Do you think ANYONE torrents ‘Swamp Loggers’? Me neither.

The problem here that I see is that a good portion of the tech inclined just torrents CAP and goes out Friday night (Or watches Swamp Loggers and then torrents CAP)

SyFy rewind doesn’t happen until five days after the air date… policies like this are like athletes slicing their Achilles before a triathlon. Why can’t the online content run concurrently with the live broadcast.

The advertisers wouldn’t have it? You can have Hulu-esque commercials implanted.

If it’s online the affiliates won’t have people watching their cable? If someone is going to watch it online, they will whether it’s condoned or not.

The best practice is to seize on this and exploit the technology of streaming online or gut yourself from the inside by wearing blinders and saying ‘Well, our data sheet says not enough people are watching this on TV, therefore it has a weak following and we should jettison it and put on another ‘Spook Hunters’ No, that’s not better at all; just no one is going to go to the trouble to watch Spook Hunters online and you’ll find them stoned with Cheetos dribbling from their mouths watching a first run of it simply because the viewer doesn’t care to invest in something more substantial at that time.

Of course there is the iTunes season pass, but 34.00 for SD for 7 episodes? That’s almost $5/episode… try $1.99 and $2.99 for HD and watch people pony up. “Here, let me show you the right way to blow your own foot off…”

Its just a shame that shows like this will suffer as old network media is dragged into the light of video on demand via internet before a workable equilibrium is established letting the networks actually tally who watches what and allow the consumer discretion and value for the selections they choose.

Please have mercy: Cancel the show and let’s pretend it never happend.

(BSG 1980 was REALLY bad! – but Caprica is even worse)

I watched the first episode of Caprica and gave up. I am happy to see something this lame go down the tubes. Maybe Rons swelled head can shrink a bit now.

Though I have to say prequels almost never work. It is easy to ignore when you already know the final outcome. But it doesn’t help that is another defying gravity like soap-fi.

I was a fan of the original BSG as a kid and teen. Watching it as an adult though makes me cringe, it is terrible! Your obsessive lack of perspective is really tiresome. You could make your point succinctly in a single post or two rather than posting tirade after tirade.

The new series had it’s own problems, primarily that Religion was being used in the same way that the Transporters are used in Star Trek to solve every problem. Create a problem too big to solve neatly during the hour? NO problem, invent a miracle!

I cannot believe how boring it is. I am actually finding the ad breaks more interesting !

I’m hoping that Sy-Fy forgets that they’re owned by NBC and does something right, like partnering “Caprica” up with a solid lead-in, and giving the show some additional support and time to develop. I mean, “Heroes” is still on, so there’s hope…right?

think the general lack of successful sci-fi shows on cable and broadcast for decades should tell you everything you need to know about it as a commercially viable television option.

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STAR TREK has had more spin off than any tv show in tv history. It was a jaggernaut in the ratings for quite a while. XFILES has huge in rhe ratings and an excelent show. LOST is huge and is fantasy, which is in the same family as science fiction. THE TWILIGHT ZONE, THE PRISONER USA miniseries, THE OUTTER LIMITS (old and new), etc, etc.

SyFy under the ex-LIFETIME CHANNEL executive, Bonnie Hammer.. the queen of reality tv and former WWE employee is the problem and the reason why their shows sucks so bad. She has no CLUE or care about quality science fiction.

You are wrong if you think cable companies desire to defend folks having to pay for channels that are ALL THE SAME. They have admitted at hearings that they are being forced to put channels on their systems as package deals and can not chose what channels they provide. They prefer every niche be provided for so everyone has a reason to subscribe. Thousands are leaving cable because they have very little variety. Most folks watch similar programs most of the time, look at CBS and the procedural shows that consistently do very well. Huge numbers prefer them and some watch very little else.

Basic cable has 13 channels, to get Syfy the second tier has to be purchased which cost about five times more than basic cable. HBO etc, is pay cable but to get Syfy I have to pay for about a hundred and twenty channels I never watch. And folks that want say TV Land have to pay for Syfy and it goes on and on. If the corporations did not control everything freedom of choice would exist, if so then I could be told to SHUT UP, but until then I will fight back any way I can, which may end up with my leaving any cable (actually satellite) and just pay online for what I want to watch, I already would have except I still have a contract for a few more months (which I will honor).

I think the general lack of successful sci-fi shows on cable and broadcast for decades should tell you everything you need to know about it as a commercially viable television option.

“Your will is irrelevant to the point that you have the power to subscribe or not subscribe.”"

