NBC: 'Guys With Kids' Is A "Toss Up" For Renewal Or Cancellation, But There's No Margin For More Declines

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October 16th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-October 14, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice :oops: (canceled 10/18) 0.65
Up All Night :oops: 0.67
30 Rock final season 0.69
Guys With Kids :| :| :| 0.79
Grimm (F) :) :) :) :) 0.82
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.89
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.92
Chicago Fire :) :) :) :) 0.97
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.00
The New Normal :) :) :) :) 1.01
The Office final season 1.09
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.38
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.75

10/18 Update: Animal Practice has been canceled.
Rookie sitcom Guys With Kids certain drew its share of predictions of doom from our commenters, but its first two weeks of ratings were at 80% and 89% of NBC's overall scripted average. Shows with those relative ratings would be renewed were the season to end today. It's third week rating was only 78% of NBC's scripted show average that week, right on the edge of the "toss up" range. Any more relative ratings declines and the show is more likely to be #bearchow than not.

Up All Night and Animal Practice are each certain to be canceled by the end of the season.

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  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

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  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “Why isn’t GRIMM certain renewal? “

    Ah, it probably should be. Will make it so next week.

  • Jared

    Up All Night should have never been renewed last season to begin with. I LOVE Christina Applegate but this show never caught on. She deserves better than this.

  • Justin

    I think they should renew the show. It can’t cost that much.

  • Spencer

    How is Grimm not a certain renewal? It has the most consistent ratings and draws a decent number in the demo, which is great on a Friday night on NBC.

  • Chris

    The sooner NBC realizes it needs shows that are more of the Cosby show and Fresh Prince route, the sooner they’ll have a legitimate block and pairing to go with Guys With Kids. GWK can go with Whitney for now, but the style of humor for both shows are not compatible at all. Yes they’re multi cams but that’s not what makes a sitcom block compatible. It helps but it needs to be the same style of humor as well. Whitney is more adult humor and Guys With Kids is your old school sitcom humor from years’ past. As of right now, it’s quite apparent that NBC didn’t have any long term plans for GWK but it’s also apparent that it performed better than half of their sitcom block on thursdays. If they invested into GWK, then they would have had at least one more sitcom to go with it that is completely compatible. NBC refuses to skew younger though which is why all they have is office comedies and no family sitcoms where they have plots centered on the kids or teens as well as the parents. Those days seem to be long gone for NBC which is why I prefer ABC more over NBC and CBS.

  • Dan

    @Everyone whining about Grimm – Grimm will be certain next week, its doing amazinf for NBC on Friday and if your pulling a 1.5 and winning every Friday, on NBC thats a renewal. Plus NBC doesnt have too many dramas

    The thing with Guys With Kids is that it builds on its Animal Practice lead in and does well against The Neighbors. I cant see NBC cancelling both AP and GWK but wince NBC has Whitney waiting, I could see NBC moving Whitney to Wed at 8 for a multi camera hour. GWK could get additional eps ordered and Whitney may get a full season. Expect an announcement like this after Wednesday. I would move Animal Practice and Up All Night, the two lowest rated comedies to Fridays at 8 so Community could premiere at 8:30 in place of Up All Night and NBC wont have tos ave it for midseason.

    This was AP and UAN can burn through their 13 ep orders by December and Community and Whitney have fair shots at getting full years.

  • Brian

    Go Grimm and Revolution :)

  • stefan

    My midseason guesses:
    8: Smash
    9: Apprentice
    10: Do No Harm

    8: Voice
    10: Revolution

    8: Voice
    9: Go On
    9:30: New Normal
    10: Parenthood

    8: Whitney
    8:30: 1600 Penn
    9: Law and order SVU
    10: Crossbones

    8: Community
    8:30: Save Me
    9: The Office
    9:30: Parks and Recreation
    10: Hannibal

    8: Infamous
    9: Grimm
    10: Dateline

  • Justin121

    Go On, New Normal, Whitney, Guys with Kids, Community, Parks.

