NBC: 'Whitney' Won't Save 'Guys With Kids,' It'll Be Lucky To Save Itself

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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November 20th, 2012

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013. (includes results from September 17-November 18, 2012):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
30 Rock final season 0.67
Up All Night :cry: :cry: 0.71
Whitney :| :| :| 0.76
Guys With Kids :cry: :cry: 0.77
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.91
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) 0.92
Chicago Fire :| :| :| 0.96
Law & Order: SVU :) :) :) :) 0.97
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.99
The New Normal :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.03
The Office final season 1.15
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.39
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.72

Before Whitney premiered, there were a surprising number of our commenters counting on it to "save" Guys With Kids by boosting its ratings. That always seemed to be a bit of hopeful thinking, and after just a 1.4 premiere rating for Whitney, and no improvement for Guys With Kids, that hope should be laid to rest (among the sane). In fact, that premiere rating lands Whitney at the low end of the "toss up" range. The only question now is whether the show can save itself.

With the ratings for Chicago Fire and Law & Order:SVU converging, their prognosis may have to converge too. I'm currently giving SVU a more hopeful future because its a veteran show, that's already syndicated on USA, but it's also expensive, and airs at 9pm where there are more viewers watching TV. I may have to make both "toss ups" next week.

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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

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  • Heywood Jablome

    I hope Guys with Kids is renewed. I LOVE this show. This is literally the only show I can stomach in this piece of crap network.

  • Ultima

    What happened to good movie nights on these networks?

    Cable movie channels, on demand streaming, $1 DVD rentals, etc. killed any value theatrical movies had to the networks.

    Improvements to the Nielsen system (which made sweeps less important) along with the networks moving past the high risk/high reward model of epic miniseries and TV movies changed the network programming model. It’s much safer to use special or extra episodes of established hits than roll the dice on big budget projects.

  • Ultima

    Instead, they are set in their ways of how to do things, and I don’t think it’s working. What happened to good movie nights on these networks?

    Also, this statement is just ridiculous.

    The networks are set in their ways; why did they change?


  • Chris

    @Randy I’ve been saying the exact same thing. Why can’t they go back to cartoons on the networks? They’ll never get back viewers because they concede to defeat. “Oh, cable has movies. Can’t show them anymore. Oh, cable shows the cartoons. Can’t do that anymore.” Soon it’ll be “Oh, cable shows dramas. Can’t do that anymore.” It’s the dumbest way of thinking because some of cable’s shows are horrible quality in some genres compared to what the networks were doing years ago especially in the cartoon department.

  • a p garcia

    I haven’t figured out why Whitney Cummings has a a ratings HIT of 2BG while her own show remains Ratings challenged.

  • NE1

    Whitney is a decent show. I watched 5 minutes of guys with kids and couldn’t do it anymore.

  • VB

    NBC really needs to promote CF more. Have these people do the talk show circuit and tell the story of how fireman face real danger every day while struggling with their own demons and complications. It’s a smart, warm, powerful show with a lot to give that needs attention

  • POIFanatic

    The only shows I watch on NBC are Revolution and Go On. I hope they are both renewed and Revolution bucks the trend and becomes a huge hit after the hiatus.

  • Max

    Whitney won’t be cancelled. NBC has the love for it, just like it did during Cheers peak.

  • Jon

    @Max…..comparing Whitney to Cheers is like comparing a ford pinto with a ford Mustang. TV landscape was much different back then, and networks could believe in a show’s potential for an audience, and it was easier to grow that potential when your really only competing with two other networks, unlike the 100’s that exist today. Trust me, if Whitney’s numbers don’t improve fast, the show is a goner, and it might be gone before we turn the calendar to 2013

  • Jon

    @ Chris…..I miss the old network’s movie of the week timeslots. Sometimes you have to wonder if it would make more sense for each network to return one of their two hour blocks each week and dedicate itself to it. It can’t do any worse than some of these shows that are dragging it’s knuckles, and with less time to fill with tv shows, maybe it will help ensure only the best ones get piloted.

  • Jon

    @ a p garcia……maybe it’s because Whitney isn’t that good of a show, maybe that’s the answer to that riddle. The show had flashes here and there in the first season, but by the end of season one, it was like is this over yet. And now the beginning of season 2 is just death warmed over televison. The laughs just aren’t there, and you can’t even force them too.

