying hard to shut up any negative opinion about the show.
Well you can&#039;t blame him for trying, but he certainly won&#039;t convince anyone who actually watches the show from an intelligent standpoint that this is great Sci-Fi or intelligent writing.

By the way James just in case you haven&#039;t been through grade ten science yet, astronomers have only measured the universe to roughly 14 billion light years so far, and in the show they said they were several billion light years from earth, not 200 billion. If you are going to defend something, make sure you form an intelligent argument. 
But if you are related to someone in the show, and defending it for that reason, then I applaud you for your efforts. This show needs all the help it can get to survive through its second season if they don&#039;t change their writing style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe<br />
You are right, I shouldn&#8217;t have used the word hate. But I do know the relationship is very very strained and it is equally very unlikely they will ever work together again with some of the actors. It&#8217;s too bad but these things happen over time as personalities conflict some times.</p>
<p>@ BooRadley<br />
 Can you believe the elementary school reply James gave you? This is like any 12 year old saying, My dad is smarter than your dad and I can prove it because I just said so!!<br />
 Notice he had no answer for where he got the 200 billion light years comment from which he used to justify how intelligent the Sci-fi is. I actually think James is some kid brother (or sister) of one of the actors and is trying hard to shut up any negative opinion about the show.<br />
Well you can&#8217;t blame him for trying, but he certainly won&#8217;t convince anyone who actually watches the show from an intelligent standpoint that this is great Sci-Fi or intelligent writing.</p>
<p>By the way James just in case you haven&#8217;t been through grade ten science yet, astronomers have only measured the universe to roughly 14 billion light years so far, and in the show they said they were several billion light years from earth, not 200 billion. If you are going to defend something, make sure you form an intelligent argument.<br />
But if you are related to someone in the show, and defending it for that reason, then I applaud you for your efforts. This show needs all the help it can get to survive through its second season if they don&#8217;t change their writing style.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M,Brian
One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!
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I think the opposite. It&#039;s obvious there were some problems in SGA. the atmosphere on set was great but it would seem the relations between actors/crew and producers/writer became painful at the end. The producers/writers didn&#039;t want to listen the actors&#039;advice. This may have been one of element of cancelation decision but you use the &quot;hate&quot; word. In your opinion the producers hated their main cast. How could they drive to these bad feeling after 5 years of common work?
In adition if we don&#039;t see any SGA actors in SGU it&#039;s because the SGA cast said NO for good reasons. TPTB have just cancelled their show for SGU, rushing SGA to the end having rude behavior toward them, none gratitude toward them.
In addition according to dear JM all SGA characters were in SGA movie. Could you seriously imagine SGA movie if is ever made one day without any SGA cast members in it and with &quot;characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.&quot;. NO. Could you imagine SG1 movie without SG1 cast in it. NO
They will jeopardize the success of the movie. Atlantis is John Sheppard, Rodney Mackay, Teyla, Ronon...and many others.
So in your assumption, There would not SGA movie cos producers don&#039;t want anymore to work with the SGA main cast so they will prefer not to produce and Kill off SGA.
Don&#039;t forget Stargate franchise belongs to MGM so this decision belong to the studios.
No I will not stop to complain about this. the fault belong mainly to the producers.
It&#039;s only the viewers who make characters so popular not TPTB so don&#039;t how TPTB could replaced them even if these ones replaced SGA by SGU. But look at how SGU charecters are so likable. Many don&#039;t remember their name and find them so poor.

One more thing, I&#039;m convinced SGU is failing to be successful. If SGU has been renewed it&#039;s only cos 2 years contract, the budget engaged and theri return in investment and the fact SYFY has nothing else on air since they cancelled BSG and SGA. This decision that was made is only to keep alive SG waiting for better days. If they had cancelled SGU they would have killed the franchise. So it&#039;s not the rates that saved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M,Brian<br />
One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.<br />
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!<br />
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I think the opposite. It&#8217;s obvious there were some problems in SGA. the atmosphere on set was great but it would seem the relations between actors/crew and producers/writer became painful at the end. The producers/writers didn&#8217;t want to listen the actors&#8217;advice. This may have been one of element of cancelation decision but you use the &#8220;hate&#8221; word. In your opinion the producers hated their main cast. How could they drive to these bad feeling after 5 years of common work?<br />
In adition if we don&#8217;t see any SGA actors in SGU it&#8217;s because the SGA cast said NO for good reasons. TPTB have just cancelled their show for SGU, rushing SGA to the end having rude behavior toward them, none gratitude toward them.<br />
In addition according to dear JM all SGA characters were in SGA movie. Could you seriously imagine SGA movie if is ever made one day without any SGA cast members in it and with &#8220;characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.&#8221;. NO. Could you imagine SG1 movie without SG1 cast in it. NO<br />
They will jeopardize the success of the movie. Atlantis is John Sheppard, Rodney Mackay, Teyla, Ronon&#8230;and many others.<br />
So in your assumption, There would not SGA movie cos producers don&#8217;t want anymore to work with the SGA main cast so they will prefer not to produce and Kill off SGA.<br />
Don&#8217;t forget Stargate franchise belongs to MGM so this decision belong to the studios.<br />
No I will not stop to complain about this. the fault belong mainly to the producers.<br />
It&#8217;s only the viewers who make characters so popular not TPTB so don&#8217;t how TPTB could replaced them even if these ones replaced SGA by SGU. But look at how SGU charecters are so likable. Many don&#8217;t remember their name and find them so poor.</p>
<p>One more thing, I&#8217;m convinced SGU is failing to be successful. If SGU has been renewed it&#8217;s only cos 2 years contract, the budget engaged and theri return in investment and the fact SYFY has nothing else on air since they cancelled BSG and SGA. This decision that was made is only to keep alive SG waiting for better days. If they had cancelled SGU they would have killed the franchise. So it&#8217;s not the rates that saved it.</p>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just happened to catch Atlantis on Syfy while channel flipping.  

Now, there was some good sci-fi!

