Comments on: TV Ratings: New Eastwick Loses to Repeat of The Jay Leno Show

By: Jared

Jared — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:19:23 +0000

So is there anywhere to watch the real episode 11 of eastwick? I didn’t even bother watching the last episode when I noticed that they skipped it.

By: Keywee

Keywee — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:51:12 +0000

to be fair, abc did show all re-runs between 8-10pm and it was already losing to cbs and nbc

By: AniMatsuri

AniMatsuri — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:28:49 +0000

I’m thinking that ABC scarred away what little fans Eastwick had by skipping to episode 12. People might have tuned out when the next new episode didn’t seem to have much of a conection to what happened in the last aired episode.

I wonder if Lifetime or SyFy will pick this series up to rerun on their respected channels?

By: Ronnie K

Ronnie K — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:50:53 +0000

Of course Leno rated higher. ABC disrespected Eastwick fans by skipping episode 11 and will not be showing episode 13..why would I WANT to watch episode 12 to only be left with another cliff hanger and no answers.

By: Bill Gorman

Bill Gorman — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:45:54 +0000

Eric, which of your favorite shows was particularly poorly rated (by the pathetic Nielsen system) and recently canceled? or headed for cancellation?

By: Eric

Eric — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:37:25 +0000

Neilson is as pathetic a ratings system as the advertisers who pay for it’s mis-information. The ad-based free network TV model is dead. In this day and age, people are much more willing to pay to watch the shows they want, choose when they want to watch them (less commercials) and thereby allow the good ones to stay on the air. My DVR could tell the advertisers quite a bit about which of their awful commercials I skip through however!

By: Riff Rafferty

Riff Rafferty — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:52 +0000

To “Eastwick” fans, the party-line from ABC is that they have no plans “at the moment” to air “Red Bath and Beyond” and “Pampered and Tampered.” Perhaps you will see them this summer, as you did for the leftovers of last season’s Warner Bros. bomb, “Pushing Daisies.” And perhaps they will insert a repeat of “Magic Snow and Creepy Gene” in between so you can watch it where it was meant to be seen and not have to wonder where all those “previously on” scenes were coming from or how the hell the hot chicks got out of the predicament they were in when they last left off in “Tea and Psychopathy.” (Hi, Anna. Thanks for being wrong as usual. Bye now.)

By: Nightstar

Nightstar — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:26:08 +0000

kyle, re Charlie Brown Special

Since 1986, according to the imdb folks. Just FYI

By: Lizardman

Lizardman — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:17:48 +0000

By the way, Episode 11 the episode they skipped was titled “Red Bath and Beyond.”

By: Lizardman

Lizardman — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:48:15 +0000

@Anna

Wednesdays episode of Eastwick was logged as Episode 12 on a number of sites that record that type of information as that was the information passed from ABC. Episode 11 was never aired. I have checked with three sources before I mentioned it online as that information is not always 100% correct. I haven’t found anyone to show me anything tangible otherwise and have made some inquires to those who might know the answer.

Actually it is a pretty moot point at this time. They were in the middle of producing episode 13 when canceled and ABC only showed eleven total on the air. I believe ABC really left the one for Wednesday as the finale.

Lizard

By: Obvi

Obvi — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:01:49 +0000

Reruns of The Middle do better then Cougar Town always.

The Middle should be behind Modern Family.

They could be the 00′s Cosby Show/Family Ties…

By: Silvia

Silvia — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:44:57 +0000

How did the premiere of the real world dc do?

By: kyle

kyle — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:31:58 +0000

Since when does Charlie Brown have a New Years Special???

By: Don J

Don J — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:27:43 +0000

Peter:
You do know that everything last night was repeats right including Modern Family and Cougar Town?

I don’t know why any of these repeat figures really matter other than recouping more ad dollars to pay for production and promotion costs.