    Those six are almost certain renewals for next year.

    I’m not sure NBC can continue with 3-4 comedy blocks with only 6 returning sitcoms, 2 of which are nearing the end of their useful lives.

    P.S. NBC Wedensday needs some serious, long term overhaul.

    Me thinks a multi-cam block with Whitney, Guys With Kids, 2 other multi-cams, and SVU, should be a good start to fixing Wednesday.

    Actually, a Whitney-Guys-SVU-Chicago Fire line-up wouldn’t have looked so bad. Then they could move SVU to Thursdays with the dying line-up and have a Must See TV on Wednesday.

    Speaking of the dying line up, what will replace The Office, 30 Rock, and Up All Night next year?

    Some are even speculating Community to be cancelled. Do they really think a 2-hour comedy block will only have a one 30-minute sitcom? I don’t think so.

    Just imagine the publicity NBC would get from a 6-seasons-&-a-movie campaign for Greendale / Community.

  • Ultima

    Go On, New Normal, Whitney, Guys with Kids, Community, Parks.

    Those six are almost certain renewals for next year.

    Whitney and Community are certain renewals without even airing an episode?

    Some are even speculating Community to be cancelled. Do they really think a 2-hour comedy block will only have a one 30-minute sitcom? I don’t think so.

    What does that even mean?

  • Lena

    Happy to see Parenthood with 5 smilies, even though it makes me little nervous. Parenthood finally got some traction so of course NBC decides it´s best to preempt it for two weeks. I´m afraid it will get back to 1.6 when it´s back.:(

  • State Property

    Why would NBC ever think to cancel Guys with Kids when it builds off of Animal Practice and just needs either Whitney or Off Their Rockers to give it a decent lead-in?

  • Dan

    @Justin – At Best Parks is safe (NBC will not cancel Community, 30 Rock, The Office, AND Parks) Did you mean for a full season? I could see NBC ordering more Whitney and Guys With Kids if both do well (In a Wednesday comedy block) and maybe Community just to give it some closure and more episodes for syndication. Capped at 13 episodes will be Animal Practice and Up All Night Definitely.

  • Dan

    @StateProperty – NBC probably wont ax Guys With Kids when Animal Practice will likely be let go first. I expect Whitney to premiere on either October 24, 31 or November 7 in place of Animal Practice. I expect possibly GWk to get a few more episodes.

  • Jon

    When does 1313 Mockingburd Lane Premier?

  • Jon

    @ State Property. In what world is Whitney a descent lead in? It was barely 50/50 to even get renewed for this season. I could see it following the path that UP ALL NIGHT has taken so far this season. While I do like Whitney as a comedian, let’s face it that show isn’t very good.

  • Dan

    @jon – Whitney would be a better lead in to Guys With kids than Animal Practice

  • Clarke

    I don’t really understand why everyone thinks Whitney would be compatible with GWK… that’s like putting Don’t Trust the B- with The Middle just because they’re both single cam comedies. Come to think of it, GWK doesn’t really fit with ANY of NBC’s shows… it feels more like an ABC sitcom…from the 90’s (which in my opinion is refreshing).

    GWK would actually have worked better on Friday night w/ Malibu Country/Last Man Standing if it were on ABC. But since it IS on NBC I don’t know what they’ll do with it.

  • Dan

    @Clarke – But GWK is on NBC and the best fit is Whitney even because they are both Multi. GWK doesnt go with AP or NBC’s thursday comedies, and with Whitney on Wed NBC may be able to gain more traction.

  • tv#1

    I think for the second half of the season NBC will pair Guys with Kids and Whitney together on Fridays. I think they will work best together on that night. Community will then takeover 30 Rock’s slot.

    Next season though NBC will or should do a complete revamp of their Thursday comedy schedule. I say drop everything. Cancel Parks and Rec, Community, and Up All Night. The new Michael J. Fox series can take over The Office’s time-slot. They could launch a new comedy following that. At 8 I say launch another new high-profile comedy and lead it out with The New Normal.

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