It made me miss Katie Brown.  Too bad they couldn&#039;t keep her with Rodney.  He and she had much better chemistry and were way more believable as a couple than he and Keller. Katie had all of these little quirks that matched McKay&#039;s.  Oh well, it&#039;s gone now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just happened to catch Atlantis on Syfy while channel flipping.  </p>
<p>Now, there was some good sci-fi!</p>
<p>It made me miss Katie Brown.  Too bad they couldn&#8217;t keep her with Rodney.  He and she had much better chemistry and were way more believable as a couple than he and Keller. Katie had all of these little quirks that matched McKay&#8217;s.  Oh well, it&#8217;s gone now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BooRadley
You just proved how much of a child you really are. Its your opinion that its not realistic, in my opinion it is very realistic. It is a FACT that SGU is SCIFI tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BooRadley<br />
You just proved how much of a child you really are. Its your opinion that its not realistic, in my opinion it is very realistic. It is a FACT that SGU is SCIFI tho.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James

What you claim to be our opinions on many aspects, are not opinions, they are facts.  You haven&#039;t got a clue to what reality is, and you obviously do not live here with the rest of the world.  SGU is not realistic; it&#039;s an undeniable FACT!  NOT AN OPINION!  Every time you say SGU is realistic, I want to reach into the goddamn monitor...

I agree with M,Brian, you must be some form of emo.  You probably think High School Musical is realistic too.  I bet you have the haircut to prove it...

It&#039;s fine to defend a show that you like, but show some intelligent thought behind your arguments. Provide some evidence, or something that can be verified.  Do something more than, &quot;uhuh, it&#039;s real, I sware tiss!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>What you claim to be our opinions on many aspects, are not opinions, they are facts.  You haven&#8217;t got a clue to what reality is, and you obviously do not live here with the rest of the world.  SGU is not realistic; it&#8217;s an undeniable FACT!  NOT AN OPINION!  Every time you say SGU is realistic, I want to reach into the goddamn monitor&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree with M,Brian, you must be some form of emo.  You probably think High School Musical is realistic too.  I bet you have the haircut to prove it&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine to defend a show that you like, but show some intelligent thought behind your arguments. Provide some evidence, or something that can be verified.  Do something more than, &#8220;uhuh, it&#8217;s real, I sware tiss!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M, Brian
Actually that was a typo it was ment to be 2-3 billion light years. If you look up the definition of sci-fi you will clearly see that this show is in fact scifi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M, Brian<br />
Actually that was a typo it was ment to be 2-3 billion light years. If you look up the definition of sci-fi you will clearly see that this show is in fact scifi.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as a person who used to fund a Stargate fan website. I would not give 20 cents to this dribble they call a show SGU is just rubbish. You&#039;d have to be some form of emo to relate to the show in any shape or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as a person who used to fund a Stargate fan website. I would not give 20 cents to this dribble they call a show SGU is just rubbish. You&#8217;d have to be some form of emo to relate to the show in any shape or form.</p>
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		<title>By: M, Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>M, Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James
You don&#039;t get it you never will, because you don&#039;t understand what makes up a genre. You would think that a few colors on a canvas makes a great painting because they were the same colors used in an actual painting

I don&#039;t watch by the way, haven&#039;t for the last two episodes and don&#039;t plan to every again, but I can and will express my opinion. All you seem to be continuing to do here is stifle opinions. By the way since you love it so much you should at least watch it with intelligence! 

Which your own statement shows you don&#039;t!
Tell me what episode they ever said they were 200 billion light years from earth. See you don&#039;t even catch what is being said in the episodes, so why would anyone expect you to catch the plot holes and idiotic dialog. 
Your the perfect example of who the producers are targeting.

@New2U
Good points, but they aren&#039;t looking for advice from anyone because they think they already know what the fans want.
The only way this show will gain in acceptance is if they give in and begin to include what was successful in the past which is what true science fiction fans want to see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ James<br />
You don&#8217;t get it you never will, because you don&#8217;t understand what makes up a genre. You would think that a few colors on a canvas makes a great painting because they were the same colors used in an actual painting</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t watch by the way, haven&#8217;t for the last two episodes and don&#8217;t plan to every again, but I can and will express my opinion. All you seem to be continuing to do here is stifle opinions. By the way since you love it so much you should at least watch it with intelligence! </p>
<p>Which your own statement shows you don&#8217;t!<br />
Tell me what episode they ever said they were 200 billion light years from earth. See you don&#8217;t even catch what is being said in the episodes, so why would anyone expect you to catch the plot holes and idiotic dialog.<br />
Your the perfect example of who the producers are targeting.</p>
<p>@New2U<br />
Good points, but they aren&#8217;t looking for advice from anyone because they think they already know what the fans want.<br />
The only way this show will gain in acceptance is if they give in and begin to include what was successful in the past which is what true science fiction fans want to see!</p>
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		<title>By: New2U</title>
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		<dc:creator>New2U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush:  Misunderstood, Narcissistic, Visionary, Brilliant but since everyone else around him seems to have a problem keeping up, he does things without asking and without the benefit of a team giving all ideas.  He is not a bad guy, just too focused on his own thoughts.  In a word, dangerous. 

Young: Not really a bad guy either.  Also misunderstood, Focused on getting home to his wife and to do a little Telford Damage Control BUT Does not take too many suggestions from others.  Should consider holding a staff meeting rather than pulling an idea out of his backside and keeping all results to himself. He is not sharing.  I do like his relationship with Greer. 

Greer:  Misunderstood.  Not a Psycho.  Needs discipline. Profoundly loyal to Young.  Which shows that Young is not entirely bad, if he could gain the trust and admiration of someone, who all others consider, unstable.   I have met many a SGT and yes, most of them are Brazen, it is not because they are assholes, it is part of their job to be tough.  When things get tough, they are the first stand to defend.  In fact, Greer has offered to risk his life to save a lot of people, many of which could careless for him.  I think Greer will become a very good character and will eventually get rid of the Psycho rep.

Wray:  Needs to work.  She COULD potentially be the glue to keep, Rush, Young and others together but so far, shows a lack in judgment, prejudice, which is surprising since she is Gay.  Needs to show some restraint and force herself into more roles with Rush and Young.  The three of them need to recognize that they are the lead and work together instead of trying to one up one another.  By the way, I could care less she is Gay - the Episode Life - just plain sucked.  It should be placed in the Hall of Shame or burned, never to be aired again.  Who ever came up with this episode should be forced to watch it for 6 months straight to realize the error of their ways.

TJ:  Quiet.  I would like to see more strength.  She needs a helper.  She cannot do it all but Young is throwing a lot on her.  She is not bitchy, she has shown to be respectful but is at times mousy.  If she had someone help get her LAB going with the ancient devices, there is no telling how far she could go.   That is where she belongs, in the LAB learning and becoming the Doctor, she was supposed to be before getting stranded on Destiny. 