  • Ultima

    Oh, cable has movies. Can’t show them anymore.

    They can show them, they just won’t make money doing so.

  • Oliver

    @a p garcia

    That’s presumably what NBC thought when they ordered Whitney after losing the bidding war to 2BG.

    I don’t like either, but it’s easy to see why one is a bomb and one is a hit: original premise, appealing actors, appealing characters, broader demographic appeal.

    In addition, Cummings has lots of involvement with writing Whitney and little involvement with 2BG.


    NBC loves Whitney so much they gave it a 13 episode order and originally scheduled it on Friday.

    That said, I do think NBC’s execs like the show.

    I suapect this is because programming head Jennifer Salke and comedy exec Tal Rabinowitz developed it, they are young women which is pretty much the only demographic the show appeals to, plus it fits with their oft-stated desire to ‘broaden’ their comedies.

    I don’t think they like it enough to look past the ratings, though.

  • Dave

    Whitney is trash and it’s amazing it warranted a full season much less a renewal. Guys With Kids is an amusing show with a good cast but it does not belong where it is on the schedule, not to mention NBC has lacked promotion on the series from the start. Still wondering if Jimmy Fallon has any pull with keeping GWK on the air – I hope so!

  • Rebecca

    I agree with Randy…it’s too bad there aren’t cartoons on regular networks any more (at least not on weekday afternoons, when it’s all court shows, Dr. Phil, etc.). My kiddo can watch “Ellen” with me on NBC at 3 pm and that’s about it, since we don’t have Disney, Nick, Cartoon Network, etc. (no cable channels – she can see some morning cartoons on PBS sometimes). But that’s why we have DVDs of the good cartoons we like (Looney Toons, Phineas & Ferb, the old Disney shorts, kid-friendly movies)…and some cartoons stream on Netflix (and now Hulu Plus has a kid show format available I haven’t checked out yet), like My Little Pony, Oscar’s Oasis, Phineas & Ferb, and some other gems we’ve found there. But make no mistake: The Simpsons and Family Guy (the only two animation domination shows I’ve really seen besides Bob’s Burgers, a new favorite of mine) aren’t for little kids, at least maybe not under age 9 or 10. Same probably goes for American Dad and Cleveland Show.

    Whitney is my “catch up when I have time” show along with Revolution, and so far this season it’s not great. I thought it should have ended with the season one finale. It has some funny moments here and there, but IMO the only funny characters are Whitney’s bf and the redhead friend (but quit with the “my fiance turned out to be gay” jokes). On the whole it’s just so-so. But I love GWK….many don’t like the antagonist ex-wife Sheila character, but they’re all supposed to hate her while accepting her – it works, even though she’s annoying (I liked the same actress in Worst Week…she is just playing her part well here). The show can continue to grow creatively, and the Anthony Anderson/Tempest Bledsoe family is great (someone on TVG’s website said the show should just be all about them)…the guy from Friends With Benefits is funny, too – and Meadow Soprano as his wife is likeable. That show makes me laugh a lot, whereas Whitney doesn’t…at least not as much. There’s no way I’d ever skip watching The Middle live for an episode of Whitney.

  • rob60990

    Comparing Whitney to Cheers? Hahahahahahahaha

  • Amit

    Nooo!!! They can’t cancel guys with kids, the show has really grown on me and the characters are so likable. This is NBC’s version of modern family

  • Eddy

    I feel like Whitney might’ve either premiered too late or too early. I think its a combination of both. Whitney should’ve either started in late September or right before the Holidays when the other networks are airing reruns or specials.

    Either way it goes there’s an opportunity coming up for Whitney and Guys with Kids to steal some viewers away from The Middle and Survivor when they go on hiatus.

    That’s going to have to be the primary focus for Whitney and Guys with Kids is to find new viewers anywhere they can. Both shows are capable of having massive audiences but their going to need to start picking up viewers from the other networks. There’s a few weeks left before Idol starts back so that’s when Whitney and GWK are going to have to start their work of growing.

    If I was NBC at this point I would air both comedies every week except the night after Christmas. Have them comeback on Jan. 2 where the other networks are still in repeat mode until Jan. 16 when Idol returns so that’s about 5 episodes right there starting next Wednesday to picking up new viewers.

  • Martine

    Ok, Come on and get renewed, Grimm.

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