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:16:31 +0000

That’s the second comment of surprise at Glee’s repeat numbers. Is that a good surprised or bad surprised? I see nothing surprising about them either way, so I’m trying to figure out if my expectations are too high or too low, according to some.

By: Pontmercy

Pontmercy — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:58:26 +0000

Of course The Office repeats did better. It has more exposure; more people know about it. Maybe marathoning P&R and Community will give those shows a boost in ratings. NBC can only hope.

Kind of surprised at Glee’s repeat numbers.

By: toby jones

toby jones — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:56:27 +0000

I hope dick clark and ryan secrest can pull of good ratings for their new years eve show tonight on FOX.

By: ABCHasProblems

ABCHasProblems — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:24:11 +0000

Why didn’t ABC air an AFV repeat at 10pm last night and save the two unaired Eastwick episodes on Saturday from 8-10pm? They’re airing Desperate Housewives repeats from 8-10pm on Saturday and we all know how lousy that show does in repeats. I know they are re-airing those two episodes (including the plane crash episode) for people to catch up on the show for Sunday night’s new episode, but is Eastwick that lousy of a performer that it can’t do as “well” as DH repeats on a Saturday?

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:32:26 +0000

vsaint, it couldn’t possibly be that less people watched them originally, so now when there’s no competition more people haven’t seen them and are checking them out. That couldn’t possibly be the answer. It must be a flaw in the numbers.

By: vsaint

vsaint — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:26:34 +0000

This is a joke, CBS wednesday comedies get low-mid 2′s on originals and it’s repeating like this. Come on.
This is where Neilson ratings is really flawed.

By: Peter

Peter — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:24:52 +0000

Cougar Town did poorly, much worse than Modern Family. That show could be in trouble. I always thought the premise was a bit flimsy to sustain 25 episodes a year.

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:06:08 +0000

This is so stupid! Duh no one is going to watch Eastwick after it has been cancelled, especially when the creator said in an interview that the episodes recorded end in the middle of very important story lines. I’m glad networks keep taking chances with non-procedurals. Not every show needs to be a CSI or NCIS. Personally, I like a connected story that I can follow week to week, not just a different version of the same story. Go Eastwick! I will definitely buy the DVD if it gets released.

By: Shem

Shem — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:58:30 +0000

Great news for Jay!! Now he has Betty to contend with!

By: Wicked

Wicked — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:41:02 +0000

Well, you cannot expect a show that you do not promote, constantly play with air time, et al. to have any decent ratings.

Eastwick as a good little show. How ABC handled the show was horrific. No wonder there was never any good numbers.

Let’s not forget, one area got the full show starting on time.
In other areas, Eastwick started over 20 mins. late. EW started well over twenty minutes late on my local ABC. I was just ready to turn off the TV when the show started. Matter of fact, I was on the ABC forum trying to figure out what was going on right when it started. I had no clue what was going on. I can imagine that others may have given up in the first few minutes assuming that ABC was not going to air it – seems this was an ABC trend with EW to begin with.

So yeah, there goes some ratings if you ask me.

By: Joe D

Joe D — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:56:34 +0000

WOW! What’s happened with Christine & Gary? They seem to have really picked up especially in total viewers. Maybe Christine will stick around another season after all. More episodes for Julia’s syndication.

By: Glee Nielsen Ratings, Season 1 :

Glee Nielsen Ratings, Season 1 : — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:44:26 +0000

[...] Throwdown (9-10:00PM) (+)Overnight ratings: 3.59 million viewers, 1.3/4 rating/share 18-49 Placement: 4th place, behind Modern Family (ABC) in rating/share 18-49 Source: TVByTheNumbers [...]