Brody:  What does he do again?  I would like to learn more about the sub characters.  In fact, I would like to see some of the subs replace some of the main characters.  Brody so far has seemed cool, willing to do whatever it takes, seems to have a good mind and seems to be fair ALTHOUGH I think he could easily be mislead into doing things that could hurt everyone.  I really like his character and would love to see HIM develop more and others develop less. 

Volkner (SP) Same as Brody -  Good head on his shoulders, is easily intimidate though.  He should have his own science team - I think if he had - he would probably be able to do more.  LOVE HIS Humor on the KINO Episode.   Down to earth.  Brody and Volkner should be on more episodes. 

Parks, the whole, I have sex to relieve stress then avoid the people I had sex with the next day - Come on!!!  USe her for science and to fix destiny, I like her character but that nymphomaniac disorder that she has is just crap.  Sex happens, just leave it the imagination - it seems like when you guys run out of lines or money, you do a slow scene with parks on a new bed partner.   Even in the Kino webisodes, you have her doing it.  Have you guys just given up writing?  Is she just a girlfriend of one of the writers, who demanded a job?     I think she has value but you guys are making her worthless. 

Riley: Smart, dedicated, good soldier, normal person in an abnormal situation but holding it together, love that... Riley has a ton of value. 

Franklin:  Like the fact that Franklin is willing to try to get into shape - he needed it anyway and despite the fact that he was pushed way too hard, he still tried. LOVE T HAT DEDICATION.  True, he was mislead by Rush. But the idea that he too was willing to risk his life to use the chair - if not for everyone, maybe he was just so stressed that he could not  take it anymore.    DON&#039;T KILL HIM.  He, Parks, Brody and Volkner make a very good team if they stay together. 

James:  Keep her, not because of the boobs but she genuinely seems to be a acting. Although she has not had a lot to say.  I like her best in a full uniform, she seems like a soldier and seems like she is very capable of learning more about ship systems.  In a way, I see her as being a female version of John Sheppard.  That would be awesome. 
Becker - Respectful - love his character.  Even though he is on kitchen duty, he has shown more restraint, respect and sacrifice than others.  He needs more time. 

Inman??? Who in the heck is she?  Why is it that we cannot hear about the 80 minus a few people who were on board?  A page on the site would be useful so that we get an idea of who is who and who is left.  

Andrea Palmer; Attractive, Scientist, saves the butts of nearly everyone on board in gettingthe scrubbers online - no thanks to Greer and Scott for going the extra mile.  The three of them saved the ship - yet, Greer is called, Psycho, Scott is consider a player and Palmer has somehow been sucked out of an airlock because we do not see her anymore. I am sure she is somewhere on the ship. 

The STONES!  THANK GOD you are not going to use them as much on the up and coming episodes.   If you use them, a military base would have you meet with your family AT A BASE!  Not allow you to go clubbing.  I would be pissed if I were say a recovering Alcoholic and someone went clubbing in my body and I had to wake up the next day a raging Alcoholic all over again due to the disregard for my body while someone else used it.   This is not reality - this is someones fantasy of what reality is... Namely the writers of SGU

Come on guys... if you are out of ideas - ask the fans.  You will see that they have A MILLION Ideas for the show.  Do a few keyword analytics to find your issues and fix them. 

Aliens are not as important as the discoveries that could be made on that ship.  Spend more time on the ship.  As every geek, every inventor, every ELI type person following your show and your ship will be built in no time.  

