Cable News Ratings for Thursday, December 20, 2012

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1. cathy

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:00 AM

   To everyone: My givers and takers comment had nothing to do with the comments or statement about who pays taxes. It’s a statement about what I see from people all people. More people have become takers be they rich, middle class or poor. Greed is everywhere. And the first question you hear is “what’s in it be me?” at all levels.

   @Doug, I live in Detroit Area. I’m surround by autos. UAW members ‘sale out’ the new hires every contract. What do I mean, the contracts let the current workers get their pay increase but the new starting hourly pay goes down. So, of course auto workers are making less. However the average UAW member makes $29 an hour, that’s $60,000 a year to perform a work which requires no special training. This is part of the takers, I was talking about.

   Why are CEO’s salaries so high? One reason is with the 401Ks and IRA companies are owned by a large number of people. A companies board is voted on by the stockholders. The average person does not send in their vote. Stockholders are less active then 30 years ago.

   On our economies decline, there are three ways to increase wealth, mine it (natural resources), grow it (farming) and manufacture it (make products). You point only to cheaper labor in third world and cheap shipping as the cause of our decline. However, the price of oil have increased in the last four years, this would have made shipping prices increase and caused a rebound. (Haven’t seen it.) I believe you have fallen for the best piece of propaganda our government has feed us. Our government has us focused only on labor costs. Tell us it all about greed of CEOs.
   Have you forgotten that, Brazil, U.S., Russian and China have the most natural resources. We have a lot of natural resources. What is stopping us from mining them? Could it have anything to do with government regulations. We do need rules but have we given to far?
   The U.S. has the second largest farm land. Why aren’t we farming more and exporting it? (Is it because we haven’t adjusted to the cheap shipping price and shipped more international.) Is there something we are do here?
   Manufacturing. Is it truly just labor? Could it be taxes? Could it be regulations?

2. cathy

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM

   USA8888, post links to support your facts. Stop lying.

3. usa8888

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:39 AM

   The key ingredient to growth is INNOVATION. That’s what brought us radio, TV (and all its advances), McConald’s, etc. We do that better in the US than anywhere else, thanks to education and creativity. If we stop doing this, we are done. Probably the most important innovation we have seen in US history was broght to us by Bill Gates–Windows. It’s a good thing we have unselfish people like Gates who have helped improve the lot of others, which has helped the US and the world to improve. Too bad every millionaire and billionaire doesn’t think like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet…….

4. cathy

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:52 AM

   I believe you blame the person for the violence. But then you can ask why was the person so violent. Of course what we are exposed to impacts what we become. What’s why it’s a parents responsibility to control what they allow their children to be exposed too.

   I don’t want my government to be BIG BROTHER.

   Here is a question that I know is asked many times. How can liberals say they are for personal rights and freedoms but be against gun ownership, schools of choice and the freedom to join a union or not join a union?

5. BevAG

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:53 AM

   @usa: Bev–you argue the absurd, like Wayne. All countries which have gun restrictions have VERY low incidence of gun crimes. Only the right wingers–way out ringht wingers–agree with you , Bev…………

   usa, it’s not only the right wingers. The Democrats also can’t get the votes for restrictions because many Democrats are part of NRA and many Democrat districts are very much against gun control. the Democrats can’t get enough support for gun control, and they know it. That’s why they always put up lame bills for gun control that are meaningless.

   Everyone knows that except for people like you usa with your head in the sand.

6. BevAG

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:56 AM

   @cathy, Here is a question that I know is asked many times. How can liberals say they are for personal rights and freedoms but be against gun ownership, schools of choice and the freedom to join a union or not join a union?

   ___________________________________________

   Excellent question!!

7. Mark2

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 10:58 AM

   The NRA has helped in creating a Gun Culture and an addiction that is becoming worse than Crack.

   With more than 300 million Guns on the streets, it has become a country of habitual buyers and users of this product.

   This has led to an epidemic of Gun Violence in America.

   The NRA is the Enabler, the Gun Manufacturers are the Suppliers, and the Gun Dealers are just that…Dealers…just like Drug Dealers.

   It’s time to curtail this epidemic once and for all and pass some common sense laws.

8. Mark2

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:03 AM

   There’s actually over 132,000 schools.

   -We currently have about 10,000 schools with a security guard or police officer.

   -We would need an extra 122,000 officers to meet the NRA’s goal.

   -122,000 x $50,000 a year for each officer = $6.1 Billion

   -I hope the NRA and ‘Pepe Le Pew’ start raising a lot more money, cause the Republicans will never approve more Govt Spending, lol.

9. Mark2

   Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM

   @Cathy “Here is a question that I know is asked many times. How can liberals say they are for personal rights and freedoms but be against gun ownership…”

   The vast majority of Liberals are NOT against Gunn ownership. Millions of Liberals own Guns…I even own one myself. We don’t want to take your Guns away or prevent you from owning a gun to protect yourself, your home, and your family.

