Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, February 13, 2013

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1. clinging to my god

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 7:20 PM

   ‘Republicans have done this to Obama even BEFORE he became President’, yeah and you know what happened to them..Rubio knows too, that’s why he’s keeping his fingers crossed…

2. Matthew

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 7:34 PM

   Think if the situation was reversed and President Obama was being criticized we would be hearing about the veiled racism?

   Well, you know, it might be somewhat dependent upon whether or not the criticism is “It sure was awkward when Obama lunged for that tiny bottle of water” versus “He’s a secret Muslim Kenyan! His values are not our values! He’s not one of us! Show us your college transcripts!” Anti-Obama sentiment has always had an undercurrent of othering (including when it was coming from the Hillary campaign), which is an implicit appeal to prejudice, racial or otherwise.

3. Matthew

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 7:43 PM

   Incidentally, I don’t really understand why the Republicans (or any political party) would choose to task a rising star with the SOTU response. Can anyone think of, off the top of their head, a really excellent SOTU response that raised the political fortunes of the person delivering it?

   It’s just an unpleasant task for the speaker: on the one hand, you have the president, in a packed house, delivering what must necessarily be a positive speech, even during bad times. He’s bound to have an endless string of applause lines for his own party, and in this case it’s also directly following an electoral victory.

   Contrast that with the opposition response: one guy, delivering a speech with no audience, that must by it’s nature be negative, pessimistic. It really just seems like a thing that we continue to do, because it’s always been done, even though it’s never of benefit to the opposition party, or the person given the unfortunate task of delivering the response.

4. Bobbyv

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM

   Matthew,

   Good to have you back. You Illustrate my point, though. Is that any less hateful than “GWB knew about 9/11 and wanted Americans to die”, among many other things said? The difference is that critics (nuts in many cases but honest critics in others) on the right are bigots first, ask questions later. Did the criticism of GWB have an “othering”. How about Herman Cain, except you did not hear as much about the code words when he was being scorched. I am more worried about the bigots who come in the name of friendship vs the obvious ones who are much easier to spot.

5. AppleStinx

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:02 PM

   To the frequent flyers:
   American Airlines to merge with US Airways to create world’s largest airline. According to AA, my frequent miles are safe (I just don’t know what kind of trips they’ll be good for).

6. Stan T.

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:08 PM

   Matthew
   Posted February 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM
   Yes, keep telling yourself that the policies that 71% of Hispanic voters rejected are going to be suddenly embraced, if you just deliver them in Spanish; it’s not the substance, it’s the delivery! Y-yeah, that’s the ticket!

   *******************************************

   It’s the decades of the left controlling what hispanic voters hear, with all the lies the left tells…Now there is a conservative voice out there in the hispanic community and the left are not going to be happy with hispanics hearing the truth…

7. Matthew

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:19 PM

   Is that any less hateful than “GWB knew about 9/11 and wanted Americans to die”, among many other things said?

   It’s not less hateful, but it’s also a completely different type of appeal – it does nothing to play to racial intolerance, while the college records and birther stuff clearly does.

   Again, and I said this here last night, the Republican party is suffering some of the consequences of the success of people who are inflammatory by nature. Like it or not, people with really comprehensive, policy-based criticisms of the president don’t generate a lot of buzz, either on the left or the right.

   You can count on places like MSNBC to highlight the nuts, but Fox isn’t helping by also highlighting the nuts. A well-written, wonky article about debt-to-GDP, government authority, progressive taxation, or any other policy criticism a person might have about Obama doesn’t generate the sort of buzz that Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh do with their self-aggrandizing nonsense. It’s even worse when you have primary frontrunners who are using this rhetoric.

8. Matthew

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:29 PM

   It’s the decades of the left controlling what hispanic voters hear, with all the lies the left tells…Now there is a conservative voice out there in the hispanic community and the left are not going to be happy with hispanics hearing the truth…

   There’s always an excuse. “This group is brainwashed by college, this group is brainwashed by the media, this group wants free stuff, this group is irresponsible…” on and on and on. Are you aware that Romney lost the Asian vote by an even larger margin than he lost Hispanics?