Chloe: 
She is pretty.  No, she does not belong on the ship,  that point was well written.  So why they continue to spend so much time on her character, who offers nothing to anyone but Scott - is beyond me.  How can she be a co-star of the show when she does nothing to contribute to anything than a Hummer for Scott which we all have to watch later when you have run out of material.   The poor girl who plays her is probably just as mift as the rest of us.  Give her a function or throw her with the rest of the unknown and under explored characters.   Personally if she stayed on the show that would be fine but instead of giving her character all of the airtime you should boost someone else, Brody Volkner, Franklin, Lt, James, Becker any number of people would be better than listening to her cry, watching her throw up or whatever.  The only useful thing she has contributed to he story is the video game idea, which brought in Eli - after that - she has offered NOTHING.   She has got to be a relative of someone on the show in order to get some much endorsement.   Wait- yes, she did have one scene in Justice.  The writers really do not know what to do with her but keep writing her in like a hiccup.  Give the time to someone else DUDE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush:  Misunderstood, Narcissistic, Visionary, Brilliant but since everyone else around him seems to have a problem keeping up, he does things without asking and without the benefit of a team giving all ideas.  He is not a bad guy, just too focused on his own thoughts.  In a word, dangerous. </p>
<p>Young: Not really a bad guy either.  Also misunderstood, Focused on getting home to his wife and to do a little Telford Damage Control BUT Does not take too many suggestions from others.  Should consider holding a staff meeting rather than pulling an idea out of his backside and keeping all results to himself. He is not sharing.  I do like his relationship with Greer. </p>
<p>Greer:  Misunderstood.  Not a Psycho.  Needs discipline. Profoundly loyal to Young.  Which shows that Young is not entirely bad, if he could gain the trust and admiration of someone, who all others consider, unstable.   I have met many a SGT and yes, most of them are Brazen, it is not because they are assholes, it is part of their job to be tough.  When things get tough, they are the first stand to defend.  In fact, Greer has offered to risk his life to save a lot of people, many of which could careless for him.  I think Greer will become a very good character and will eventually get rid of the Psycho rep.</p>
<p>Wray:  Needs to work.  She COULD potentially be the glue to keep, Rush, Young and others together but so far, shows a lack in judgment, prejudice, which is surprising since she is Gay.  Needs to show some restraint and force herself into more roles with Rush and Young.  The three of them need to recognize that they are the lead and work together instead of trying to one up one another.  By the way, I could care less she is Gay &#8211; the Episode Life &#8211; just plain sucked.  It should be placed in the Hall of Shame or burned, never to be aired again.  Who ever came up with this episode should be forced to watch it for 6 months straight to realize the error of their ways.</p>
<p>TJ:  Quiet.  I would like to see more strength.  She needs a helper.  She cannot do it all but Young is throwing a lot on her.  She is not bitchy, she has shown to be respectful but is at times mousy.  If she had someone help get her LAB going with the ancient devices, there is no telling how far she could go.   That is where she belongs, in the LAB learning and becoming the Doctor, she was supposed to be before getting stranded on Destiny. </p>
<p>Brody:  What does he do again?  I would like to learn more about the sub characters.  In fact, I would like to see some of the subs replace some of the main characters.  Brody so far has seemed cool, willing to do whatever it takes, seems to have a good mind and seems to be fair ALTHOUGH I think he could easily be mislead into doing things that could hurt everyone.  I really like his character and would love to see HIM develop more and others develop less. </p>
<p>Volkner (SP) Same as Brody &#8211;  Good head on his shoulders, is easily intimidate though.  He should have his own science team &#8211; I think if he had &#8211; he would probably be able to do more.  LOVE HIS Humor on the KINO Episode.   Down to earth.  Brody and Volkner should be on more episodes. </p>
<p>Parks, the whole, I have sex to relieve stress then avoid the people I had sex with the next day &#8211; Come on!!!  USe her for science and to fix destiny, I like her character but that nymphomaniac disorder that she has is just crap.  Sex happens, just leave it the imagination &#8211; it seems like when you guys run out of lines or money, you do a slow scene with parks on a new bed partner.   Even in the Kino webisodes, you have her doing it.  Have you guys just given up writing?  Is she just a girlfriend of one of the writers, who demanded a job?     I think she has value but you guys are making her worthless. </p>
<p>Riley: Smart, dedicated, good soldier, normal person in an abnormal situation but holding it together, love that&#8230; Riley has a ton of value. </p>
<p>Franklin:  Like the fact that Franklin is willing to try to get into shape &#8211; he needed it anyway and despite the fact that he was pushed way too hard, he still tried. LOVE T HAT DEDICATION.  True, he was mislead by Rush. But the idea that he too was willing to risk his life to use the chair &#8211; if not for everyone, maybe he was just so stressed that he could not  take it anymore.    DON&#8217;T KILL HIM.  He, Parks, Brody and Volkner make a very good team if they stay together. </p>
<p>James:  Keep her, not because of the boobs but she genuinely seems to be a acting. Although she has not had a lot to say.  I like her best in a full uniform, she seems like a soldier and seems like she is very capable of learning more about ship systems.  In a way, I see her as being a female version of John Sheppard.  That would be awesome.<br />
Becker &#8211; Respectful &#8211; love his character.  Even though he is on kitchen duty, he has shown more restraint, respect and sacrifice than others.  He needs more time. </p>
<p>Inman??? Who in the heck is she?  Why is it that we cannot hear about the 80 minus a few people who were on board?  A page on the site would be useful so that we get an idea of who is who and who is left.  </p>
<p>Andrea Palmer; Attractive, Scientist, saves the butts of nearly everyone on board in gettingthe scrubbers online &#8211; no thanks to Greer and Scott for going the extra mile.  The three of them saved the ship &#8211; yet, Greer is called, Psycho, Scott is consider a player and Palmer has somehow been sucked out of an airlock because we do not see her anymore. I am sure she is somewhere on the ship. </p>
<p>The STONES!  THANK GOD you are not going to use them as much on the up and coming episodes.   If you use them, a military base would have you meet with your family AT A BASE!  Not allow you to go clubbing.  I would be pissed if I were say a recovering Alcoholic and someone went clubbing in my body and I had to wake up the next day a raging Alcoholic all over again due to the disregard for my body while someone else used it.   This is not reality &#8211; this is someones fantasy of what reality is&#8230; Namely the writers of SGU</p>
<p>Come on guys&#8230; if you are out of ideas &#8211; ask the fans.  You will see that they have A MILLION Ideas for the show.  Do a few keyword analytics to find your issues and fix them. </p>
<p>Aliens are not as important as the discoveries that could be made on that ship.  Spend more time on the ship.  As every geek, every inventor, every ELI type person following your show and your ship will be built in no time.  </p>
<p>Chloe:<br />
She is pretty.  No, she does not belong on the ship,  that point was well written.  So why they continue to spend so much time on her character, who offers nothing to anyone but Scott &#8211; is beyond me.  How can she be a co-star of the show when she does nothing to contribute to anything than a Hummer for Scott which we all have to watch later when you have run out of material.   The poor girl who plays her is probably just as mift as the rest of us.  Give her a function or throw her with the rest of the unknown and under explored characters.   Personally if she stayed on the show that would be fine but instead of giving her character all of the airtime you should boost someone else, Brody Volkner, Franklin, Lt, James, Becker any number of people would be better than listening to her cry, watching her throw up or whatever.  The only useful thing she has contributed to he story is the video game idea, which brought in Eli &#8211; after that &#8211; she has offered NOTHING.   She has got to be a relative of someone on the show in order to get some much endorsement.   Wait- yes, she did have one scene in Justice.  The writers really do not know what to do with her but keep writing her in like a hiccup.  Give the time to someone else DUDE!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M, Brian
On the SGU front you can hate it all you want the fact is the show is doing well and theres alot of people that love the show for its intelligent writing, complex characters and its realism. If you dont think so thats your opinion but I strongly disagree. Also saying that SGU is not sci-fi is just wrong... I don&#039;t know what world you come from but the last time I checked ours doesn&#039;t have a stargate, an very old ancient ship, aliens, etc. When was the last time you were 200 billion light years from earth? didn&#039;t think so. Don&#039;t like it don&#039;t watch it&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M, Brian<br />
On the SGU front you can hate it all you want the fact is the show is doing well and theres alot of people that love the show for its intelligent writing, complex characters and its realism. If you dont think so thats your opinion but I strongly disagree. Also saying that SGU is not sci-fi is just wrong&#8230; I don&#8217;t know what world you come from but the last time I checked ours doesn&#8217;t have a stargate, an very old ancient ship, aliens, etc. When was the last time you were 200 billion light years from earth? didn&#8217;t think so. Don&#8217;t like it don&#8217;t watch it&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: M, Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>M, Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters. 
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!

The pleading or ranting just isn&#039;t going to have an effect on them because they have made it abundantly clear, &quot;THEY DON&quot;T CARE WHAT THE FANS THINK&quot; This is the only aspect of the discussion over SGU that is definitely reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, and I would hope those on here would realize it. SGA will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER come back and the movie if it is ever made and it is virtually impossible, would have to be made with different characters than who you came to identify with as Stargate Atlantis characters.<br />
This is because the producers have a hate on for many of the main characters which is why they canceled it in the first place and why they have purposely excluded any of them and any mention of Atlantis in SGU. Of course every disagreement has two sides to it, but this one is cast in stone, so PLEASE PLEASE, forget the pleading or thinking you can force these producers to bring it back or create the movie. I share in your feelings of loss, but this is reality!</p>
<p>The pleading or ranting just isn&#8217;t going to have an effect on them because they have made it abundantly clear, &#8220;THEY DON&#8221;T CARE WHAT THE FANS THINK&#8221; This is the only aspect of the discussion over SGU that is definitely reality.</p>
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		<title>By: M, Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>M, Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe
I agree, it isn&#039;t Sci-fi and James simply doesn&#039;t get the analogy I made concerning the aspect of what is contained within a genre that makes it part of that Genre.

