NBC: 'Whitney' Won't Save 'Guys With Kids,' It'll Be Lucky To Save Itself

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November 20th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-November 18, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
30 Rock final season 0.67
Up All Night :cry: :cry: 0.71
Whitney :| :| :| 0.76
Guys With Kids :cry: :cry: 0.77
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.91
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.92
Chicago Fire :| :| :| 0.96
Law & Order: SVU :) :) :) :) 0.97
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.99
The New Normal :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.03
The Office final season 1.15
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.39
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.72

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Before Whitney premiered, there were a surprising number of our commenters counting on it to "save" Guys With Kids by boosting its ratings. That always seemed to be a bit of hopeful thinking, and after just a 1.4 premiere rating for Whitney, and no improvement for Guys With Kids, that hope should be laid to rest (among the sane). In fact, that premiere rating lands Whitney at the low end of the "toss up" range. The only question now is whether the show can save itself.

With the ratings for Chicago Fire and Law & Order:SVU converging, their prognosis may have to converge too. I'm currently giving SVU a more hopeful future because its a veteran show, that's already syndicated on USA, but it's also expensive, and airs at 9pm where there are more viewers watching TV. I may have to make both "toss ups" next week.

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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

Notes:

  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

 
  • Dan

    SVU, Parenthood and Grimm are all safe for next season.

    Revolution could become the next Event or Flashforward but we wont know that until it returns in March.

    Whitney will probably get a full 22 episode season but thats probably only to save face for Wednesdays and to have something to pair with the new 5 Up All Night episodes. By the time Guys With Kids finishes its 17 episode order, assuming Whitney gets a full season it will still have a few more episodes left, my guess is by April Up Ail Night will take the Wednesday at 8:30 slot.

    Save Me will likely replace 1600 Penn by April because that show will likely finish its order up by late March/early April if it has 13 episodes and Save me has 6-8.

  • Dan

    Also with The Office and 30 Rock in their final seasons along with COmmunity, Up All Night and probably Whitney dead by May, NBC will save Parks and Recreation along with The New Normal and Go On. Most say its probably too early to tell NN’s fate but with every other comedy doing worse, it probably has a good shot to return for season 2.

    My guess for Fall 2012 all 3 can move to Thursdays to look like this

    8:00 Parks and Recreation
    8:30 The New Normal
    9:00 Go On
    9:30 New Comedy

  • Dante

    NBC is having a great Fall season so far but I don’t think that trend will continue come Spring. Whitney was “supposed” to beef up Wednesday nights ratings and clearly that is not going to happen considering its premiere numbers and the fact that most series generally drop in ratings in episode 2. Whitney is a series that really shouldn’t have gotten a second season to begin with. What makes NBC think that turning Up All Night into a muticam series will do anything to add new viewers??..i don’t get it.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “Revolution could become the next Event or Flashforward but we wont know that until it returns in March.”

    Next week I will post a graph with side by side Revolution vs. Flash Forward Fall ratings, until last night they were eerily similar.

    That doesn’t *predict* what will happen in the Spring, but it should worry fans at least a bit.

  • Bob

    So there is no hope for Guys with Kids? Why can’t they move it to a more desired location just to see if maybe it is the day that is bad for the show. I am so sick and tired of NBC cancelling the shows I watch on the network. They cancelled Harry’s Law last year and now possibly cancelling Guys with Kids….you don’t see CBS cancelling the shows I watch do you? Nope….NCIS, NCIS LA, The Good Wife, Person of Interest, Blue Bloods, Mike and Molly, How I met your Mother, Big Bang Theory, and many more. ABC I watch Revenge (on demand) and Shark Tank (on demand). NBC I watch Guys with Kids and that is it. It is no wonder the network is failing!

  • TVDude

    Unlike Flashforward, Revolution is on NBC. I think despite the drops, it’ll come back. Smash did and fell a lot worse than Revolution (below a 2.0). I don’t see that happening this fall, maybe in the spring, but that’s a big maybe.

    Plus, even if it does fall below a 2.0, remember, Smash got renewed with low numbers. Plus it’s ratings average is bound to be better. The truth is, this show is the best NBC really has to offer.

  • Michael

    Chicago Fire has become a HIT for NBC….move that to the “More likely to be renewed” right away :)

    GWK, UAN…CANCELLED! Gone! Good Riddence!

    Rest of the shows look good, although Fair Warning to Whitney to do better, or else that Friday 8PM “Death Slot” might be its only hope :/

  • Oliver

    Save Me has a 13 episode order. I think NBC will either put it at 8:30 on Wed or burn it off. It’s ridiculous that NBC ordered the show to series, purely down to cronyism by Greenblatt.

    The finale of FlashForward got 1.3 in May 2010. That would be cancellation territory even for NBC in 2013.

