NBC: Was Last Week A Ratings Ray Of Hope For 'Whitney' & 'Guys With Kids'?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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January 8th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- January 6, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
Guys With Kids :cry: :cry: 0.87
Parenthood :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 0.87
Whitney :cry: :cry: 0.92
Law & Order: SVU :) :) :) :) 1.12
Chicago Fire :) :) :) :) 1.22
30 Rock final season pending
Up All Night :cry: :cry: pending
Parks & Recreation :) :) :) :) pending
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending
The New Normal :) :) :) :) pending
The Office final season pending
1600 Penn pending pending
Go On :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

It's a New Year and the cancellation bear is back!

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

It was only one night, and there was no other original broadcast competition (save Mobbed), but the 2013 return of Whitney and Guys With Kids was not as dreadfully rated as their Fall episodes were. Is that a sign of things to come, or just a bit of false hope for desperate fans? Impossible to know at this point, and for that reason I'm keeping their predictions at "likely to be canceled" for at least another week.

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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

  • Rebecca

    Rooting for Guys With Kids. I watch all the other NBC comedies along with Grimm and RVN, and I can accept whatever fates befall those shows (most seem safe) – GWK has grown on me and is funny. P&R is still my favorite.

  • Mickey

    I know it won’t last once the rest of the shows air, but it’s still nice to see Chicago Fire topping the list of shows that have aired so far. A 2.4 is good for NBC, hopefully it can stay up there once CSI starts airing new episodes. CF is getting better and better and I’m loving it more and more each week. After a slow start, maybe it’ll turn into a sleeper hit once more people clue in to how good it is.

    @Richard Steven Hack

    A ridiculous show. Any other show with this level of stupidity would be totally ridiculed by now. So what’s holding up the ratings except befuddlement on the part of the audience?”

    I love Revolution and I graduated from university top of my class. People aren’t stupid just because they like something you don’t.

  • james

    i dont understand why guys with kids is doing so bad. i find it more funny and entertaining than popular shows like big bang theory.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “I know it won’t last once the rest of the shows air, but it’s still nice to see Chicago Fire topping the list of shows that have aired so far.”

    Given that The Voice doesn’t return for 2.5 months, I don’t see any reason why Chicago Fire can’t stay at or near the top of the NBC ratings until then based on its most recent ratings.

    It got a 1.9 rating in its last 2012 episode. With no Revolution and no Voice boosting Go On and The New Normal, the only other scripted show that’s likely to be in that range is The Office (not counting any of the new premieres, who knows about them).

  • CCTV

    ^I think it will drop. With Patenthood having its most critically acclaimed season thus far and achieving decent ratings on NYE. I look for it to be at the top of the drama pack for a couple weeks

  • Mico

    Possible NBC 2013-2014


    8-10 The Voice
    10 Believe (new)

    8 The Voice
    9 Cee Lo Green (new)
    9:30 Go On
    10 Parenthood

    8 Chicago Fire
    9 SVU
    10 After Hours (new)

    8 The New Normal
    8:30 comedy (new)
    9 1600 Penn?
    9:30 Parks & Rec
    10 Revolution

    Dracula (new)

  • Dan

    Chigaco Fire has a good chance, Though it is against CSI and Nashville, CF regularly builds on SVU while CSI drops from Criminal Minds and Nashville drops from Suburgatory. Any show building off another show is success in NBC’s book, thats what got GWK a few more eps.

    GWK ran faster than Animal Practice and escaped the cancellation bear.

    If Chicago Fire runs faster than SVU and Revolution, than it will do fine.

  • Eddy Ryan

    @ james

    Guys with Kids is still a new show and its in a situation where it pretty much has to build itself up. It’ll take sometime but if NBC stays patient enough it can grow into a huge hit. It needs more exposure as well.

  • toadytoady

    SVU is in the same range as CF. They were neck and neck until last week when SVU got 2.2 and CF got 2.4. See if thats a one off or a trend.Other shows were in repeats so its not really indicative of much.Those ratings drop when other shows on other networks are not in repeats.Revolution is highest rated drama for NBC…..but they have more new dramas to come. Deception didnt do well for its opening.

  • Lamdog

    Can’t speak for Whitney, have not watched since the pilot, the show is that bad. Gave Guys with Kids numerous opportunities, especially as I am a fan of the majority of the cast. The show is not funny.

  • Ted Craig

    If GWK and Whitney can’t perform against I Get That a Lot and Stars in Danger, they’re done.

  • Craig

    please eliminate Guys With Kids. and 1600 Penn looks AWFUL…

  • Richard Steven Hack

    Actually I didn’t say people were stupid for watching Revolution. I said, “befuddled”, meaning they’re looking for the show to actually become something worth watching and haven’t seen it yet – but they keep hoping.

    It’s like Ringer, which dropped somewhat initially then leveled off until spring when it collapsed. Apparently a lot of people thought the show might improve enough to be worth watching – but it never did. The same with Revolution – this show isn’t going to get any better.

