NBC: 'Guys With Kids' Is A "Toss Up" For Renewal Or Cancellation, But There's No Margin For More Declines

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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October 16th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-October 14, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice :oops: (canceled 10/18) 0.65
Up All Night :oops: 0.67
30 Rock final season 0.69
Guys With Kids :| :| :| 0.79
Grimm (F) :) :) :) :) 0.82
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.89
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.92
Chicago Fire :) :) :) :) 0.97
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.00
The New Normal :) :) :) :) 1.01
The Office final season 1.09
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.38
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.75

10/18 Update: Animal Practice has been canceled.
Rookie sitcom Guys With Kids certain drew its share of predictions of doom from our commenters, but its first two weeks of ratings were at 80% and 89% of NBC's overall scripted average. Shows with those relative ratings would be renewed were the season to end today. It's third week rating was only 78% of NBC's scripted show average that week, right on the edge of the "toss up" range. Any more relative ratings declines and the show is more likely to be #bearchow than not.

Up All Night and Animal Practice are each certain to be canceled by the end of the season.

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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

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  • Dan

    @TV#1 – I think Whitney should stay with GWK until January or February then if both shows do badly NBC can replace them with other comedies. Up All Night and ANimal Practice should move to Fridays at 8 ASAP to burn off there remaining episodes and then in January something else can air there. Community should air at 8:30 replacing Up All Night and a new show may likely replace 30 Rock in January. Or if NBC wants to move Go On and New Normal to Thursdays at 8 and 8:30 when 30 Rock ends, Community could move to Fridays at 8 with a new comedy.

    I expect an Animal Practice cancellation tomorrow or a move to Fridays. The best NBC can do to give Whitney and Community a chance is tomorrow,m Move Up All Night and Animal Practice to fridays beginning November 2, then premiere Community on November 1 or 8 in Up All Nights slot. UAN and AP will have finished their orders by December. Whitney can premiere on October 31 or November 7 at 8 Wednesdays paired with GWK. Therefore both Whitney and Community have a fair shot at getting a full season by returning to their former timeslots and not airing Fridays.

  • george

    Guys with Kids, worst show I ever watched

  • ToXiX

    I’d like to give a shout out to Robert & Bill

  • Ultima

    When does 1313 Mockingburd Lane Premier?

    The Mockingbird Lane pilot as a special next Friday (26 October). The buzz is that there’s little chance of NBC picking it up to series.

  • Ultima

    Next season though NBC will or should do a complete revamp of their Thursday comedy schedule. I say drop everything. Cancel Parks and Rec, Community, and Up All Night. The new Michael J. Fox series can take over The Office’s time-slot. They could launch a new comedy following that. At 8 I say launch another new high-profile comedy and lead it out with The New Normal.

    I think NBC will hang onto Parks & Recreation for another season. They should put it at 8pm so they don’t have to put a new show against The Big Bang Theory. The rest of NBC’s comedy lineup will consist entirely of freshman and sophomore shows.

  • Oliver

    I don’t get why people insist NBC should air sitcoms at 8 on Thurs. Accept it’s a death slot and put TBL or The Apprentice there. NBC can hope that CBS are forced to move TBBT to anchor Monday in 2014-15 once HIMYM ends so they can retake the night.

    I have no doubt Parks will return. Community and Whitney are both long-shots but shouldn’t be counted out.

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  • Dan

    @Ultima – You’re right that Parks will stick around, not just for syndication purposes but with 30 Rock and The Office in its final season, not to mention the likely final season of Community, Whitney, Up All Night NBC needs to save some comedy. I expect Go On, The New Normal, and Parks to definitely see 2013-2014. The reason I include New Normal despite its drop, NBC will save everything that performs OK and if NN is the third highest rated comedy, its safe.

  • quarter

    Well the monkey is gone and now Whitney is back in.

    Whitney will deliver GWK a second season.

  • thinking out loud

    I don’t get why NBC can keep shows like TNN. It’s numbers are pretty bad. Is it the production cost. I mean is it cheap to produce? Bill someone? Please explain.

  • tay

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  • Riff Rafferty

    I don’t understand. How could “Animal Practice” be cancelled? After they just brought in a YAY!GAY! showrunner? After they hired the fresh-off-numerous-hit- series Tyler Labine and JoAnna Garcia-Swisher to star in it? After they interrupted the closing credits of the Olympics to air it? And right after an episode aired with proven Nielsen magnet Annie Potts?

    Seriously, did you see those press photos they sent out? They had Dingblatt posing with the cast of the show. And by cast, I mean the monkey. This is how they wanted to promote their fall schedule. Hey, everybody, look at us! We’re the feces-throwing network now!

    Not so coincidentally, we printed out dozens of copies of that pic and passed them around the office just for laughs. Mine is now a dartboard.

  • IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States

    My own cancellation bear says Revolution is going to do the TerraNova polka. The show sucks balls in almost every possible way, and has succeeded in producing the most widely despised TV character since Wesley Crusher.

    I watched 5 eps. That was enough. That both JJ Abrahms and Jon Favreau dialed in on this stinker is nothing less than astounding. Apparently they spent enough time on the set to get their paychecks and moved on to their next project, because nothing of the talents either has shown in other projects is apparent in this wretchedly badly conceived, utterly badly written, and worthlessly executed DRECK… for more discussion of what’s wrong, go check out the show’s forum on IMDB.

  • Chrisanne

    How is Parks & Rec likely to be renewed, when it only gets a 1.6 rating with The Office helping as its lead in? I’d bet 30 Rock or Up All Night (both only slightly lower without strong lead ins) would do better than P&R’s abysmal ratings in that same time slot.

  • Bradleigh H Horton

    “V” was overrated, GRIMM is something. One writer spelled CHICAGO FIRE wrong, and that show’s NOT like the LAW & ORDER foundation. It’s up against the old highly watched dinosaur CSI. No show’s ever going to catch THE SIMPSONS. Not counting MEET THE PRESS or the newsmagazines, THE SIMPSONS have been on the air since the days of THE TRACY ULLMAN SHOW on FOX! GOOD LUCK, NBC!

  • user

    ok, guys, honest question. Do you think 30 Rock will stay in that 8 pm time slot? Which show would get better ratings (1.5-1.7) on Thursday at 8 pm?

  • Gary Aberman

    how can you think about cancelling guys with kids its such a good show with a new plot unlike every other show! i watch about 40 different series i think i can judge when a show is good or not. if you really want to save money and cancel a show look at community it is utter rubbish! Whitney November 14th :D

  • Mark

    GO ON may move into The Office slot for next season. I say that Chicago Fire may get a full 13 then get canned. If NBC could have seen into the future they should have kept Law and Order or Law and Order LA

  • Kirby Palm

    Ye gads, I watch almost NOTHING scripted on this network! Go On pleasantly surprises me each week considering I DON’T care for the star; the supporting cast carries the show. The black guy is the only reason to watch Guys With Kids, the rest of the cast could be replaced for all I care. I was still watching Animal Practice even though SWMBO positively hated that monkey, but it’s apparently gone. The rest of the shows on the list above I had already quit watching because they sucked. Chicago Fire — really? Blecchhh!

    It will be good if Whitney comes back. Liked that show.

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