NBC: 'Guys With Kids' Is A "Toss Up" For Renewal Or Cancellation, But There's No Margin For More Declines

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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October 16th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-October 14, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice :oops: (canceled 10/18) 0.65
Up All Night :oops: 0.67
30 Rock final season 0.69
Guys With Kids :| :| :| 0.79
Grimm (F) :) :) :) :) 0.82
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.89
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.92
Chicago Fire :) :) :) :) 0.97
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.00
The New Normal :) :) :) :) 1.01
The Office final season 1.09
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.38
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.75

10/18 Update: Animal Practice has been canceled.
Rookie sitcom Guys With Kids certain drew its share of predictions of doom from our commenters, but its first two weeks of ratings were at 80% and 89% of NBC's overall scripted average. Shows with those relative ratings would be renewed were the season to end today. It's third week rating was only 78% of NBC's scripted show average that week, right on the edge of the "toss up" range. Any more relative ratings declines and the show is more likely to be #bearchow than not.

Up All Night and Animal Practice are each certain to be canceled by the end of the season.

Where's the bear? He's not just in the NBC post this season, he's moving around!

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.

*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “chicago fire should be on the bubble…it’s premiere numbers weren’t very good…it will be getting a 1.5 in a week or two…”

    Chicago Fire’s premiere ratings were above NBC’s scripted average last week, and just below the overall season average.

    The cancellation bear does not try and guess what “it will be getting in a week or two”.

    If its ratings fall, so will its prognosis.

  • Dan S

    The bear without a doubt will feast on AP & UAN at some point. Maybe NBC wants to be the last network to announce any cancellations that are coming rather slow so far. I know Next Caller was NBC but it never made it to air so no 1 is crying over its demise. Revolution on the other hand will likely be the 1st scripted show to get a 2nd season renewal before too long.


    ANIMAL PRACTICE in his Beef Noodle! I say. That would make the bear happy.

    (Soop Gnat C)

  • Dan

    @Dan S – NBC would rather not announce cancellations if they could just burn their shows off. Their weak shows are obvious (Up All Night and Animal Practice) However pulling AP would mean Whitney could move to Wednesdays but Community would have no home. NBC wouldnt pull UAN because its a sophomore comedy that they would rather air all episodes of. So the best solution to not announce a cancellation is a Friday at 8 burn off for Animal Practice and Up All Night starting November so Community can return to Thursdays and Whitney can return to Wednesdays. I expect that announcement on Thursday after the most recent Animal Practice airs.

  • TVDude

    I agree with everything. Guys with Kids definitely isn’t the first show on NBC’s list to pull, but it might still be on that list if its ratings don’t stop declining. I think NBC is definitely interesting in pairing it with Whitney though. It’s a pretty low risk.

    Go On is no Modern Family, so I think NBC will keep other lower rated shows like Parks and TNN for next season. NBC might even give Community a farewell season next year if it don’t drop from last season. We’ll see.

  • Anthony

    Revolution on the other hand will likely be the 1st scripted show to get a 2nd season renewal before too long.

    First new scripted show to be renewed? Possibly (but not the first because Big Bang Theory is already renewed for next season) but don’t expect an announcement anytime soon. We are only 5 episodes into a 22 episode season. They will wait until much later in the season even though it is doing amazing (see Once Upon a Time last season).

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  • Oliver

    I’m glad you’re not hedging on Animal Practice (and, to a slightly lesser extent, Up All Night) anymore.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “I’m glad you’re not hedging on Animal Practice (and, to a slightly lesser extent, Up All Night) anymore.”

    Three weeks in and we’ve pretty much left the hedges behind. The Cancellation Bear is running wild!

  • Jason

    If anything happens to Animal Practice and Up All Night and they get cancelled, NBC should speed up the process of getting their game show Take It All onto their schedule since it’s probably waiting in the wings right now. They may have to increase its order of episodes in order to fill the gaps of shows that are cancelled.

  • Eric

    Not sure why Animal Practice is a certain, whereas Guys With Kids has three smiley faces? The numbers for GWK are barely higher than AP. AND AP has consistently beat GWK for actual number of viewers… I suppose you could add in the Fallon connection etc…

  • Wright

    Revolution and Grimm are great shows!!! I could care less about the rest though.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “The numbers for GWK are barely higher than AP. AND AP has consistently beat GWK for actual number of viewers”

    Au contraire, mon ami.

    GWK rating average is 20% above AP’s. Only in the land of crazy is that “barely higher”.

    And, only in the land of crazy does total viewership matter.

  • Ricky

    Let GWK fall hard. The sooner they bring in 1600 Penn the better. :D

    If you wanna play, come and play today, the Elimination Game, yeah… http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/10/09/play-the-elimination-game/152342/

  • Stephen

    If NBC wants to hang on to GWK then AP needs to get yanked or moved ASAP. UAN should not air in November so it should get bumped at least temporarily but NBC might just stick it out. If both 30 Rock and UAN end together after 13 episodes does NBC have another comedy at midseason to pair up with Community assuming Whitney is on Wed?

  • Curt

    GWK is actually pretty funny. Good to see a multi cam with good writing that isn’t relying on vagina jokes and lazy crass humor(i.e., 2BG). I don’t hate AP but don’t see it finding an audience if the office and parks can’t find big numbers. Whitney moving to weds. at 8pm would be a good fit.

  • Richard Steven Hack

    I agree Grimm should be OK.

    Revolution is still iffy. Shows with high ratings do crash. And Revolution is exactly the kind of show to which that situation frequently happens.

  • ILoveSitcoms

    Personally I like Guys With Kids much more than the dumb sitcom Animal Practice. However, that doesn’t stop me from seeing that Animal Practice’s numbers are lower most likely due to better sitcom competition from The Middle where as Guys With Kids faces off against ABC’s own dumb sitcom The Neighbors. I wouldn’t be surprised that if NBC swapped those two sitcoms, Animal Practice would unfortunately outperform Guys With Kids.

  • Jon

    I was a huge fan of up all night season one, but so far season 2 has been a major let down. Why they decided to have Christina and Will switch parenting roles I don’t know. If it wasn’t broke, don’t fix it. A major part of the charm of the show was the working mom and stay at home Dad. Also without Maya Rudolph’s tv show, her role in the show has become useless. How many episodes can we watch her opine about the good old days, and have no clue what to do with her life. She hit a new low when she had Will be her wing man at a backyard BBQ.

  • hopespringseternal

    Why isn’t GRIMM certain renewal? …Oh, let me guess, ’cause you’re not certain.

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