NBC: 'Guys With Kids' & 'Up All Night' Are Likely To Be Canceled, But Don't Expect Them To Be Pulled Early

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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November 13th, 2012

Click this link for the latest NBC renewal / cancellation information:

Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-November 11, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
30 Rock final season 0.66
Up All Night :cry: :cry: 0.70
Guys With Kids :cry: :cry: 0.78
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.90
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.91
Chicago Fire :| :| :| 0.96
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.97
Law & Order: SVU :) :) :) :) 0.97
The New Normal :) :) :) :) 1.03
The Office final season 1.14
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.41
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.74

The overriding theme of the Renew/Cancel Index posts this week is "Why are the ratings failures still on the air"? A bit more detail about that in the ABC post this week.

In NBC's case, while I'm predicting that both Up All Night and Guys With Kids are "likely canceled" I also expect both to air most or all their ordered episodes. That's 13 episodes for GwK and thirteen eleven plus a seemingly desperate addition of five multi-cam episodes for Up All Night.

At current ratings levels I'd guess that NBC makes no decision on Chicago Fire until the end of the season, where, highly dependent on spring ratings for all NBC dramas, it could still go either way. Read more about that here.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.

*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

  • Ashley Crawford

    Love Revolution, hoping it keeps doing well after the break.

  • Mike

    Yuck,hate all these lame NBC ‘Gen-X have kids’ sitcoms.

  • Davis

    ‘Guys With Kids’, ‘Whitney’ and ‘Go On’ (Matthew Perry only has the one character in his portfolio to pull out on set; the same Chandler-schtik) are actually shows I could do without…

    ‘Up All Night’ do have substance, great writing and the acting, but not the numbers (kinds reminds me of ‘Louie’ that way)… Sad, but nothing more to do then to realize that those are the rules.

  • KLWV

    Please don’t cancel Guys With Kids!!! It is the only new show I can actually WATCH WITH MY KIDS! Super-cute–WE LOVE IT! Market it as a family friendly show–I get tired of watching Disney Channel all the time.

  • martine

    What is that F next to Grimm? Its not the final season that I know of?

  • omabin


    No, it means that it’s on Fridays

  • randy

    There seems to be a struggle between cute funny traditional sitcoms and clever modern day comedies. Yes, Guys with Kids is reminiscent of the Cosby Show (possibly due to Tempest Bledsoe, which is an eye opener that time marches on to see her now in the Clair Huxtable role) this could after all be a Cosby spin off 20 years later as a grown up Vanessa if they wanted it to be. But the struggle is, do you want to enjoy a cute funny sitcom with the studio audience laughing to give you a second to catch the funny or do you want a clever comedy to watch that you can hardly keep up with because the next clever joke has already passed before you can fully absorb the last one. The truly clever modern comedies are hard to keep up with, i find myself rewinding to catch all the funny. These shows are 30 rock, Parks & Rec, the Office, Modern Family, the New Normal, Community, New Girl. There are also the modern comedies that are truly funny but don’t necessarily make you try to stop to figure out the yuks like Raising Hope and the Middle. Then there are the ones that are truly traditional sitcoms that doesn’t require brain cells to absorb the jokes, like Guys with Kids, Two and a Half Men, Big Bang Theory, Mike and Molly, Malibu Country. The modern comedy that should be a traditional sitcom is Happy Endings. It would be the new Friends and would be hilarious as live in front of a studio audience. The B in Apt 23 would also be hilarious minus the B. The ones that suck are Whitney and Last Man Standing and even 2 Broke Girls cuz they are copies of the same sitcoms that were good only in their time. Hello Home Improvement and Laverne & Shirley. Whitney has no excuse. Heck, even the animated Simpsons and Family Guy usually makes you think to figure out the jokes. With the upcoming news that Up All Night will change formats from modern comedy to traditional sitcom, the Office and 30 Rock ending, I can only believe that yes we need TV comedy dumbed down for the rest of us. I do remember 10 years ago that Malcolm in the Middle and Arrested Development were the few modern comedies during the heyday of traditional sitcoms such as Friends and That 70s Show. All of them were funny. Maybe funny is all that matters.

  • The Other Tony

    I find it laughably ironic that people here are complaining how Whitney is an “incompatible” lead-in for GWK…

    Um, Animal Practice, anyone?

    What birdbrain at NBC ever thought that AP/GWK (on Wednesday) and Whitney/Community (on Friday) would, in any universe, be compatible pairs???

    At least NBC wised up and paired Whitney with GWK (although the two aren’t perfect complements to one another, Whitney at least has more crossover potential than AP did)…while holding Community for midseason.

    And AP’s quality (or lack thereof) notwithstanding, Animal Practice would have at least had some potential for crossover appeal with some of Community’s audience; slotted alongside GWK, it had none! Similarly, although Whitney and GWK aren’t the most ideal matches, Whitney’s audience (young, urban, single people) may at least consider sticking around to watch GWK (especially if a portion of Whitney’s viewers are considering raising kids of their own someday).

    It’s just rather pathetic that it took the performance-based cancellation of Animal Practice for NBC to see the light…

  • JH

    Listen up NBC. You know why CBS comedies do so well, because they are filmed in front of a live audience.I just started watching GWK, after having found it “on demand”. It’s a relatable family show. You need to give these things time. I agree with others, it shouldn’t follow “whitney”. “Whitney” is more edgy and has a different audience than GWK, so it should be on later. GWk should be in the 8PM time slot

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