NBC: 'Whitney' Won't Save 'Guys With Kids,' It'll Be Lucky To Save Itself

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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November 20th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-November 18, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
30 Rock final season 0.67
Up All Night :cry: :cry: 0.71
Whitney :| :| :| 0.76
Guys With Kids :cry: :cry: 0.77
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.91
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.92
Chicago Fire :| :| :| 0.96
Law & Order: SVU :) :) :) :) 0.97
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.99
The New Normal :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.03
The Office final season 1.15
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.39
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.72

Before Whitney premiered, there were a surprising number of our commenters counting on it to "save" Guys With Kids by boosting its ratings. That always seemed to be a bit of hopeful thinking, and after just a 1.4 premiere rating for Whitney, and no improvement for Guys With Kids, that hope should be laid to rest (among the sane). In fact, that premiere rating lands Whitney at the low end of the "toss up" range. The only question now is whether the show can save itself.

With the ratings for Chicago Fire and Law & Order:SVU converging, their prognosis may have to converge too. I'm currently giving SVU a more hopeful future because its a veteran show, that's already syndicated on USA, but it's also expensive, and airs at 9pm where there are more viewers watching TV. I may have to make both "toss ups" next week.

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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

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  • Nate

    I don’t see any scenarios where Whitney and GWK doesn’t comeback. Both shows are getting renewed regardless of their numbers.

  • Big Dick

    I like Whitney and hope it’s renewed, but not even a M.A.S.H lead-in could save Guys With Kids. It’s just a boring show.

  • Janice Arthur

    Without a big a** turn around in ratings (demo), I see NBC canceling Chicago Fire & Whitney. SVU will probably be renewed a 15th & final season (but I think SVU still has some life in it, a cable deal may fall in order to continue the series).

    I don’t see Guys With Kids & Up All Night getting a season 2, Revolution’s future is shaky with it’s slow decline (which I expected when the series started). Grimm is holding it’s own on Friday beating CSI: NY, taking it to the cleaners! I think Parks & Rec and Parenthood are shaky on the sly too. Parenthood has gone down, but it’s still in the green, for now.

    I predict NBC cancel: Chicago Fire, Whitney, Up All Night, Guys With Kids — if there is no big turn around.

    I predict NBC renewing: Revolution, Go On, SVU, New Normal, Parenthood, & Grimm

  • Janice Arthur

    But something else I feel that needs to be addressed. NBC’s urge to make Wednesday’s Dick Wolf night. I thought when Law & Order was moved off, something new would be in it’s place, I had no idea NBC would keep insisting to put SVU on Wednesday, or with Chicago Fire after it (a series I feel Dick Wolf has just ruined – he writes cop/lawyer dramas for a reason).

    I don’t see Chicago Fire getting season 2, but I feel SVU needs to uproot from Wednesday night. I think it would survive fine on Fridays at 10PM after Grimm (and do well up against Blue Bloods), it was there in it’s early seasons, but that was over 10 years ago. Dateline is a clunking bore on Fridays anyway.

    Warren Leight said in a Canadian interview that Dick Wolf and himself are looking into expanding the L&O franchise again. I’d love to see another L&O, but only if SVU is moved off Wednesday or done.

  • Pepper

    Everything with an index number below Grimm should be cancelled. SVU should get a fifteenth and final season (and if dreams really do come true, they will convince Chris to come back for it)

  • sofaspud

    I don’t get the love for “Chicago Fire”. I was a fan of “Third Watch” and enjoy the excellent, still-running “Southland” (which NBC foolishly killed), so I do tend to like this genre. But man, it’s like CF just gets dumber and dumber every week. The dialogue often makes me wince and the melodramatic actors cannot say a line without puffing out their (waxed) chests and furrowing their brows. Bleech. I watched every episode so far and came to the realization last week I just don’t care about any of it.

  • rob60990

    The fact that so many people thought Whitney would save NBC on Wednesdays is hilarious.