That is why I have a complaint because I have to PAY against my will and the channel was give a spot as a NICHE channel. I pay Syfy a fee every month to provide me with niche programing, the contract is IMPLIIED and that is why there is a movement trying to get freedom of choice in chosing the cable channels we pay for. If I was not paying them a fee each month I would not have any right to complain about being abandonded by a channel that was created to provide NICHE programming. TV Land is doing them same thing to their subscribers.( I do not watch TV Land)

It always amazes me how the free market folks aways avoid admitting consumers should not have to pay their free market masters for services not provided. Ok to make me pay, but not ok to be required to provide the progrsming (the service) we pay for. Advertising income is secondary to cable fees the channels colect. Most cable channels can not exist on advertsiing income alone. That is why the broadcast model is in trouble for the broadcast nwetworks.

In a perfect world if there were niche programing locations on cable channels and if the owners could not be successful with the genre then they (the company owning the channel) would lose their spot on the cable systems and someone capable of managing the genre programing would take over and provide the NICHE. If no one could the spot would just be eliminated. It is not a perfect world so owners of cable channels use the niche idea to get on to the cable system and then refuse to spend money on programing that already exist and fail to get the niche audience and then blame the audience for not watching substandard programing. If Syfy was to go after the best Science Fiction programing they would have the science fiction audience which is reported to be about ten percent of the population or at least thirty million folks , so if only ten percent watched they would average over three million and be the best watched channel on cable. Instead they chose to be a substandard programmer and failed, it being their own fault.

SyFy has no privity of contract or a contract for that matter with cable subscribers. SyFy contracts with cable providers who then offer SyFy’s content to the cable subscribers. Your will is irrelevant to the point that you have the power to subscribe or not subscribe.

Alex
Yes cable channels are businesses that make a claim of providing a NICHE audience with niche programing so they are paid by EVERY SUBSCRIBER that has cable. To get on the cable systems the promise of providing this NICHE audience was used to be guaranteed money every month even if the cable customer never watches the channel. If the cable channels can abandon their NICHE then subscribers should bee able to EXCLUDE them being paid each month. In other words if SYFY does not want to keep their contract with the cable customers and move away form their NICHE than I want to deprive them of paying them any longer.

The cable chancels get much more money form their fees they charge cable companies that come from customers that are often forced to pay for the channel they never watch because the generalis someone else pays for theirs ( the ones they watch). If all cable channels become general audience channels then all channels should be chosen or rejected by cable customers at their choice. Cable channels should not have it both ways. Business is Business so I should not be forced to pay for all the BS programing against my will, or the niche channels should KEEP their commitment to programing for the niche audience.

It Amazes me the Garbage people DO WATCH..This is BS

They CANT CANCEL CAPRICA FTW!!!!!

1 – Again comparing the viewing figures of a show from broadcast television 30 years ago to the viewing figures of a cable show today is ridiculous. Its ridiculous enough to compare broadcast shows of 30 years ago to broadcast shows of today. It becomes even more ridiculous when you try to use those number to determine quality. The fact that more people watched it doesn’t even mean that more people liked it or still do.

2 – SyFy (or Sci-Fi as it was) tried to be a niche network with genre content and nobody watched. Like it or not networks are businesses and have to be run for profit, if audiences were actually watching the sci-fi content and ever had watched the sci-fi content then the network wouldn’t have felt the need to change and evolve.

Also horror and fantasy aren’t sc-fi and that attitude is why no matter how much you promote some of these shows many wont watch them.

Someone who thinks that sci-fi, horror and fantasy are all the same should not be in charge of this channel.

So SciFi was so impressed with RM that they gave him another series? Is that really evidence that RM can write?

Miley Cyrus (aka Hannah Montana) makes millions of dollars as a singer yet she can’t sing. Same thing with RM and writing apparently.

If Syfy is going to remake itself it should take a page from Fox’s book and go get some writers and take some chances. SGU, Caprica, W13 even is not taking chances, IMO. Now Farscape was taking a chance and even SG1 back in the day. See if they can get Seth MacFarlane to give another scifi animation a chance or go overseas (they’re borrowing Brit programming right and left anyway, go to the source). But ITA with some previous posters, Syfy needs to figure out who they’re trying to sell to because there are other channels that do character based dramas much better. Btw, whatever happened to the astronaut show that was on Tuesdays or something? Is that gone?

I actually enjoy soaps, but don’t mess up my scifi with soaps…they belong on soapnet and daytime tv…scifi should be scifi and quit dissing the fans by trying to be everything to everyone and ending up being nothing….SLEUTH may be one of the few niche channels that is still all about mystery and crime. All the other niches are going down the tubes with their original fan base because their trying to be LIFETIME/USA/FAMILY CHANNEL/TNT/USA all at the same time while killing off the very people who got their networks going in the first place….the very loyal, and ignored niche fans.