    The reality is there is literally and absolutely nothing about this show that justifies watching it. The acting of the older stars is only good in comparison with the bad acting of the younger stars. The writing is atrocious, the dialog is poor, the pace is slow both within episodes and the overall story arc, the directing is pathetic, the premise is stupid, and there is no discernible end game. Nothing about the show’s concept or execution is even remotely plausible. It’s a badly executed fantasy.

    I can only imagine that without the Hunger Games “vibe” this show would have collapsed by episode three. It’s nearly as bad as Charlie’s Angels.

  • Mico

    Well, GWK may have a chance if it can get a 1.6, which would be Go On this week.

  • Young

    @Ryan Schwartz

    I agree with you schedule, mostly where Grimm, SVU, and Parenthood are concerned I have some issues.

    Frankly, I feel SVU and Grimm make a great Friday night pair and could likely kick a** (in the demo) against CBS’s CSI: NY (which has a dim future as of the moment) and Blue Bloods (whose future is really no brighter, just CBS renewing enough for syndication, fans may be departing the series w/ Jennifer Esposito). But DATELINE as their lead-in, might no be such a good idea, Dateline is pretty much a dead series that get’s a pulse every now and again, unlike Rock Center w/ Brian Williams which has a pretty steady audience.

    And I feel Parenthood should uproot from Tuesday @ 10, I feel it could survive in what is currently Chicago Fire’s time slot; which I’d like to see it on Thursday actually. SVU could either go back to that slot (Tue @ 10) as well.

    NBC truly is a scheduling mess. Not enough “good” comedies weigh with the dramas sadly. I like all the dramas NBC has this season (Revolution, Deception, and awaiting Do No Harm) – so far. The comedies, not so much.

  • Adam

    NBC should give Guys With Kids a chance like It did to Whitney.
    Actually, Single cam sitcoms are less likely to succeed than Multi cam comedies.
    Stop hanging onto single cam!

    And Please produce Family sitcoms like The Middle, Modern Family.

    Not like Parks and Recreation, 1600Penn, 30Rocks.

  • Krystal

    I really love to read everyone of your posts. This is my first time on this site. I really was just searching the web to see if Guys With Kids was in jeopardy of being cancelled when I stummbled upon this webpage. You all have such awesome & detailed info on all of NBC’s shows & ratings…it’s incredible! I know I am sooo not a TV ratings expert like all of you, but I wanted to add something that I find frustrating. My issue doesn’t just concern NBC…it seems that all of the major networks do this for some strange reason. What bothers me is that I have a lot of my favorite shows that are being aired at the same time as all of my other favorite shows. It’s happening on NBC & other networks, including channels like FX, TBS, & even Showtime. It’s like they cram all the good & top rated shows into one or two nights, leaving me bored & w/really nothing to watch on TV for the rest of the week. I mean, for people like me who have TiVo, ya it helps, but still, I can’t watch/record every show that is on that night if there are 5 shows all between 8-9pm!! Take for example my Tuesday nights:
    NBC plays:
    Go On @ 8pm
    The New Normal @ 830pm
    But….channel 2 (our KWGN)……plays:
    Hart Of Dixie @ 8pm too!!
    Then there is a CONFLICT:
    Channel 7 (our KMGH)…..plays:
    Happy Endings @ 8pm too!!
    ….Then the CONFLICT just gets better….
    W/NBC playing The New Normal @ 8:30pm & ALL those other shows from 8-9pm, I have another 1 at:
    Channel 7 @ 830pm: Don’t Trust The B—- In Apt 23
    So…at the end of this time crunching & show flip-flopping drama, I am forced to drop 2 of these shows. Unfortunately, Tuesday nights are not the only nights that are like this. I wish that there was some way that all of the televisions networks could get their top rated shows on some kind of schedule that didn’t conflict w/one another. Oh I sure hope I don’t sound like a raving lunatic! This is just something that bugs me…so I thought I would share! Thanks for listening.

  • Adam

    I don’t think Guys with Kids will be canceled. 30Rock and the office are gone.
    1600penn will be definitely gone. So NBC should give other shows some time.
    They can’t cancel all the comedies in one season.

    And Guys with Kids has much wider viewers than TNN or Parks and Rec. So This show could be moved to Thursday night after the office is gone.

    Actually, NBC has seemed to put so much attention and love on Go on and TNN while Parenthood and Guys with Kids are neglected.

  • Charlie

    I am sure NBC will keep Whitney, GWK and also Go On and The New Normal. They move them around the schedule, but they will definitely keep them. NBC knows new shows aren’t always an immediate success, and I guess it’s cheaper to keep these than to order new ones and start the battle all over. Plus, they already have many projects for 2013 Fall, I don’t think they wanna spend more.

  • Dan

    Chicago Fire is doing great, it builds on ts lead in SVU and has no Voice lead in to prop it up. Not bad NBC. Maybe next season Chicago Fire would air in the Thursday 10 slot. Other candidates could be Grimm or Parenthood but I wouldnt air a new show there. Parenthood works because its a comedy-drama.

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