   -What we Responsible Gun Owners want to do is prevent people from amassing arsenals…like that nutjob in Indiana who was just caught in Indiana with 47 weapons after threatening to kill more children.

   /-What we want to get rid of is Assault Weapons and High-Capacity magazines like the shooter used in Newtown. And yes, once that weapon was outfitted with a 30-round magazine, it is considered an assault weapon.

   -What we want is to get illegal guns off of the streets, especially in the inner cities.

   -What we want is to make it mandatory for people to go through thorough, and I mean thorough background checks before being able to buy a rifle or a handgun…especially at Gun Shows.

   -I, personally, want to take that one step further and require a mental evaluation to be conducted prior to being able to purchase a gun…it only makes sense.

   -It’s time for ALL of us to use a little common sense on how we go about being a Nation of Responsible Citizens, Parents, and Gun Owners.

10. Mark2

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    ^…Gun ownership

11. usa8888

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    The NRA is on the verge of collapse–the majority of its 4M members favor tighter gun regulations. Wayne’s position is indefensible, not to mention ridiculous and non-workable. It’s a good thing that cigarette’s are being essentially banned by high taxes and regulations–this keeps people from smoking, killing themselves, and using tax payers’ money to pay for their treatment as they die. Banning assault weapons, bullets, and magazines is for the sommon good. Gun enthusiasts can’t use hand granades or nuclear weapons just to see the explosions, though some NRA memeber would like these, too. The NRA is an anachronism whose time has passed. AND, it has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment……….

12. cathy

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Usa8888, I agree that INNOVATION is an answer. And Bill Gates is a very giving person. But you are so wrong about Windows importance in U.S. history and giving Bill Gates the credit. (And I make my living in the IT field.) With Innovation I have to go:
    1) The stream engine. The railroad is the most important.
    2) The assembly line.
    3) The computer – then the personal computer, then GUI.
    The people who developed the Xerox Alto should get all the credit for the innovation. They created GUI which is what both Apple and Microsoft are built on. Sadly for the developer of Alto, someone in management at Xerox, who didn’t understand what they had gave the Alto code to both Gates and Jobs. You should watch “Pirates of Silicon Valley” I wouldn’t call it 100% factual be it good.

    Warren Buffet is the biggest tax avoidance person in this country. His close relationships with politicians is used to increase his wealth.

13. usa8888

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Two lunatics of the right, Norquist and La Pierre, will team up and try to get support for right wing billionaires (Koch bros and Adelson) to further their absurd rantings…………….

14. cathy

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Mark2, Everything you said about guns is wrong. There are 300 million legally owned guns in the U.S. We have no idea how many guns are on the streets because guns on the street are not legally owned.
    There are a large number of illegally manufactured guns on the streets of the U.S.

15. usa8888

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Cathy-there is NO need for people to have assault weapons, large magazines, and fragmenting bullets as far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned. For the common good, these weapons should be BANNED for citizens. Wayne said, “Call me crazy.” Ok, Wayne, you’re crazy…..

16. Hillbilly

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Those far left liberals are standing in the way of gun control.

    Source.

    It also demonstrated that, along with the current president, Democrats have failed to champion reforms after previous acts of mass violence. While Republicans held the line on gun control, Democrats largely ducked, ever since they ratified the assault-weapons ban in 1994 and saw their majority in Congress disappear.

17. usa8888

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Hillbilly, you are smoking again……….

18. Hillbilly

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    So where’s his $2.5 trillion in cuts? Tax increases take effect immediately, the cuts in spending? Full effect in 2022. I’ll bet you anything future congress’ won’t enact the cuts.

    The house R’s are tired of playing the game. They want cuts now. All the cuts that was part of raising the debt limit, how many were enacted? Very few if any. National polls are worthless in this debate. You have to go district by district to see if a congress person is voting against his people’s wishes.

    Obama is proposing $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 dollar the government would raise in revenue by raising taxes on high income-earners and from eliminating corporate tax breaks.

    Source.

    Discretionary spending, annual government outlays approved by Congress on everything from health research and pollution control to education and child care, is slated to decline from 8.7 percent of GDP in 2011 to 5 percent in 2022. As part of these cuts backs, the defense budget would decrease $487 billion.

    For all the blabbering about the house R’s blocking a deal…wheres the deal the D controlled senate passed? Oh that’s right they haven’t passed one. Just sitting in the corner crying about the houes R’s.

19. DB

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Bevag, I must disagree with you. USA8888′s head is not in the sand it is up his you know what. I am sorry but we must keep the record straight here.

20. Hillbilly

    Posted December 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    I have the same problem she does.

    After working as a dental assistant for ten years, Melissa Nelson Sara Bibel was fired for being too “irresistible” and a “threat” to her employer’s marriage.

    Source.

    C’ya