NBC: 'Smash' Is Likely To Be Canceled

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February 19th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- February 14, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
Smash :cry: :cry: 0.76
The New Normal :oops: 0.79
Guys With Kids :oops: 0.80
1600 Penn :oops: 0.82
Whitney :| :| :| 0.87
Deception :oops: 0.88
Go On :) :) :) :) 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Community :| :| :| 0.98
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.12
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
The Office final season 1.32
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.33
Up All Night :oops: pending
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

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This is a special "short week" holiday edition of the NBC Index, having been written the evening of Friday, February 15 with ratings through only February 14.

Community stole the NBC headline last week. This week Smash gets a turn. Its 1.2 adults 18-49 premiere rating immediately made it "likely to be canceled". Ah, the limelight.

Speaking of Community, its 1.2 rating on Thursday night, has me dropping it from "certain to be renewed" to "toss up". As always noted, with few data points, predictions can change quickly.

And only on the ratings disaster that is 2013 NBC sitcoms, does Whitney's 1.2 rating also move it to a "toss up", and Go On's lowest rating of 1.3 now elevates it to "likely to be renewed". Ye Gods.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.
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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.

Notes:

  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

 
  • Honey Badger

    Another day, another night of NBC shows dropping in the ratings.
    Last night: “On NBC, Community scored a series low 1.1 down 8 percent from last week’s 1.2 adults 18-49 rating. Parks and Recreation earned a series low 1.3 down 13 percent from last week’s 1.5 adults 18-49. A second episode at 9PM garnered a 1.4 among adults 18-49 at 9PM, compared to last week’s 2.0 for regular time period occupant The Office. 1600 Penn garnered a series low 1.0 adults 18-49 rating down 9 percent from a 1.1 for its last original on February 7.
    On the CW, The Vampire Diaries earned a 1.3 from up 30 percent from last week’s 1.0 adults 18-49 rating” Written By Sara Bibel February 22nd, 2013 tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com

    Latest NBC shows 18-49 rating, wow, I never thought I would see this other than the CW.: American Ninja Warrior” 0.7, Do No Harm* canceled 0.7, Animal Practice* canceled, Smash 0.9, The New Normal 1.0, 1600 Penn 1.0, Community 1.1, Guys With Kids 1.0, Whitney 1.1, “Rock Center with Brian Williams” 1.2, Deception 1.1, Go On 1.1, NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1, Sunday NBC Dateline 1.0, Up All Night * retooling show 1.3, 30 Rock * final season complete 1.4, “Dateline NBC” 1.4, Betty White’s Off Their Rockers 1.4, Parks & Recreation 1.4, Grimm * Friday, 11/16/2012 1.6, Parenthood 1.7, Law & Order: SVU 1.7, The Office * final season 2.1, Chicago Fire 1.9, The Biggest Loser 2.1, Revolution *Monday, 11/12/2012 2.6, The Voice averaged 4.3 and NBC NFL Sunday Night Football averaged 8.2
    Additional, NBC needs to do something about Friday, Saturday and Sunday and their cutting cost low rated shows, NBC looks like they have just given up. Look at what NBC did with their complete weekend line up of shows: Friday: NBC Dateline (8-10PM) 1.3, NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1 Saturday: NBC American Ninja Warrior 0.6, NBC Chicago Fire -R 0.4, NBC Saturday Night Live (10-11PM)- -R 0.7 Sunday: NBC Dateline 1.0, NBC Betty White’s Off Their Rockers – R 0.9, NBC Saturday Night Live in the 90s (9-11PM)- R 1.4

    What would you do if you were the president of NBC?

  • Oliver

    From @sitcomsonline:
    Repeats of @NBCWhitney will replace @NBCGuyswithKids starting March 6 at 830p. @NBCBetty takes over April 10 8-9p when Whitney ends.

  • Honey Badger

    to everyone that post comments at tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com , thanks for all your great comments, they are informative, educational and fun

    @ STEVE, Thanks, great post, great article, I especially like Bob Greenblatt quote, sounds like he has given up
    STEVE
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 8:34 AM
    “NBC IS NOW THE WORST NETWORK!!!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/nbc-sweeps-fifth-place-ratings-univision_n_2735466.html”
    NBC Sweeps: Network Falls To Fifth Place In TV Ratings Behind Univision For February
    The Huffington Post | By Chris Harnick Posted: 02/21/2013 4:27 pm EST
    Bob Greenblatt, chairman of NBC Entertainment.” “You get the feeling that it’s never gonna be possible to move the needle again,” Greenblatt said. “You just keep fighting against the forces that are coming at you in a crowded environment, with more programming on more networks than in the history of our business, and you start to feel like it’s never gonna be possible to do anything dramatic.”