By: jay

jay — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:06:49 +0000

It seems the esoteric art of understanding the significance of ratings for reruns requires more time and effort to master than most people care to put into it – surely retailers and movies advertise the hell out of the Christmas season, so I don’t really think the December ratings, while miniscule with razor-thin margins among shows, are as insignificant to sponsors as they are to the public. About the Office: generally, counter-intuitively, syndication improves the ratings of shows still on the air. I got tired of the Office after one year, but I have been watching it every day on TBS between Seindfeld and Earl, and also have watched Earl in syndie after giving up on its 2nd season storyline. I’ve gotten back into the Office. I don’t roar with laughter, but I do appreciate what they are trying to do, and I don’t think the original British version, which is shown late-late night on Adult Swim, is all that much better than the American version. The Office has a cast which looks like actual people, and some of the minor characters are the best and most poignant. What other show would bother to promote the weird ( and true to life ) fatal attraction between the uptight blond control freak and the truly disturbed ( and often hilarious) Rainn Wilson (?) character? Anyway, can’t wait to get to the stats freak posts …

By: Anna

Anna — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:04:08 +0000

@Lizardman

no they didnt skip episode 11. I thought they did too because the episode started off with flashbacks but it wasnt a skipped episode. it was just the characters memory.

By: Craig

Craig — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:05:07 +0000

Well of course Eastwick is doing numbers like that, its beeb cancelled, people will have stopped watching since we know there is no ending to the show, i know i have

By: Nightstar

Nightstar — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:48:06 +0000

Riff:

I write it off to an early start on the holiday egg nog

By: Don J

Don J — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:41:18 +0000

rob:
Some viewers are really tempermental and extremely irrational. I recall when FOX canceled Prison Break, I read 700+ posts on some other board of people complaining and saying they vowed never to watch FOX again and said Prison Break has 2-3 more seasons left in it.

By: Kyle B

Kyle B — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:35:05 +0000

@johnthemon, If you’re still on the schedule, you still need to draw in an audience, whether you’ve been canned or not…if only to help draw in viewers to other shows, and promote whatever’s gonna take to time period.

By: rob

rob — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:31:33 +0000

I think its stupid that people will not watch other shows on ABC just because they cancelled Eastwick. Like as mad as I am, Eastwick didnt get good ratings so ABC had to cancel it. Though ABC cancelled Eastwick, I will still watch The Middle and Modern Family because I like those shows and they shouldnt suffer! But as far as new shows, not watching any just yet.

By: Tks

Tks — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:27:08 +0000

I watched modern family (I vowed never to I hate the actress who plays the mother). But damn it it was funny. Same for cougar town. I liked it. But too bad ABC I won’t watch you anymore you said goodbye to Eastwick I say good bye to you.

By: Riff Rafferty

Riff Rafferty — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:26:05 +0000

At least “Eastwick” finally held its lead-in.

And how silly of ABC to pull the 11th episode and air the 12th instead (while never even scheduling the 13th). What purpose did that serve?

By: johnthemon

johnthemon — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:17:16 +0000

@Rob, alright you guys win. I guess I was wrong.

@Kyle B, as has been said countless times before, why would ABC waste promo space for a show they’ve already declared dead?

By: Robert Seidman

Robert Seidman — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:15:00 +0000

Johnthemon: I think your expectations that it’s obvious are unreasonable because it’s New Years Eve. If they’d have done it last night, or Monday night, maybe, but you probably won’t be able to read anything at all into what happens tonight anymore than you could read anything into repeats airing on a Saturday where, for example, reruns of The Office typically perform much worse than they did last night.

By: Kyle B

Kyle B — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:13:16 +0000

^^…Any they are even streaming it at the network sight, or Hulu, so I can’t even catch up.

By: johnthemon

johnthemon — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:13:14 +0000

@ Don J, you are absolutely right. The age of the rerun is over. That’s why nets program the summers with original programming now.

By: Kyle B

Kyle B — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:11:52 +0000

I heard that Eastwick had been canceled, and thought it had been pulled. Whenever I tuned in-after the cancellation news, it was never on. I forgot to even check Wed night-probably because, as noted by ‘Joe Bua’ upthread, ABC hasn’t run ANY promos for it.