    @Bob
    NBC doesn’t really have any good, compatible timeslots to move it to.

    One option that NBC may be considering is pulling it from the schedule after its 12th episode and relaunching it with multicam Up All Night later in the season.

  • Nick

    NBC 2013-2014 schedule:

    Mon-
    8: The Voice/ The Biggest Loser
    10: The Eleventh Commandment (new)

    Tue-
    8: The Voice
    9: Untitled Cee Lo Green Project (new)
    9:30: Go On
    10: Untitled Cuaron & Friedman Project (new)

    Wed-
    8: Parenthood
    9: Revolution
    10: Family Affair (new)

    Thu-
    8: Untitled Michael J. Fox project (new)
    8:30: Untitled Peter Murrieta Project (new)
    9: 1600 Penn
    9:30: The New Normal
    10: Law & Order: SVU (final season)

    Fri-
    8: Parks & Recreation
    8:30: Whitney
    9: Grimm
    10: Hench (new)

    Sat-
    8: Untitled MJF project (R)
    8:30: Untitled Cee Lo Green Project (R)
    9: Dateline NBC
    10: Law & Order: SVU (R)

    Sun- (midseason)
    7: Dateline NBC
    8: Howie Mandel’s Take it All/ The Biggest Loser
    9: The Celebrity Apprentice

  • Duncey

    NBC seems to want to make a 2 hour comedy block next season full of multi-cams which is why their testing out Up All Night to be next to Guys with Kids next season.

    Whitney is only a couple of seasons away from syndication and since they own the show they’ll make money off of it. If NBC was going to cancel Whitney they would’ve done it last season.

    I bet you Whitney and GWK will be back next season!

  • Duncey

    @ Bob

    I’m starting to wonder myself about Wednesdays for comedies as I think that might be a bigger problem than they expect for GWK and Whitney. Too much competition on that night.

    @ Michael

    Chicago Fire is a sure fire renewal its a bigger hit than Revolution and it never has The Voice lead-in every week and its a show that took the spotlight away from Nashville.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “Unlike Flashforward, Revolution is on NBC. I think despite the drops, it’ll come back. Smash did and fell a lot worse than Revolution (below a 2.0). I don’t see that happening this fall, maybe in the spring, but that’s a big maybe.

    Plus, even if it does fall below a 2.0, remember, Smash got renewed with low numbers. Plus it’s ratings average is bound to be better. The truth is, this show is the best NBC really has to offer.”

    You’re correct that ABC’s average ratings level during 2009-10 was much higher than NBC’s this season, and that when it went on hiatus Flash Forward was already below the ABC scripted show average on a weekly basis (when Revolution certainly isn’t below NBC’s, it’s still the highest rated NBC scripted show).

    However, until last night, Revolution ratings had fallen every week but one, and until it stops (maybe last night was the stop), there’s certainly some cause for worry.

  • Mitchell

    Just renew Grimm already :)

  • Wright

    As long as Grimm and Revolution are safe that’s all I care about.

  • Kapernick > Smith

    I also believe that GWK and Whitney are safe, its more than just about the numbers for these shows. NBC is patiently trying to grow them.

  • Dan S

    The numbers that Whitney & GWK are getting aren’t much better than what Harry’s Law got last year. I seriously doubt those shows will be around after the new year with so many other shows waiting to get on the schedule. I read where Hannibal won’t get scheduled until late spring or possibly Summer. Sounds like NBC doesn’t have a lot of faith in this show.

  • Oliver

    @Duncey

    I’m starting to wonder myself about Wednesdays for comedies as I think that might be a bigger problem than they expect for GWK and Whitney. Too much competition on that night.

    Seriously? The competition is X Factor (pretty much a flop), Survivor (aging and fading), The Middle (a minor hit) and The Neighbors (flop).

    NBC has very limited good timeslots, and Wednesday 8pm is one of their better ones for a comedy (given the lack of TBBT/MF competition). NBC isn’t going to give Whitney a post-Voice slot or the Thursday 9pm anchor.

  • Just Desserts

    Guys with Kids is getting The Mob Doctor treatment but it is still definitely canceled.

    Clearly NBC wants to keep Whitney and Up and they’re doing everything to keep them on schedule but those shows are still gone by the end of the season.

    I don’t get the love for The New Normal? It barely gets decent ratings and once the three comedies above get “officially” canceled, it’s next.

    Chicago Fire is gone next season. With so many new shows, NBC is probably going to cancel half of them.

  • VTJennygirl

    I wish Go On was a different night. I liked Whitney last season, but so far this season, with them being fake married, I think it’s ridiculous.

  • Oliver

    The only way Whitney/GWK/UAN get renewed is if the executives ignore their terrible ratings and buy into their own ‘reinventing the comedy brand’ crap.

    It’s stupid but wouldn’t totally surprise me.

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