    @ Doug, Thanks, great comments, I agree with all of them

    @ Fred, Thanks, great comments
    Fred
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 7:54 AM
    I’m also suprised at how hard and fast NBC’s forturnes have fell.
    I just read a very long and detailed article in TV GUIDE MAGAZINE about many favored pilots for next season. A record number are expected to be airing on the 5 networks.
    NBC most likely will cancel a big chunk of their current line up to make room for new pilots.

    @ Oliver, Thanks great comment
    Oliver
    Posted February 19, 2013 at 8:27 AM
    @Brian J
    Because NBC are fools.

    @ mando, thanks great comments
    mando
    Posted February 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM
    NBC doesn’t know what programs people like.
    And doesn’t know how to schedule making stupid line-up

    @ Michael, Thanks, great post
    Michael
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 8:04 AM
    “Smash” just lost to TBS’s comedy hour of “Cougar Town” and “Big Bang Theory” re-run.

    @ mwc, Thanks, great comment
    mwc
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 8:00 AM
    At this point maybe NBC should just become the second chance network. Pick up stuff that gets higher ratings at other networks but still got cancelled. They could run CSI:NY on Thursdays against CSI and hope to capture the confused demographic, probably be higher ratings than whatever they replace the office with.
    I still think CBS stole NBC’s mojo when CBS picked up JAG which CBS ran as a hit for years before spawn 2 bigger hits. Maybe NBC can steal it back by grabbing the Mentalist or Last Resort.

  • Honey Badger

    @ Oliver, thanks, great info.
    seems like NBC does not have anything good on deck to replace their low rated and sinking shows.
    a new Whitney latest 18-49 rating 1.1, Betty White’s Off Their Rockers 1.4
    WOW, is NBC in trouble

    Oliver
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM
    From @sitcomsonline:
    Repeats of @NBCWhitney will replace @NBCGuyswithKids starting March 6 at 830p. @NBCBetty takes over April 10 8-9p when Whitney ends.

  • Rebecca

    I’ll give Whitney this: Peter Gallagher is well cast as her dad. I don’t know how old he is, but she could easily pass for his daughter. They look very much alike.

    And nice to see British comedian/actor Matt Lucas on Community last night as Abed’s friend Toby at the convention. I had just been watching his old “Little Britain” and “Come Fly With Me” episodes on Netflix (very funny). And I hope Community survives…last night’s episode was better than the first two of the season.

  • BB

    I think it would be easier just to cancel NBC.

  • Nick

    @Ultima

    You work for NBC, Ultima?

    Ha! No.

    Lol! I’ve been in that exact position before. Someone on TV Line accused me of being a NBC executive.

    (Would that make my job better than yours? ;-)

    @Fred

    I just read a very long and detailed article in TV GUIDE MAGAZINE about many favored pilots for next season. A record number are expected to be airing on the 5 networks.

    What article did you read? The article that I read was basically a list of pilots with nothing about how the networks are going to pick up lots of pilots.

    @Michael

    “Smash” just lost to TBS’s comedy hour of “Cougar Town” and “Big Bang Theory” re-run. In other words, “Leno defeats Conan despite inferior lead in program.”

    That is irrelivant, because Smash is not Leno’s lead-in. Local programming is.

  • Oliver

    Given that OTR is moving to Wednesday, my guess is the post-Voice slot will go to double-pumped episodes of Save Me (which I think is insane for such an obviously unappealing show). If so, that should pretty much guarantee renewal for the show.

    I wonder if they plan to renew Goon/Save Me/Parks and cancel the rest of their sitcoms.

  • Honey Badger

    Michael
    Posted February 22, 2013 at 8:04 AM
    “Smash” just lost to TBS’s comedy hour of “Cougar Town” and “Big Bang Theory”

    @ Michael, great post and information
    1. This is a great example of the disaster NBC is now. “Smash” has been called one of the most expensive programs on television. Last year, even with a great lead-in “The Voice”, “Smash” bombed with constantly dropping ratings. NBC renewed the show and put in new show runners, writers, and different cast members. Then put it on midseason with a bad lead-in show. And of course “Smash” has a 0.9 18-49 rating. This is much lower than the embarrassing and laughed at “The Jay Leno Show” primetime show ratings.
    2. For a new “Smash” (that has been called one of the most expensive programs on television), to be beat in the ratings by TBS’s comedy hour of “Cougar Town” and “Big Bang Theory” is just too embarrassing for words.
    3. The reason “The Jay Leno Show” in primetime was cancelled, was that the local affiliates revolted against NBC, and said that the low ratings were hurting their local programing (like the news), that came on after Leno in primetime.
    4. A lot of people blamed The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien low ratings on the low ratings of “The Jay Leno Show” in primetime. Since NBC current 10pm television programs now have a much lower ratings, and The Tonight Show with Jay Leno has much better ratings than The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien. And Tonight Show with Jay Leno is the number 1 late night show. Proves those people wrong.
    5. Since the local network affiliates revolted before, and NBC ratings are much lower now than when they revolted before, could they revolt again?

