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1. Faith3

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM

   Doug,

   You forgot to mention the trend of making money from financial instruments and how the finalization of the market has shown “fake” wealth rather than real production.

2. Letmethink

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:13 PM

   @ Faith One thing the school was able to do, largely due to federal funds, was set into place programs designed to address these gaps early.
   What programs were those Faith? I taught for 30 years and saw all kinds of money thrown at these problems and all kinds of programs–none of which were successful in enough numbers to call them a success. Do you have some stats for the programs that you worked with that were successful?
   It is a sad and difficult problem—much of it familial –low IQ, drug problems with parents, no stability in the homes. I have also seen the quality of teachers drop over the years. These problems with never be solved with more money and programs until the parents accept the responsibility for the children they bring into the world.

3. 1966

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:20 PM

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwCJZi8IlcU&feature=player_detailpage

4. Doug Z

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM

   Faith Abe Lincoln had been self educated. He did well. Could it be the parents.I was way behind until 9th grade. It was my parents hard work that saved me , not the schools.

5. Letmethink

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM

   Faith–one program(?) that we did have that seemed to be successful (no stats taken) was community volunteers who came in to work with students individually. Many were retired teachers, business leaders etc. Sadly one parent sued because the volunteers were not credentialed teachers so the program was abandoned. It would cost the school district too much money to fight the suit so they caved.

6. Faith3

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:34 PM

   Letmethink,

   Yes, the programs were early intervention programs. The specific program in which many teachers and all specialist were trained. We used the Lindamood Bell program with small groups of kids with similiar deficits. Lindamood Bell does provide data on her programs if you are interested.

7. Bobbyv

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:38 PM

   In NJ we spent quite a bit on education. Not only are the schools saying there is not enough money, they are cutting things that we took for granted or need additional fundraisers to pay for. Where does all the money go?

8. Faith3

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:39 PM

   We had parent volunteers too. With that said, that does not replace those programs.

9. Faith3

   Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

   BobbyV,

   You can ask for an adit. Different schools have different funds and two of the biggest things that zap funds in our district is transportation and special education funds for outside placements.

10. Faith3

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    ^audit^

11. Faith3

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Also meant to say distribution/ allocation

12. Doug Z

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    The problem is the parents. Teachers can not do it today or any time without them. It is not money.With wages falling teachers are going to find that they are over paid compared to the new under class. They will go after your pay next, oh, it is already happening. Divide and separate.

13. Letmethink

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I want to mention one more thing about federal programs that I experienced during my 30 years. Two that were the most horribly expensive failures were open concept and integrated reading/writing. They did in services for each and sent teachers to training all over the states–some even went to Canada. It was so exciting all the videos and stats they showed us. For open concept, they spent millions and millions tearing down walls in the schools. The bright students did fine–the mid-range and slow students did worse than before. Ten years later, millions and millions were spent to put the walls back up. Just think of the number of students who were failed by our educations system during those 10 years. Same thing with integrated reading/writing. The bright students did beautifully with this approach. The others failed miserably. I remember one of our best teachers who was not happy about changing over. She said to the principal, “I have been successful for years, parents fight to have their children in my class. Why should I change when what I am doing is already successful.” She was forced to change. Less than 5 years later, integrated reading/writing was dropped.

14. Bobbyv

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Faith,

    I think people have been looking for ways to control costs for a while. The Education lobby is very powerful here so the talk about consolidating school districts seems to go nowhere. For a small state we have over 600 school districts. I know a number of teachers and many complain about the high administrator cost. This is one reason why you hear Christie and the teachers always fighting.

15. Faith3

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    We didn’t use the one method solves all approach. Only specific children were targeted with skill deficits. It worked beautifully to catch them up.

16. Doug Z

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Fire most of the Administrators. They are making $150,000 a year plus benefits.I have every persons pay from my paper, St Louis Post Dis. I have $80,0000 a year, plus benefits, grade school teachers here to.I can type in a name and know what they make. Why would a grade school teacher have a Dr degree

17. Doug Z

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    A starting teacher here makes $24,ooo a year, plus Benefits.

18. Faith3

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Yes BobbyV,

    High administration cost can be an issue and usually the larger the school district, the larger the administration budget.

19. Letmethink

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Yes, I am familiar with Lindamood Bell.It is a very old program. I believe we started using it in the late 70′s, early 80′s. I don’t believe you will find many who share your feeling about the program. We used it with special education students. We did not find that our success was the same as she presented. I saw that often when the “newest and best” came along. The stats to sell the program were not reproduced most of the time in studies that were done by people who did not have an investment in selling their programs.I am glad that it was successful in your schools.

20. Doug Z

    Posted January 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    What do we do about the parents is the big question.Teachers can not do it without them. My parents saved me. Every-nite we studied.