The Science fiction genre is not defined by it being in space, It must have credible science to be at least somewhat believable and SGU just is not. Just one example is the blue stones and how they use them, which are a complete joke and James thinks that is intelligent writing. The ship has no purpose, and neither do the characters, so who cares about them. There are no characters worthy of cheering for as the majority are scum and have no redeeming qualities. This is not reality except in some sick twisted worlds that obviously some live in.

The whole point of Science fiction is that it is supposed to cause a fan to dream of the weird and wonderful and imagine what it would be like to be there and desire to be there. This show does not create that feeling, it causes apathy, disgust and aversion in the fan, not what the Science Fiction genre is supposed to create.
This is the saddest part of SGU, as is pretends to be something it isn&#039;t, and the SYFY channel exec&#039;s don&#039;t know what the fans want to see as entertainment in this genre. If there was anything else descent on for Science Fiction in competition this show would tank quickly. 
SGU isn&#039;t intelligent when it insults your intelligence by being full of plot holes, and predictable in the story telling. Plot holes only appear intelligent to those who aren&#039;t, and simply can&#039;t pick up on it. This is sad as it indicates that the writers of SGU are targeting fans of this category and are happy to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe<br />
I agree, it isn&#8217;t Sci-fi and James simply doesn&#8217;t get the analogy I made concerning the aspect of what is contained within a genre that makes it part of that Genre.</p>
<p>The Science fiction genre is not defined by it being in space, It must have credible science to be at least somewhat believable and SGU just is not. Just one example is the blue stones and how they use them, which are a complete joke and James thinks that is intelligent writing. The ship has no purpose, and neither do the characters, so who cares about them. There are no characters worthy of cheering for as the majority are scum and have no redeeming qualities. This is not reality except in some sick twisted worlds that obviously some live in.</p>
<p>The whole point of Science fiction is that it is supposed to cause a fan to dream of the weird and wonderful and imagine what it would be like to be there and desire to be there. This show does not create that feeling, it causes apathy, disgust and aversion in the fan, not what the Science Fiction genre is supposed to create.<br />
This is the saddest part of SGU, as is pretends to be something it isn&#8217;t, and the SYFY channel exec&#8217;s don&#8217;t know what the fans want to see as entertainment in this genre. If there was anything else descent on for Science Fiction in competition this show would tank quickly.<br />
SGU isn&#8217;t intelligent when it insults your intelligence by being full of plot holes, and predictable in the story telling. Plot holes only appear intelligent to those who aren&#8217;t, and simply can&#8217;t pick up on it. This is sad as it indicates that the writers of SGU are targeting fans of this category and are happy to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@james
I&#039;m not kidding about SGA so please don&#039;t laugh at me and respect what I love. I don&#039;t try to convince you or defend SGA. They don&#039;t need me coz they poroved they did great as you admitted too but I&#039;m annoyed by people who don&#039;t respect different opinions and bash on the others to demonstrate they are right as eddie did and you sometimes. As you did using repetitively the word like &quot;cheesy&quot; what is wrong IMO.
As Brian said the SGU writers are the same and producers too.

@Brian
If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers!
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space. 
.................
This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.
...................
Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.
__________
Exept the fact I think the 2 last seasons were better and you&#039;re going to like what I&#039;m going to tell darker and more mature. Maybe producers introduced so many characters like keller changing too often the expedition leader AT the RP. In fact I think AT was a bad idea. Producers refused to develop the characters in deph. Too many characters is one of reproaches I make about SGU. And SGU lost humor team spirit actions meetings and above all likable characters and scifi aspect.
You could&#039;nt change my mind about SGA/SG1 and SGU.
It&#039;s painful to me seeing how SG turns. It&#039;s not anymore an entertainement and scifi show.:(
They lost what made their success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@james<br />
I&#8217;m not kidding about SGA so please don&#8217;t laugh at me and respect what I love. I don&#8217;t try to convince you or defend SGA. They don&#8217;t need me coz they poroved they did great as you admitted too but I&#8217;m annoyed by people who don&#8217;t respect different opinions and bash on the others to demonstrate they are right as eddie did and you sometimes. As you did using repetitively the word like &#8220;cheesy&#8221; what is wrong IMO.<br />
As Brian said the SGU writers are the same and producers too.</p>
<p>@Brian<br />
If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers!<br />
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.<br />
__________<br />
Exept the fact I think the 2 last seasons were better and you&#8217;re going to like what I&#8217;m going to tell darker and more mature. Maybe producers introduced so many characters like keller changing too often the expedition leader AT the RP. In fact I think AT was a bad idea. Producers refused to develop the characters in deph. Too many characters is one of reproaches I make about SGU. And SGU lost humor team spirit actions meetings and above all likable characters and scifi aspect.<br />
You could&#8217;nt change my mind about SGA/SG1 and SGU.<br />
It&#8217;s painful to me seeing how SG turns. It&#8217;s not anymore an entertainement and scifi show.:(<br />
They lost what made their success.</p>
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		<title>By: Morena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M, Brian

You are exactly right.  I couldn&#039;t agree more.  

SGA won&#039;t come back, but they should make the movie.  Again, they just need to make sure that the writing is good.  When SGA was at its best, whatever &quot;formula&quot; it was using worked pretty darn well.  That goes for SG-1 too.  

Let&#039;s see if the SGU formula (depressing/shaky-cam/backstabbing/let&#039;s have sex in someone else&#039;s body/full of plot holes/predictable down to the last 2 minutes) will manage to last 12+ years. 

I highly doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M, Brian</p>
<p>You are exactly right.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  </p>
<p>SGA won&#8217;t come back, but they should make the movie.  Again, they just need to make sure that the writing is good.  When SGA was at its best, whatever &#8220;formula&#8221; it was using worked pretty darn well.  That goes for SG-1 too.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if the SGU formula (depressing/shaky-cam/backstabbing/let&#8217;s have sex in someone else&#8217;s body/full of plot holes/predictable down to the last 2 minutes) will manage to last 12+ years. </p>
<p>I highly doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M, Brian
SGU is sci-fi just made out to be more realistic/dark/intelligent rather than using the same old formula that was used for the past 12+ years (happy/cheesy/all going to die and saved in the last 2 minutes). Character building is not a bad thing even in sci-fi, it will actually make a better show in the seasons to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M, Brian<br />
SGU is sci-fi just made out to be more realistic/dark/intelligent rather than using the same old formula that was used for the past 12+ years (happy/cheesy/all going to die and saved in the last 2 minutes). Character building is not a bad thing even in sci-fi, it will actually make a better show in the seasons to come.</p>
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		<title>By: M, Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>M, Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers! 
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space. 