    WOW, The Jay Leno Show in primetime was doing better in ratings than the current shows NBC has in 10 pm slot. Although the show was making a lot of money for NBC when they took it off the air (due to its low cost) , NBC affiliates hated it as a lead in for their local news.

    NBC 10pm shows 18-49 ratings now: Monday – NBC Deception 1.2 18-49 rating, Sunday – NBC Saturday Night Live in the 90s (9-11PM)- R 1.4, Saturday – NBC Saturday Night Live (10-11PM) -R 0.7, Friday – NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1, Thursday – NBC Law And Order: SVU -R 0.9, Wednesday – NBC Chicago Fire 1.9, Tuesday (two weeks ago due to The State of the Union 2013 this week) , NBC Smash (9-11PM) -Season Premiere 1.2,
    Not only is NBC in big trouble, it looks like they have given up. They put repeats and low cost shows on Friday, Saturday and Sunday that have no chance of getting good ratings. Looks like they are going back to cutting costs, just like in the old The Jay Leno Show Primetime days.
    Look at what NBC id with their complete weekend line up of shows: Friday: NBC Dateline (8-10PM) 1.3, NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1 Saturday: NBC American Ninja Warrior 0.6, NBC Chicago Fire -R 0.4, NBC Saturday Night Live (10-11PM)- -R 0.7 Sunday: NBC Dateline 1.0, NBC Betty White’s Off Their Rockers – R 0.9, NBC Saturday Night Live in the 90s (9-11PM)- R 1.4

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jay_Leno_Show
    “NBC originally expected to benefit by offering an inexpensive comedic alternative to the procedurals[49] (“100% more comedy and 98% fewer murders!”[26]) and other one-hour dramas that typically air at 10 pm, and by offering new episodes 46 weeks each year versus 22.[12][26][50][51] While Leno was not necessarily expected to be competitive with the higher-rated scripted shows on ABC and CBS in its time slot, its projected cost of production was far lower and thus it was expected to be profitable to the network,[10] and product integration intended to make the show “as DVR-proof as you can be on television in this era”.[52] Each airing of Leno cost about $350,000[53] to $400,000[48] versus up to $3 million for an hour-long drama, saving NBC $13 million each week without the network needing the show to beat its competitors.[48] Those costs include the services of 22 writers,[31][54] whom Leno called the “top 5% of the highest-paid . . . in the Guild.”[23]”

    “NBC saw a 1.5 rating for the show in the 18–49 demographic as “viable”[8] and a 1.8 as a “home run”.[56] NBC told Leno that at a 1.5 rating, NBC makes $300 million a year.[54] Tonight at 11:30 pm earned about a 1.3[10] to 1.5;[48] the television audience at 10 pm is 40% larger than at 11:30 pm, and the network hoped Leno’s audience would also grow.[51] Industry observers have cited a range of ratings, from 1.7[53] to 2,[48][57] as being necessary for the show to succeed at 10 pm. By comparison, 2.5 is generally necessary for a 10 pm drama to succeed;[56] those that earned a 1.7 or less during the 2008–2009 season were generally cancelled.[8] NBC’s prime-time dramas averaged about 2 during 2008–2009.”

    “The first episode of The Jay Leno Show earned “fast national” estimates of 17.7 million viewers, an 11 Nielsen rating (5.1 among persons 18–49) and an 18 share, significantly above both his Tonight finale and the debut of The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien in all categories.[58] By the second week and competing against season premieres, the audience fell to six million viewers, still on par with or exceeding NBC projections.[59] As of November 1, 2009, The Jay Leno Show has averaged a 1.98 in the adults 18–49 ratings and 6.594 million viewers.[60] During the week before Christmas, the ratings dropped to 1.4 during the week.[61] Prior to the controversy regarding the move of the Jay Leno Show to 11:35 p.m., viewership bottomed out at 4.799 million viewers, although there was a slight bump as word of the controversy broke.[62]”

    “Though the show had been meeting the network’s projections for the show itself, it has been severely detrimental to the ratings of the late local news on NBC affiliates. Several stations across the country have seen what is known as the “Leno Effect”, where the lower audience for Leno (as compared to NBC’s scripted prime time offerings) translated directly into a domino effect of severe audience drops for late local news (on the order of 25–30%),[63][64] effects that NBC had underestimated.[16]

  • Ultima

    @Steve
    You’re wrong. CW beat NBC in sweeps and NBC is now LAST!

