Cable News Ratings for Tuesday, January 8, 2013

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1. Doug Z

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM

   Matthew, you do not like it when it is cold and unreported, do you? I just want fair news.

2. Matthew

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM

   Welp, forget my pledge to not talk about this anymore, I guess.

   You’re missing the point – ‘it’s cold right now in Russia’ has no relevance to global climate trends. Even during the worst ice ages there were still seasons, and warm regions. It’s about what the GLOBAL (not just Russia, China, or the U.S. alone) trends are, and what the implications are for adaptation. Incremental increases in global warmth doesn’t mean the end of winter, or the end of snow.

   The more subtle and insidious effects are in relation to things like disease, food supply, and biodiversity. An increase in the global temperature of, say, 0.5 degrees Celsius may not seem significant, but the real implications is that it increases the viable environments of things such as mosquitos, while outright killing off less adaptable animals, and also shifting the areas that are suitable for agriculture.

   All of these things take years to impact your life, and they’re not so dramatic as, say, a winter with no snow, or an American city underwater, but all the same they’re real consequences.

3. RedBarSoup

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:27 PM

   Doug Z is one of the biggest trolls here, please don’t feed him.

4. Hillbilly

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

   Seems you keep forgetting this.

   with no statistically significant warming for 15 years now.

   It depends on the source as to what was the warmest year.

   The warmest year in the 160-year Met Office Hadley Centre global temperature record in 1998.

   The 10 year deal comes from “Trenberth”s missing heat.” The 15 years comes from Phil Jones. The 17 year deal from Boris.

   Yet in 2009, when the plateau was already becoming apparent and being discussed by scientists, he told a colleague in one of the Climategate emails: ‘Bottom line: the “no upward trend” has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.’

   But although that point has now been passed, he said that he hadn’t changed his mind about the models’ gloomy predictions: ‘I still think that the current decade which began in 2010 will be warmer by about 0.17 degrees than the previous one, which was warmer than the Nineties.’

   Only if that did not happen would he seriously begin to wonder whether something more profound might be happening. In other words, though five years ago he seemed to be saying that 15 years without warming would make him ‘worried’, that period has now become 20 years.

   Source.

   The GW scheme depends on models. If the models keep missing their mark how much confidence do you have in them? They missed/predicted 10 years of warming that didn’t happen & now have missed the most recent between 14-16 years depending on your source of relativity flat temps. By all means post your source that says the models predicted this lull.

   Now according to some 2010 was the warmest year ever. 2011 was the 7th. The difference (if memory serves me right was 0.22) Since we can post pretty graphs in the comments I’ll use numbers. Let’s say 2010 the global temp was 50.563. In 2011 it would be 50.343. Run for the hills we are going to melt.

   BTW the RSS numbers are out for December. So if you count them 2012 would be the 13th warmest. UAH the 9th warmest..you decide who’s numbers you want to use.

   Sorry for the long rambling post. Poor Matthew got his panties in a bunch AGAIN!

5. d.d.

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM

   @RedBarSoup
   Doug Z is one of the biggest trolls here, please don’t feed him.

   That’s not the case. There is more going on here than you know.

6. Doug Z

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:32 PM

   RedBarSoup

   Mr coffee keeps me in coffee and I eat rats. I am happy.

7. Hillbilly

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

   Matthew – especially in comparison to the bulk of peer-reviewed work (of which, over 97% aligns with AGW theory).

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   Source?

   Hell, give me ANY credentialed climate scientist whatsoever who is also a denialist. The denialist movement seems to mostly cling to people like Watts (a ‘meteorologist’ who flunked undergrad) as their ‘experts.’

   Pielke Sr, Christy, Spencer, Curry. Watt’s has peer reviewed papers published..how many you have? What credentials does the head of the IPCC have?

   you are coming to the incorrect conclusion that, somehow, natural forces are not taken into account in AGW models, as well as the conclusions scientists come to.

   Natural forces aren’t included in the models. Show me where they are included before they happen…ie volcanos, hurricanes, droughts, etc

8. cathy

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM

   Matthew, Here is even seen “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” it’s one of many looks at how government gets involved in science. If it’s not governments place to support one scientific belief, then it shouldn’t be supporting any, which it does.

   Unlike on other issues you started name calling on this one. A sign of a closed mind. You don’t come off as “this is my opinion”. You called, people “knuckleheads” for not believing as you believe. And “They’ll wake up in a dessert and still not believe”. You talked about us like we are nuts. And now you admit that there are scientists that believe human activity is only minor impact on warming and other scientists believe human have no impact and they aren’t treated as “nut”. Read the comments you made to us (the disbelievers) and then tell me again. How you didn’t treat us as “nuts” That its just my willfully partisan interpretation. You spoke to us on this topic in the same way all climate change supporters talk to the non-believers be they scientists or not.

9. Hillbilly

   Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:34 PM

   Sam – 2012 was the warmest year on the record, still denying climate change righties ?

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   We’re talking global warming not USA.

10. Doug Z

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Hillbilly

    The warmest years were around 1100 BC

11. Mark2

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Republicans only believe in Free Speech when they agree with what is being said.

12. Doug Z

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    the warmest around 1600 AD or 1600 in the modern age for the liberals, Dems

13. Hillbilly

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Now maybe you “believers” can explain this to me. Nature can’t be the main cause of GW, but it can stop/slow it down. So if nature is the cause of the recent lull why do anything? Just let nature take care of things.

14. Doug Z

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    I meet coldest 1600 in the modern age, 1600AD

15. Hillbilly

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    MSNBC wins most of the weekend.

    C’ya

16. Ratboy

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    @ Mark2
    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM
    Republicans only believe in Free Speech when they agree with what is being said.

    How about a few examples of Republicans not beleiving in free speech? I dont me one guy here or one guy there I mean Republicans as a whole not beleiving in free speech!

17. Doug Z

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    That is going back 2600 BC

18. Doug Z

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Mark2 , I am not a Reb, I am even more hated, a fiscal neocon. We write to each other all the time. Fun ha?

19. cathy

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    @RedBarSoup, But the name of the bill is the Affordable Health care act. If my health care is still going up how did the act help with Health care cost. How does a shortage of nurses impact Health care costs? I can see how it impacts my wait time at a hospital or doctor but not the cost.

    Obama said he was going to make health care cheaper and he hasn’t.

    Where there’s a liberal there’s an excuse.

20. Ratboy

    Posted January 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    @ Where there’s a liberal there’s an excuse.

    Well Bush said……, well Cheney did…… well when Bush was in office…… and on and on and on and on and on and……………………………….