CW: Why Do 'The Secret Circle' Fans Hate 'The Beauty & The Beast'? (Poll)

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November 13th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-November 11, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Nikita (F) :) :) :) :) 0.37
Emily Owens, M.D. :oops: 0.49
Gossip Girl final season 0.50
90210 :| :| :| 0.60
Hart Of Dixie :| :| :| 0.77
Beauty And The Beast :| :| :| 1.01
Supernatural :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.18
Arrow :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.60
Vampire Diaries :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.92

CW rookie The Beauty & The Beast is currently a "toss up" for renewal or cancellation. Its ratings are too close to sophomore Hart Of Dixie's for me to make a call between them at this point (particularly if you factor out the BATB premiere). I hope there's some separation later in the season that will clear things up, but based on recent CW history that may be wishful thinking.

What is very clear is that a cadre of vocal fans of the 2011-12 casualty The Secret Circle hate The Beauty & The Beast with the fire of a thousand suns.

While the reasons for each fan's hate may be different, that doesn't stop me from asking what our readers think. Vote as many times as your fingers will allow!

Emily Owens, M.D. is certain to be canceled.

How can Nikita with absolutely "look away" bad ratings be "likely to be renewed"? The pull of a fourth season for syndication purposes is one of the strongest forces in the TV universe. Read more about it here.

Because the folks at the CW seem to like short final seasons for their veteran shows, 90210 could be renewed for a 13 episode final season next year, even with its terrible ratings, that's why it's just a "toss up" for cancellation or renewal. They could certainly re-ealuate their penchant for short final seasons if schedule time next season gets tight though. Read more about it here.

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  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2012

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ex. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

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  • Jamie


    And did you really insinuate it’s also The CW’s fault that ABCFamily didn’t want it either? Ha

  • Mi

    “Also, after three failed attempts, the CW may be wiser to just give up on launching a show on the post-TVD slot. As many have suggested, TVD fans probably just go online after a new episode to discuss it; they don’t stick around to watch whatever comes on afterwards”

    TVD fans did stay to check TSC and B&tB, both shows opened with high demo in the CW’s standards, but they didn’t stay because the shows sucked, not because they go online or whatever.. What the CW should do is have a strong pilot after TVD and then.. see what happens.

  • Nikki

    Jamie i know why one tree hill ended never said it was the networks fault.. those were the good shows on that network and now that their gone i have no reason to watch it anymore. They have nothing im interested in. Why not be sure of what your talking about before you throw words like stupidity around cause your just making yourself look bad, by attacking me without knowing what your talking about. And also i never said it was anyones fault ABCFamily didnt pick up Secret Circle but the WB/CW stopped offering it up to be bought so it could of been their fault who knows. ABCFamily didnt pick it up in my opinion because they already have a hit network that buries the CW, and they have a lot less money to work with, it was probably to expensive for their network. Plus they didnt need it, they crush the CW every night.

  • Nikki

    also yes 90210 should of been cancelled because OTH was in its 9th year and was pulling better ratings. Better shows get better ratings.. and if 90210 could hold on to decent ratings in its 4th season how was it going to hold onto ratings in its 5th. Thats why OTH stayed around because the show was good, people watched it and the rartngs were proof. Even in its 9th season they were pulling 0.8s and 0.9s. Thats the point, and its not stupid by anymeans.

  • Nikki


  • SPM

    Jeez your levels of obnoxious reach new levels @ Bill Gorman

  • Jamie


    What I’m saying is… a show pulling good enough ratings in its fourth season, is better than an expensive show pulling the same ratings with a great lead-in.

    But just like SPM, you’re delusional so no need to waste my time from now on.

  • SPM

    Oh bore of Jamie

    Better to be delusional than a prick like you.

  • J-Boy

    Personally, I don’t like TB&TB because it is simply not a very good show! Yes, I do revel in CW’s low ratings in general. I see their low ratings as karma for being so quick to pull the plug on a show (TSC) that was, IMO, pretty good and had better than 0.8 average ratings for the season. I don’t know what went on behind the scenes; however, make no mistake, it WAS a bad business decision and wasn’t fair to the fans of TSC.

  • Heradite

    As a Secret Circle fan, I hate Beauty and the Beast because it’s legitimately a terrible show.

  • The Other Tony

    @Chris, in regard to your points:

    1. I never watched Everwood — did it have the numbers during the 2005-06 to warrant a renewal? I do think Ostroff’s last-minute decision to give 7th Heaven an 11th season (which obviously backfired on her) was a factor. Also, Veronica Mars made a lot of crummy changes in its third season that rubbed many fans the wrong way — so that, compared with the Sherman-Palladinos leaving Gilmore Girls, made Tuesday night underwhelming (I’ll never forget the dumb “Aerie Tuesdays” theme they used to *promote* GG/VM).

    2. Totally in agreement about Reba. The new CW treated Reba like its red-headed (literally!) stepchild. Reba could easily have gone two or three more seasons. In fact, I still feel that the CW should have built an entire comedy block (with Reba as its 9pm anchor) on Monday nights during the 2006-07 season — instead, they shunted it into a sleepy Sunday time slot (just like I’d suspected they would), and even despite THAT, as you pointed out, Reba managed to be their highest-performing comedy. Ostroff basically killed Reba because the show wasn’t “hip” enough for her. While I

    3. I’m a huge fan of Gilmore Girls. I will admit that the show lost something when its creators (the Sherman-Palladinos) left due to failure to renegotiate their contracts, although the new showrunner (David Rosenthal) did a pretty good job of continuing to emulate the show’s tone. The actual storylines in Season 7, however, left a lot to be desired. But I will say that, in my humble little opinion, Gilmore Girls did have a damn satisfying series finale. It just wasn’t the exact ending that Amy Sherman-Palladino had originally envisioned…but since she wasn’t allowed to participate anymore, and because they didn’t find out until the eleventh hour that Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel weren’t renewing their contracts, I think Rosenthal did an excellent job making it feel like an actual series finale.

    So yeah, it’s basically Ostroff’s fault that the CW is in the position it’s in right now. Why they allowed her to have control over at the CW for FIVE WHOLE YEARS is beyond me…I’ve always said she must have been blowing someone pretty high up in order to keep her job for that long…

    (unlike Nina Tassler, who, despite her lousy PR skills, as actually managed to keep CBS at the top during her tenure there)

  • iMember

    The CW has cancelled Emily Owens.

  • SPM

    I hope Flopika is next.

  • Bill Gorman

    @SPM, Not just crazy, but humorless too, eh?

  • SPM

    @ Bill Gorman

    Hit a nerve did I?

    Truth can indeed hurt!

  • Lane


    Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

  • herpderp

    Never mind SPM, natural selection will take it’s course.

  • SPM

    Yawn @ the how old are you bull

    I am a fully grown adult, thats all you need to know you bunch of idiots.

  • SPM

    @ Sam

    Nikita isn’t anywhere near the end of its third year yet so to call it a 3 year old show is a bit odd. Its a FLOP get over it. No one will watch it in syndication let alone now.

  • SPM

    lol @ one of CWs biggest sellers

    I am guessing you are vivanco3000 from imdb?

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