TV By The Numbers Is More Powerful Than You Can Possibly Imagine...

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May 14th, 2012

While the claim that TV by the Numbers' predictions kill shows by influencing large numbers of viewers to stop watching* them are pretty routine in our comments, Harry's Law executive producer Bill D'Elia thinks we're a lot more powerful than we actually are too!


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*Conveniently ignored by the claimants is the fact that we make our predictions *after* the low ratings are in, and the adults 18-49 viewers that advertisers pay for have *already* stopped watching. Where's the hate for the critics who tell people to not watch in *advance*?

Update: italics added above for the particularly sensitive.

 
  • JC

    ugh (stupid computer) the end of that comment was going to be that I’ll DVR their shows, but I am not going to start watching them only to lose it half way though. Once I can see that the show is secure I’ll start watching it.

  • Melanie

    @Holly — I wonder if its because its just numbers at TVBN? Other sites obviously do opinion pieces about shows – downright fansites a lot of them — so people can disagree with someone’s opinion – God knows that’s apparently what the internet is mainly for – but when its ‘Just the facts, Ma’am’ with the Renew/Cancel Index less wiggle room for discussion.

    Either that, or its Bill using his Jedi mind tricks . . . . .

  • Tommy M.

    Good job TVBTN! Now could you please take all of The Real Housewives of (Insert City Here) and all of the Kardashian shows off the air next?

  • halloween

    numbers don’t lie

  • SarahL

    LOL! If Bill and Robert had the power to influence the viewing habits of the American public, they would not be running a ratings Web site, they would be ruling the television industry.

  • Lisa

    If you’d predicted the renewal of Harry’s Law and the show had made it to another season, somehow I doubt D’Elia would be tweeting to give you credit for the show’s success.

  • Jenny

    Just when I score big in Fan Excuse Bingo with the Super Moon excuse. Along comes Academy Award winner Kathy Bates and Executive Producer of Harry’s Law (“most viewed scripted drama on NBC”), Bill D’Elia, to top me. WOW.

    Tvbythenumbers is very powerful to have people like that playing Fan Excuse Bingo .

  • Daw Johnson

    The site has definitely played a part in exposing the importance of the adults 18-49 demographic to the common man. For decades, the “household rating” was the number people knew, and popular sites like Zap2it posted that number as the holy grail.

    Even to this day, wrestling and mixed martial websites only really report the household rating as “the rating,” and some prominent sports websites like SMW do the same. (Granted, household rating does seem to matter in sports–the FOX Sports president told me directly that they look at total viewership and household rating, along with 18-49 and 18-34)

    And there was at least one PROMINENT entertainment website, with a reporter who should know better, who expressed surprise that a show with Harry’s Law’s viewership was cancelled.

    But TV By the Numbers didn’t make advertisers start paying based on A18-49, nor did it make networks who care about courting those advertisers focus on the demographic.

    – For the other point, there’s definitely something to the notion of being deterred from watching shows that premiere with low ratings (I can say this, personally, regarding a show like “Awake”), but that is going to happen regardless of whether or not one specific website starts making corny bear jokes.

    Plus, rarely will shows start with abysmal, “The Firm”-level numbers and turn into hits. So, ratings report or no ratings report, there are REASONS people are not watching, and those reasons are not necessarily going to change because Kathy Bates gets angsty on Twitter.

  • Ewaut

    If it was true, either the networks or the advertisers should defintely start paying TVBTN

  • SherLOCKED (The Mighty Cringe)

    Why do people blame someone for nothing less than predicting something??

    We all knew Ringer was a goner after a certain amount of time, but I still watched it cause I liked the show.

    Watch a show if you like. If it gets canceled, You’ll get over it. If it gets renewed, yay! :D

  • Mumbo

    Apparently your site is playing God, lol.

    All you guys are doing are reporting facts on what happened (well, the fact of what was measured and what advertisers are going to look at, anyway, of course the hard accuracy of numbers is up to debate but that doesn’t have anything to do with decisionmaking).

    If there’s one thing that’s dangerous, it’s a website that reports facts!

  • RG-X

    the flawed lay-out of The Nielson ratings causes shows to fail.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Robert Seidman

    one thing worth noting, and compounding the problem is people like the guy who tweeted to Mr. D’Elia.

    Neither Bill nor I fully grasp the notion of basing viewing decisions on whether someone thinks a show will be canceled or renewed. But I’m also not someone who feels screwed over by Fox for watching The Finder. I do not think “I’d have never watched that if I knew it would be canceled!”

    Speaking for myself, whether I enjoy a show or not is my basis for watching.
    There were over 400 episodes of Law & Order and I can’t imagine feeling any differently about the first 66 or so if I knew it would wind up getting canceled after 3 seasons.

  • Jenny

    SarahL “LOL! If Bill and Robert had the power to influence the viewing habits of the American public, they would not be running a ratings Web site, they would be ruling the television industry.

    Bill Gorman , Robert Seidman tvbythenumbers are ruling the television industry, according Academy Award winner Kathy Bates and Executive Producer of Harry’s Law (“most viewed scripted drama on NBC”), Bill D’Elia.

    WOW, tvbythenumbers I hope you use your superpowers for good and not evil.

  • DW

    This site had zero to do with shows being cancelled. 18-49 year olds do.

  • Harris

    @Robert Ewww, you like L&O? I take back what I said. Clearly you’re trying to destroy television.

  • GirlTalk

    If this logic were true, TBTN would’ve influenced folks regarding Bill’s son’s show Whitney. Chris survived the cut. Bill should be gratful because that show shouldn’t have been picked up.

  • MBmomof3

    WOW!!! Such power. Now if you had only told everyone to watch One Life to Live it wouldn’t have been cancelled.

  • Fake Me Out

    KILL THE MESSENGER!

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “one thing worth noting, and compounding the problem is people like the guy who tweeted to Mr. D’Elia.

    Neither Bill nor I fully grasp the notion of basing viewing decisions on whether someone thinks a show will be canceled or renewed. But I’m also not someone who feels screwed over by Fox for watching The Finder. I do not think “I’d have never watched that if I knew it would be canceled!”

    Speaking for myself, whether I enjoy a show or not is my basis for watching.
    There were over 400 episodes of Law & Order and I can’t imagine feeling any differently about the first 66 or so if I knew it would wind up getting canceled after 3 seasons.”

    Ditto.

    If a show I watch gets canceled, I’m not happy about it because I’ll not be able to watch it again, but my previous enjoyment of the show is not harmed.

    Even if a show you like is getting canceled, why not watch all you can, while you can?

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