  • Eris

    Lousy show ,Bad actors and writers .

  • Rebecca

    I just saw that hulu plus has more episodes of Animal Practice (up through episode #9 so far, which is a Thanksgiving episode), so if anyone’s interested you can go check them out. I don’t miss the show but it was somewhat entertaining (and still is, with what remains on hulu). Not sure how many episodes they shot before they were cancelled.

    I’ll keep watching Grimm, Parks, Community, 30R, Office, Go On, GWK, and UAN as long as they last. And I’ll try 1600 Penn and catch up on RVN (I’m up through the train episode so far).

  • s0303

    nbc needs to lose 5 comedies…dump gwk, whitney, uan on top of the office and 30 rock ending…the comedies are what is bringing this networks numbers down more than anything else…only replace 3 of those comedies at the most with new ones…

  • Dan

    Out of Whitney GWK and UAN, Whitney has the best chance at renewal. GWK seems 1 and done after its order finishes up in March, Up All Nights multi cam relaunch seems destined to fail. If Whitney stayed at a 1.5-1.8 NBC could keep it. I think NBC is sticking to Multi.cam for Wednesday all.season so Save Me will probably replace 1600 Penn in March.

  • Logi

    “The fact that so many people thought Whitney would save NBC on Wednesdays is hilarious.”

    It still can the show is still young and growing.

  • jimbo

    You guys should know GWK ha so much potential. Don’t judge it!;;;

  • yragcom1

    Although GWK is painful, I bet that having a anchor like Off Their Rockers could help it (at least a little, maybe enough to save it from the C-Bear). I can see everything that’s on NBC failing or surviving the way I expected it to, except for Up All Night. Why that show doesn’t take off is beyond me.

    Go On is great. One of the top 5 comedies on the air right now.

  • Oliver

    It’s not to my taste at all, but Whitney should have done at least a couple of tenths better than it did. I blame NBC’s obnoxious unfunny promos. NBC clearly don’t know how to market their shows, since 1600 Penn’s promos are almost as bad.

  • Justin121

    Big picture, people.


    NBC wants / needs building blocks. Broad-appealing buiding blocks.

    Whitney and Guys with Kids are exactly that.

    Just imagine all the empty slots on Wednesday and Thursday next season if Whitney, Guys, 30 Rock, Community, Up All Night, The Office, and Chicago Fire were cancelled.

    Additionally, NBC *is* going the cable route.

    Look at Parenthood the past couple of years, and now Smash, Revoultion, and even comedies like Whitney, 30 Rock, Community, and reality Biggest Loser.

    I’m sure NBC is looking at having some shows to time-share / air consecutively for 12-16 weeks a year, while other will be schedule staples with the regular 20-odd-episodes-over-35-weeks-with-on-off-schedule.

  • Randy

    The problem with these regular tv networks is that they aren’t looking at their cable counterparts as to what to put on tv. They almost completely ignore cartoons, family sitcom type of shows (I don’t think NBC has one like that.. Well, maybe they have baby one, but it’s not a normal family sitcom show.. Even abc has a “family” sitcom of Suburgatory, but that show is really out there!), storage wars or Pawn Stars are huge hits on cable, and more sports. EPSN has 3 networks for goodness sakes. Instead, they are set in their ways of how to do things, and I don’t think it’s working. What happened to good movie nights on these networks?

  • Randy

    Kids come home from school, and they can’t even watch cartoons (unless it’s Nickeledeon, Disney Channel, or Cartoon Network) because these stupid stations only have news, talk shows (like are you the father?), and court.

  • Justin121


    Up All Night, The Middle, Modern Family, The Neighbors, Guys with Kids, Raising Hope, Last Man Standing, Family Guy, The Simpsons…

  • jmahoney

    Even NBC admits they don’t think “Whitney” is funny with a new article. http://hollywoodandswine.com/nbc-orders-five-additional-scripts-of-whitney-prays-at-least-one-is-funny/

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