Every genre has to follow a certain theme for it to be thought of as being within that genre and directed at the majority of fans wanting to watch that particular type of show.

If you took a well liked comedy like &quot;Two and a half men&quot; and introduced a murder sequence, and a crime scene investigation finding one of the main characters were guilty and then had to go to trial. It would no longer be a comedy and those people who wanted to watch a comedy would stop watching.

This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.

Anyone saying this is what they want, in Sci-Fi are clearly not science fiction fans, just as anyone wanting crime and suspense in their comedy shows is not a fan of situational Comedy, and claiming the Comedy &quot;Finally grew up&quot; becoming all dark and brooding is trying to justify ruining a comedy. Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If SGA was losing steam in the last two seasons it was because of the terrible writing, caused by the same writers now producing this stuff. The producers are the writers!<br />
They lost their creativity and have tried to reinvent science fiction drama with creating a brooding soap opera in space. </p>
<p>Every genre has to follow a certain theme for it to be thought of as being within that genre and directed at the majority of fans wanting to watch that particular type of show.</p>
<p>If you took a well liked comedy like &#8220;Two and a half men&#8221; and introduced a murder sequence, and a crime scene investigation finding one of the main characters were guilty and then had to go to trial. It would no longer be a comedy and those people who wanted to watch a comedy would stop watching.</p>
<p>This is what SGU has done. It is not Sci-Fi, when the science is ridiculously bad, the stories are full of plot holes, and the character portrayal of professionals is no where near realistic.</p>
<p>Anyone saying this is what they want, in Sci-Fi are clearly not science fiction fans, just as anyone wanting crime and suspense in their comedy shows is not a fan of situational Comedy, and claiming the Comedy &#8220;Finally grew up&#8221; becoming all dark and brooding is trying to justify ruining a comedy. Just as SGU is ruining the image of what true Science Fiction fans want to see in Sci-Fi entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JoeSheppard
LMAO nice rant, I find it funning that you are trying to defend a show that is already dead. SGA was a good series but it was more happy/cheesy/we are all going to die show rather than a serious/dark/realistic show like SGU. Did I enjoy the SGA for course, did I want another series like that hell no. SG needed to evolve into a more realistic/intelligent show rather than the monster of the week/we are all going to die show. Now eddie was kind of harsh on SGA because I think the acting was quite good and so was the writing but it was losing steam in the last 1.5 seasons. I think the producers did the right choice cancelling SGA and evolving SG to what it is now: SGU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JoeSheppard<br />
LMAO nice rant, I find it funning that you are trying to defend a show that is already dead. SGA was a good series but it was more happy/cheesy/we are all going to die show rather than a serious/dark/realistic show like SGU. Did I enjoy the SGA for course, did I want another series like that hell no. SG needed to evolve into a more realistic/intelligent show rather than the monster of the week/we are all going to die show. Now eddie was kind of harsh on SGA because I think the acting was quite good and so was the writing but it was losing steam in the last 1.5 seasons. I think the producers did the right choice cancelling SGA and evolving SG to what it is now: SGU.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forget to say this in my last post and must add this. How can you tell this about the 2 previous series that won so many awards and especially &quot;people choice award 2008&quot; for SGA? Could you compare all these viewers like cheesy viewers not enough intelligent coz they watched and appreciated these previous shows? Don&#039;t insult our intelligence. It would seem in your mind only SGU viewers are more intelligent than SGA&#039;s.
We don&#039;t have the same idea what show must be. That&#039;s all it&#039;s only pesonnal opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forget to say this in my last post and must add this. How can you tell this about the 2 previous series that won so many awards and especially &#8220;people choice award 2008&#8243; for SGA? Could you compare all these viewers like cheesy viewers not enough intelligent coz they watched and appreciated these previous shows? Don&#8217;t insult our intelligence. It would seem in your mind only SGU viewers are more intelligent than SGA&#8217;s.<br />
We don&#8217;t have the same idea what show must be. That&#8217;s all it&#8217;s only pesonnal opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeSheppard</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeSheppard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eddie
the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way
___________
Obviously we don&#039;t have the same definition of acting. How can you tell the previous cast of the previous series were cheesy actors the ones who made what is SG Franchise till now even if a few eps were not good or well written? Average of SGU good ep is lower in 10 eps and average of bad ones is higher. Look at the rates drop.
All you said described well what I think about SGU. bad acting exept R. Carlyle poor writting bunch of kids lost in space drived by their own selfish and having no maturity drived by their desire forgetting what mean team and working together. There are none strong qualities in these people that would make we can respect them. They only stressed their flaws unable to fight for the others. if it is necessary, in producers&#039; mind to write shocking scenes or stress the weakness of human to make a success and this means to make entertainment I don&#039;t share this. 
I look for escapism, dream strong and likable characters and awesome cast like SG1/SGA got.
More adult did you say? Far superior? I don&#039;t think so
I don&#039;t think SGC would have hired a such inexperienced people in their program. no leader, no strong soldier who can make good decision. No entertainment in it. I bored myself when I watched it and I don&#039;t care about these characters :( when I cared about SG1/SGA characters and I appreciated the acting of each ones in it and I waited for them each week.:)
I thanks these cast to give me this entertainment and pleasure. :)
I got 15 years of enjoyment and this ended with SGU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eddie<br />
the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way<br />
___________<br />
Obviously we don&#8217;t have the same definition of acting. How can you tell the previous cast of the previous series were cheesy actors the ones who made what is SG Franchise till now even if a few eps were not good or well written? Average of SGU good ep is lower in 10 eps and average of bad ones is higher. Look at the rates drop.<br />
All you said described well what I think about SGU. bad acting exept R. Carlyle poor writting bunch of kids lost in space drived by their own selfish and having no maturity drived by their desire forgetting what mean team and working together. There are none strong qualities in these people that would make we can respect them. They only stressed their flaws unable to fight for the others. if it is necessary, in producers&#8217; mind to write shocking scenes or stress the weakness of human to make a success and this means to make entertainment I don&#8217;t share this.<br />
I look for escapism, dream strong and likable characters and awesome cast like SG1/SGA got.<br />
More adult did you say? Far superior? I don&#8217;t think so<br />
I don&#8217;t think SGC would have hired a such inexperienced people in their program. no leader, no strong soldier who can make good decision. No entertainment in it. I bored myself when I watched it and I don&#8217;t care about these characters <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  when I cared about SG1/SGA characters and I appreciated the acting of each ones in it and I waited for them each week.:)<br />
I thanks these cast to give me this entertainment and pleasure. <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I got 15 years of enjoyment and this ended with SGU.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eddie


Think it through?   Take your own advice, how do you think they were on the planet to begin with?  