STAR TREK TOS was broadcast in syndication IMMEDIATELY after it went off the air, where it became huge. Moore’s imposter BSG has yet to be bought in syndication, even though the STARGATES were in syndication on the networks even before SG-A ws even off the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series

Or hey, if not that, then stick with Merlin at 8 and SGU at 9, as they’re doing starting in April, and Caprica at 10. At the end of the day, the point is that Caprica needs something to support it. Maybe BSG reruns would work, but I doubt it. I dunno, the fact that it’s a prequel doesn’t make it work, IMO. Persoanlly, I think reruns of SG-1 or SG-A would work better than BSG.

Why don’t people realize the fallacy with this line of thinking? The reason why movies like Avatar or LOTR – huge genre spectaculars – succeed is because they’re friggin spectacles which need to be experienced on the big screen. And they’re self-contained stories. A get-away in a fantastic world, without needing to get really involved in the movie’s universe, as would be the case with a TV show.

And, of course, there is the fact that a movie like Avatar costs half a billion. You can get away with outrageous costs because you’re selling a unique experience and people will flock to see it. On a 40-million per season budget, you can’t deliver such spectacle, so you’re stuck with the core sci-fi fanbase. And that really isn’t that big.

I would pair up Caprica with reruns of BSG. Honestly I think it would help. I mean they’re gonna pair SGU up with Merlin for goodness sake. Well maybe they don’t have access to BSG reruns.

Three programs produced fireworks over the Fourth of July week; everything else fizzled. The three programs were the finale of ABC’s Dancing With the Stars, which attracted 22.4 million viewers and was by far the most-watched show of the week; another was the season opener of Big Brother 6, which drew 8.5 million viewers; and the third was the season premiere of USA Network’s Monk, which, with 6.4 million viewers, drew bigger audiences than many network shows last week. Otherwise, the week produced the smallest audiences of the year.

Indeed NBC drew one of its lowest ratings ever with a two-hour showcase of Battlestar Galactica set to air on Sci Fi channel, an NBC corporate sibling. It turned out to be the lowest-rated show of the week on any of the major networks, drawing just 2.3 million viewers.

The evening newscasts finished with virtually unchanged ratings, with NBC leading with 8.7 million viewers, ABC following with 8.2 million, and CBS trailing with 6.8 million. All of the networks experienced a spike in their ratings on Thursday following the terrorist attacks in London.

http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2005-07-13#tv1

It’s so funny. SGU sucks because its trying to be like Caprica/BSG. Why? In today’s world BSG was extremely successful.

Now Caprica is failing (Ratings wise). Why? MARKETING. This show is POORLY Marketed. If it were marketed correctly, it would be far more popular.

As for losing Male viewers, perhaps its losing young males, but I think it appeals greatly to older males (with children). Men who can relate to Adama, and Greystone.

(Sunday, July 10 08:38 AM)

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) Fast National ratings for Saturday, July 9, 2005.
Led by a pair of episodes of “48 Hours,” CBS won all three primetime hours on Saturday, though The Eye still couldn’t beat FOX in the coveted young adult demographics.

Overall, CBS averaged a 4.3 rating/9 share, outdistancing second place FOX’s 3.7/7. ABC was a distant third with a 2.7/5. NBC, which ran three hours of the Sci Fi Channel drama “Battlestar Galactica” was a dismal fourth with a 1.8/4.

FOX came in first among adults 18-49, doing a 2.1 rating in the demographic advertisers love the most. ABC was second with a 1.5 rating, followed closely by the 1.4 rating for CBS. NBC trailed again with a 0.9 rating.

CBS started the night off right with a 3.8/8 for “48 Hours Mystery,” good enough to beat FOX’s “COPS” (3.3/7) for the hour. ABC was third with the 2.2/5 first hour of “The Emperor’s New Groove,” while NBC was last with the beginning of the “Battlestar Galactica” marathon.

At 9 p.m., CBS got a 4.3/9 from “Cold Case,” edging the 4.1/8 for “America’s Most Wanted” on FOX. The second hour of ABC’s Disney movie was third, while NBC got a 1.8/3 from its “Galactica” hour.

The second “48 Hours” episode delivered the night’s strongest ratings for CBS, with a 4.9/10. ABC moved up to second with a 3.2/7 for “America’s Funniest Home Videos.” NBC remained last with “Battlestar.”

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/…6272|1|,00.html