   What’s your built in excuse for that? He lost women, black voters, Asian voters, Hispanic voters, Pacific Islanders, Catholics, Jewish voters. When does it finally reach a point where there’s some flash of introspection, some level of personal responsibility, some moment where the GOP says “It’s not them, it’s us.” Now, I’m no political strategist, but I’m pretty sure a mentality of “our electoral loss is not our failure, but the voter’s failure” is not likely to lead to victory, especially when you express that sentiment publicly.

   “We lost because you guys are too stupid and selfish to appreciate us!”

9. 1966

   Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:30 PM

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z-HRbsejTyw

10. Stan T.

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    @Matthew

    “You can count on places like MSNBC to highlight the nuts,”

    They’ve been highlighting themselves?

11. Ralph Hahn

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Can you smell the B.S. MSNBC is cookin’? While Hannity killed Rachel in the demo, O’Donnell only beat Greta by 2,000 viewers in the 25-54 category. Going to try to tell us that Rachel was off again? She wouldn’t be able to take time off THIS week.

12. Bobbyv

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    Matthew,

    True, hyperbole sells the same way sex does. My point about GWB does not play to racial intolerence, but the lack of outrage when black republicans are criticized does. I understand your point about Fox. I usually end up defending them but at the same time realize their conduct is not always above reproach. I do think the media will play up stuff from Trump or Limbaugh to use as an anchor for the rest of the R’s. There are plenty of bomb throwers on the Left who say stupid hurtful things (Alan Grayson was one) but you do not hear much about them.

13. Doug Z

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    To much name calling tonight. The hate is going. I am going to bed.

14. Bobbyv

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Doug,

    I think it’s better than usual tonight but you are right, it’s a school night, BBT

15. 1966

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=q63XogYTIcc

16. Matthew

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    There are plenty of bomb throwers on the Left who say stupid hurtful things (Alan Grayson was one) but you do not hear much about them.

    That’s exactly the point I’m trying to make. These people exist on the left, the difference is that they don’t have nearly the level of prominence, popularity, and reach. If Alan Grayson hosted a show that had 15 – 20 million viewers (many of whom are very politically engaged, and the type of people who actively turn out in primaries) then the Democratic party would be having similar issues, but that’s not the present reality.

    If we’re being brutally honest, what would you say was the biggest point of contention between the candidates in the Republican primary last year: which candidate has the best policy solutions for unemployment, or which candidate is the ‘most conservative?’ The fact of the matter is, the candidates themselves chose to make conservative purity a core argument, in their debates, in their attack ads, in their speeches, and that just isn’t appealing to general election voters.

    Now, when 2016 rolls around, do you suppose that Democratic candidates are going to go into a state like Iowa, and try to fight one another over who is the most liberal, try to out-left one another, or describe themselves as ‘severely liberal?’ Not bloody likely.

17. AppleStinx

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Clippers clobber lowly Lakers. Sweet.

18. AppleStinx

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    BHM (cont.)
    “(I Love You) For Sentimental Reasons”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79OO2BV6OBc

19. Mark2

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    @AppleStinx “Fox News was the most watched cable news channel during the address, before and after.”

    NOT!!! Here’s the numbers for the key demo and the total viewers:

    25-54 Demo Viewers
    #1 – NBC = 2,688,000
    #2 – ABC = 2,054,000
    #3 – CBS = 1,977,000
    #4 – CNN = 1,436,000
    #5 – MSNBC = 1,028,000
    #6 – FNC = 957,000

    Total Viewers
    #1 – NBC = 6,469,000
    #2 – CBS = 6,400,000
    #3 – ABC = 5,494,000
    #4 – FNC = 3,683,000
    #5 – CNN = 3,635,000
    #6 – MSNBC = 3,034,000
    #7 – FOX = 2,120,000

    NEXT!!!

20. AppleStinx

    Posted February 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    @Mark2

    What part of “cable news channel” did you not understand?