Jesus...

Far superior?   LMFAO


More adult aspect to the series?  LMFAO



I love sarcasm.  You get an A+

If you&#039;re serious though... I give you double D&#039;s because that&#039;s all you want from a show.  (   .   )(   .   )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eddie</p>
<p>Think it through?   Take your own advice, how do you think they were on the planet to begin with?  </p>
<p>Jesus&#8230;</p>
<p>Far superior?   LMFAO</p>
<p>More adult aspect to the series?  LMFAO</p>
<p>I love sarcasm.  You get an A+</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re serious though&#8230; I give you double D&#8217;s because that&#8217;s all you want from a show.  (   .   )(   .   )</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i Honestly dont see what everyone is moaning about, his show gives a more adult aspect to the series, lets face it, the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way - maybe its me i dont know, or maybe its just blended a fantasey world with good writting and better acting and this is simply too much for cheesey bad sci loving sci fi geeks? 

and to the last comment - they were hardley selected for an elite mission on an alien space ship were they..... they were the habitants of a world that was ending and escaped.. think it through eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i Honestly dont see what everyone is moaning about, his show gives a more adult aspect to the series, lets face it, the other stargates were the only shows in the franchise to deserve the word DRIVEL to descrive them, they consisted of badly written cheesy lines delivered byt cheesey actors, this show is FAR superior in every way &#8211; maybe its me i dont know, or maybe its just blended a fantasey world with good writting and better acting and this is simply too much for cheesey bad sci loving sci fi geeks? </p>
<p>and to the last comment &#8211; they were hardley selected for an elite mission on an alien space ship were they&#8230;.. they were the habitants of a world that was ending and escaped.. think it through eh?</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to start a RedRover Game:

team 1:  Reality

team 2:  Fantasy Land

Some people really need to be RedRover&#039;ed to Reality.


Average people don&#039;t have jobs like this.
Average people don&#039;t get this level of security clearance.

I mean really!  C&#039;mon!  It&#039;s not an &quot;opinion,&quot; it&#039;s a fact!

You don&#039;t apply for jobs like this, you get recruited.  Fact!

They don&#039;t just recruit any Tom, Dick (Richard encase they ****), and Harry.  Fact!

When they screen people for this stuff, they interview pretty much everyone they think you have had contact with.  Fact!

They interview friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, teachers, and other people that are relevant.  Fact!

They research everything about you they can.  You know you better than you know you sometimes.  Fact!

And that is just for one person!

Nearly everyone on Destiny are the type of people you would see working at Wal-Mart, Realty, Bank Teller, and/or Lawyer.

Average people, with average jobs.  None of them belong on Destiny, and none of them belong off world.  These people are not the &quot;right stuff.&quot;

In reality, not one of these people would have this level of security clearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to start a RedRover Game:</p>
<p>team 1:  Reality</p>
<p>team 2:  Fantasy Land</p>
<p>Some people really need to be RedRover&#8217;ed to Reality.</p>
<p>Average people don&#8217;t have jobs like this.<br />
Average people don&#8217;t get this level of security clearance.</p>
<p>I mean really!  C&#8217;mon!  It&#8217;s not an &#8220;opinion,&#8221; it&#8217;s a fact!</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t apply for jobs like this, you get recruited.  Fact!</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t just recruit any Tom, Dick (Richard encase they ****), and Harry.  Fact!</p>
<p>When they screen people for this stuff, they interview pretty much everyone they think you have had contact with.  Fact!</p>
<p>They interview friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, teachers, and other people that are relevant.  Fact!</p>
<p>They research everything about you they can.  You know you better than you know you sometimes.  Fact!</p>
<p>And that is just for one person!</p>
<p>Nearly everyone on Destiny are the type of people you would see working at Wal-Mart, Realty, Bank Teller, and/or Lawyer.</p>
<p>Average people, with average jobs.  None of them belong on Destiny, and none of them belong off world.  These people are not the &#8220;right stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>In reality, not one of these people would have this level of security clearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kermonk, we *were* blocked in China when that was written, without a doubt. But we are no longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kermonk, we *were* blocked in China when that was written, without a doubt. But we are no longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James you talk about &quot;emotions&quot; and how these people &quot;feel&quot;, I think you have hit on why some people like it and most hate it. It isn&#039;t about problem solving or synaptic stimulation for left brain logical thinkers/viewers, its a soap opera for right brain emotional thinkers/viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James you talk about &#8220;emotions&#8221; and how these people &#8220;feel&#8221;, I think you have hit on why some people like it and most hate it. It isn&#8217;t about problem solving or synaptic stimulation for left brain logical thinkers/viewers, its a soap opera for right brain emotional thinkers/viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kermonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kermonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bong 
&quot;SGU has psychologically accurate characters&quot;

You misspelled psychopatic

&quot;Woah, this site is banned in China? Awesome&quot;

It isn&#039;t: www.alertra.com

@bong
&quot;These characters are average people.&quot;

None that I&#039;ve seen. You are sure you are not just trying to justify something you&#039;ve done ? ;)

&quot;And the military is running just the way it does in real life on that show, &quot;
Which is why they stopped acting as ad visors for the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bong<br />
&#8220;SGU has psychologically accurate characters&#8221;</p>
<p>You misspelled psychopatic</p>
<p>&#8220;Woah, this site is banned in China? Awesome&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t: <a href="http://www.alertra.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alertra.com</a></p>
<p>@bong<br />
&#8220;These characters are average people.&#8221;</p>
<p>None that I&#8217;ve seen. You are sure you are not just trying to justify something you&#8217;ve done ? <img src='http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;And the military is running just the way it does in real life on that show, &#8221;<br />
Which is why they stopped acting as ad visors for the show.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BooRadley
Well that&#039;s your opinion and I personally think you are wrong.</description>
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Well that&#8217;s your opinion and I personally think you are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Myself

Damn typos:   &quot;and ARE NOT portraying&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Myself</p>
<p>Damn typos:   &#8220;and ARE NOT portraying&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James

You obviously haven&#039;t got a clue how people in the real world in these positions are mentally.  They are not just going to all of a sudden stop being part of whatever job they have, and revert back to college frat house mentality.