By: johnthemon

johnthemon — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:10:50 +0000

@Julia, probably the best indicator so far. I’m not going to compare it to new episodes of course, but to the relative performance of the other comedy marathons on NBC. I expected this to be obvious.

@Tony, don’t underestimate the power of a lead-in. At this point, it’s probably not helping 30 Rock much, the people who like it have already found it. But don’t say that it never helps a show.

By: Giuseppe

Giuseppe — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:57:23 +0000

Great numbers for the repeat of Criminal Minds – which is always a strong hitter in new episodes and repeats. It’s too bad it will be thrown under the Idol bus, but at least it can hold its own.

By: Don J

Don J — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:57:04 +0000

Do the networks even really care that much about their shows repeating badly? I mean noone expects a Modern Family or Cougar Town rerun to even have comparible numbers to a 1st run episode.

Even if your a fan of the show and missed the episode, chances are your going to hunt for it on Hulu if you have high speed internet.

I think during the holidays and part of January it’s more a matter of just getting something on the air.

Seeing comments that The Office marathon was a disaster is baffling.

By: Calvin

Calvin — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:47:45 +0000

Last night was an ok night for NBC. NBC proved to advertisers that repeat episodes of The Office can beat repeat episodes of ABC’s “hit” comedies in the A 18-49 demo. However, repeat episodes of The Office couldn’t beat repeat episodes of Old Christine and Gary UnMarried. NBC executives must be praying that Two and a Half Men and the Big Bang Theory won’t directly compete with The Office.

ABC had a terrible night. The producers of the Middle now know that the maximum audience for the Middle will be the peak audience for Old Christine. If the quality of the show remains good, then the Middle has a chance to stay on the air for years.

I’m sorry to tell Courtney Cox Arquette that The Middle appears to be a stronger show than her show. The critics appear to prefer The Middle over Cougar Town. Just like Samantha Who?, Cougar Town depends on a strong lead in. If Cougar Town doesn’t improve its quality, it will end up like Samantha Who?

What more can be said about Eastwick? The title of this blog says it all. I applaud ABC for bringing in non crime procedurals to network television. I do feel sorry for the advertisers who probably paid at least twice those who paid to advertise at the Jay Leno Show. Those advertisers are getting ripped off. Next year, those advertisers should demand that if they don’t get the ratings they were promised, they should demand to air commercials on Grey’s Anatomy for free during the November, February, or May sweeps periods.

By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:46:52 +0000

I’m so surprised at the ratings for Old Christine.

I’d never expect it to beat The Office or Glee, but it beat both!

By: Joe Bua

Joe Bua — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:23 +0000

Have you seen a promo for Eastwick lately? I haven’t. What a shame, it’s actually a fun li’l show with some nice work from Paul Gross and Jaime Ray Newman. Even RR-O’C isn’t so bad on the show.

Certainly better than a couple of their other 10 pm offerings, like Private Practice which is just horrible and a complete waste of Kate Walsh, and the Christian Slater series.

I betcha this show is a big hit if it airs after Grey’s. Sure, it won’t happen, but I think it would have worked there.

By: Don J

Don J — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:34:00 +0000

Why would ABC only air 11 of the 13 produced episodes? They could have easily had a couple of 2 episode marathons.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:27:30 +0000

@johnthemon: I don’t put much stock in lead-in programs (as discussed in a previous thread) although I’m told there is statistical evidence to the contrary – I can’t buy into it.
I watch “Parks & Rec” and “The Office” every week and turn the channel when “30 Rock” starts.
I think it’s the most over-rated show in prime time.

By: Julia

Julia — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:17:55 +0000

johnthemon, you think New Years Eve repeats is really a good judge of that?

By: Ryan

Ryan — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:16:54 +0000

i hope NBC’s comedy night done right lineup can become more sucseful like it’s Cosby/Cheers era and that aBC wednseday gets more viewers too. Rock On Office, modern Family, P & R, Community, 30 Rock, and The Jay leno Show