Sailors stuck on sunken submarines don&#039;t abandon all hope, and throw MCC out the nearest hatch.  They don&#039;t think, &quot;Probably never going to see my family, friends, or other loved ones again.  I&#039;m probably never going to walk on land again, or see the sky...LET&#039;S HAVE ORGY!&quot;

Well...I take that back...They might think it, but they DON&#039;T DO IT!

Sailors on a sunken submarine, or other sunken vessel are sailors to the end!  They may panic, they may fight, but they follow military protocol, and chain of command till they are either rescued, or dead.

Civilians have to follow Military Protocol as well when working on a Military Project.  They are subject to exact same rules and regulations in all aspects, but to a majority they are.  This is especially true on sensitive operations, or projects.

The cast of SG:U is worthless, and are portraying anything even remotely close to realistic behavior no matter the circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>You obviously haven&#8217;t got a clue how people in the real world in these positions are mentally.  They are not just going to all of a sudden stop being part of whatever job they have, and revert back to college frat house mentality.</p>
<p>Sailors stuck on sunken submarines don&#8217;t abandon all hope, and throw MCC out the nearest hatch.  They don&#8217;t think, &#8220;Probably never going to see my family, friends, or other loved ones again.  I&#8217;m probably never going to walk on land again, or see the sky&#8230;LET&#8217;S HAVE ORGY!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well&#8230;I take that back&#8230;They might think it, but they DON&#8217;T DO IT!</p>
<p>Sailors on a sunken submarine, or other sunken vessel are sailors to the end!  They may panic, they may fight, but they follow military protocol, and chain of command till they are either rescued, or dead.</p>
<p>Civilians have to follow Military Protocol as well when working on a Military Project.  They are subject to exact same rules and regulations in all aspects, but to a majority they are.  This is especially true on sensitive operations, or projects.</p>
<p>The cast of SG:U is worthless, and are portraying anything even remotely close to realistic behavior no matter the circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jw
Accually I find the show quite enjoyable i guess it isn&#039;t just your cup of tea

@BooRadley
It doesn&#039;t matter who they work for or how they are supposed to act in that job. That went out the window the minute they steped on Destiny. They are maroned 200 billion light years from earth and have no way back. They more then likely will not see there loved ones again and not walk the earth again. This changes how ppl act even if you are a part of the military, NSA, CIA, etc. Think of the emotions you would have if that happened to you?. The actors/writers have taken this situtaion and made the viewer feel how each character would feel. With that said I think they hit it bang on, each character has a story and theyr&#039;e actions fit to how I think they would act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jw<br />
Accually I find the show quite enjoyable i guess it isn&#8217;t just your cup of tea</p>
<p>@BooRadley<br />
It doesn&#8217;t matter who they work for or how they are supposed to act in that job. That went out the window the minute they steped on Destiny. They are maroned 200 billion light years from earth and have no way back. They more then likely will not see there loved ones again and not walk the earth again. This changes how ppl act even if you are a part of the military, NSA, CIA, etc. Think of the emotions you would have if that happened to you?. The actors/writers have taken this situtaion and made the viewer feel how each character would feel. With that said I think they hit it bang on, each character has a story and theyr&#8217;e actions fit to how I think they would act.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James

&quot;Bang on&quot;


NO!  NO!  NO!   They are not acting &quot;bang on.&quot;  They are acting like people YOU may know, act, but not how real people in this situation would act.

Military, and Civilian personnel for this kind of security clearance is well beyond anything you see in your day to day life.  What do you think of when you think of the NSA, or CIA?  These people are like drones when on the job.

The mindset alone elevates them to heights light years beyond this cast.  You ever met a bunch of MIT nerds?  Smart people are not normal people.  They do not act like normal people.  They act like Rodney McKay - arrogant, rude, self-indulgent.  There are a few exceptions, but not many.

This cast is NOT &quot;bang on.&quot;  This cast is &quot;Bang OFF.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James</p>
<p>&#8220;Bang on&#8221;</p>
<p>NO!  NO!  NO!   They are not acting &#8220;bang on.&#8221;  They are acting like people YOU may know, act, but not how real people in this situation would act.</p>
<p>Military, and Civilian personnel for this kind of security clearance is well beyond anything you see in your day to day life.  What do you think of when you think of the NSA, or CIA?  These people are like drones when on the job.</p>
<p>The mindset alone elevates them to heights light years beyond this cast.  You ever met a bunch of MIT nerds?  Smart people are not normal people.  They do not act like normal people.  They act like Rodney McKay &#8211; arrogant, rude, self-indulgent.  There are a few exceptions, but not many.</p>
<p>This cast is NOT &#8220;bang on.&#8221;  This cast is &#8220;Bang OFF.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James
&quot;You have to think about the situation they are in and taking that into consideration they are acting pretty much bang on.&quot;

-James, I think that if you have to explain to someone, specifically a sci-fi fan, what the &quot;have&quot; to do to enjoy the show, then the show is at fault, not the viewer.  Maybe they are acting &quot;bang on&quot; to what a real person would do.  What makes that a great a TV show?  So far, it has made the show boring and drab.  

If a character is put into the situation of being lost in a crowd, and really having to pee, that could be quite a conflict, no?  Show of hands... who wants to watch that drama play out?  My point is: just because the characters are behaving the way we would expect real people to behave, doesn&#039;t make it worth watching.  In fact, it puts much more pressure on the writers to come up with some seriously good stuff.  Which so far, has not happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James<br />
&#8220;You have to think about the situation they are in and taking that into consideration they are acting pretty much bang on.&#8221;</p>
<p>-James, I think that if you have to explain to someone, specifically a sci-fi fan, what the &#8220;have&#8221; to do to enjoy the show, then the show is at fault, not the viewer.  Maybe they are acting &#8220;bang on&#8221; to what a real person would do.  What makes that a great a TV show?  So far, it has made the show boring and drab.  </p>
<p>If a character is put into the situation of being lost in a crowd, and really having to pee, that could be quite a conflict, no?  Show of hands&#8230; who wants to watch that drama play out?  My point is: just because the characters are behaving the way we would expect real people to behave, doesn&#8217;t make it worth watching.  In fact, it puts much more pressure on the writers to come up with some seriously good stuff.  Which so far, has not happened.</p>
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