    I have no words…

    :roll:

  • Ultima

    @Honey Badger
    Ultima will vigorously defend NBC in the face of overwhelming evidence, objective reasoning does not work with Ultima – I have tried with tons of data. And using words like trends sets Ultima off on some illogical rant to defend NBC. I think from now on I will just read Ultima’s comments and laugh at how amusing they are, at first I thought Ultima was just a slow at getting it or just being funny, but now I think Ultima must work for NBC in some capacity.

    Resorting to an ad hominem is clearly a sign that you’re winning the argument… :roll:

  • Honey Badger

    @ Ultima, You posted “Resorting to an ad hominem is clearly a sign that you’re winning the argument”.
    No arguments with me. I discuss, I do not argue, fight, or take things personally. I come to tvbythenumbers.com to have fun. Television shows and ratings are just fun for me, I don’t have a vested interest in any of them. (with the exception of Hart Of Dixie) Clearly you see things as some type of argument or some type of contest. Maybe that is why you defend your changing positions so vigorously. And why you try so hard to find Got You moments. But that’s cool, you are very entertaining, and I like reading your posts and comments.

    BTW, I come to tvbythenumbers.com for fun, to learn, and to get information, and be entertained.

    @ Ultima Keep up your comments, and keep pushing NBC, they are very entertaining.. You have been defending NBC for a long time now. For a long time your posts and predictions were super optimist about NBC .
    Your optimism is even much greater than Bob Greenblatt, chairman of NBC Entertainment. His quote “You get the feeling that it’s never gonna be possible to move the needle again,” Greenblatt said. “You just keep fighting against the forces that are coming at you in a crowded environment, with more programming on more networks than in the history of our business, and you start to feel like it’s never gonna be possible to do anything dramatic.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/nbc-sweeps-fifth-place-ratings-univision_n_2735466.html
    NBC Sweeps: Network Falls To Fifth Place In TV Ratings Behind Univision For February
    The Huffington Post | By Chris Harnick Posted: 02/21/2013 4:27 pm EST

    And yes, I still think the way NBC is trending; they are heading to CW territory. Univision passsing NBC in the ratings, Yikes… NBC now being the 5th in network TV ratings. Also many people do not count CW as a major network due to their lack of programing on some days, etc…

    BTW, On the CW, The Vampire Diaries earned a 1.3 18-49 rating last night.
    Look at some of the latest ratings for some NBC shows. Ouch
    CW.: American Ninja Warrior” 0.7, Do No Harm* canceled 0.7, Animal Practice* canceled, Smash 0.9, The New Normal 1.0, 1600 Penn 1.0, Community 1.1, Guys With Kids 1.0, Whitney 1.1, “Rock Center with Brian Williams” 1.2, Deception 1.1, Go On 1.1, NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1, Sunday NBC Dateline 1.0, Up All Night * retooling show 1.3, 30 Rock * final season complete 1.4, “Dateline NBC” 1.4, Betty White’s Off Their Rockers 1.4, Parks & Recreation 1.4,
    Then look at NBC Friday – Sunday ratings: their cutting cost low rated shows, NBC looks like they have just given up. Look at what NBC did with their complete weekend line up of shows: Friday: NBC Dateline (8-10PM) 1.3, NBC Rock Center With Brian Williams 1.1 Saturday: NBC American Ninja Warrior 0.6, NBC Chicago Fire -R 0.4, NBC Saturday Night Live (10-11PM)- -R 0.7 Sunday: NBC Dateline 1.0, NBC Betty White’s Off Their Rockers – R 0.9, NBC Saturday Night Live in the 90s (9-11PM)- R 1.

    I know what you are thinking now, how can Honey Badger be so brilliant and soooo good looking. Well, It is hard to be this smart and beautiful, but I pull it off.

  • Honey Badger

    Another bad night for NBC, especially when Parks and Recreation had the heavily advertised wedding. Ben and Leslie (Amy Poehler) got married on “Parks and Recreation” Thursday night (Feb. 21), and Amy Poehler is the main character of the show. Usually wedding episodes of television shows really drive up the ratings. But for this show the ratings went down “Parks and Recreation earned a series low 1.3 down 13 percent from last week’s 1.5 adults 18-49”. Not a good sign for Parks and Recreation or NBC

    Another day, another record low and falling ratings for NBC shows.“On NBC, Community scored a series low 1.1 down 8 percent from last week’s 1.2 adults 18-49 rating. Parks and Recreation earned a series low 1.3 down 13 percent from last week’s 1.5 adults 18-49. A second episode at 9PM garnered a 1.4 among adults 18-49 at 9PM, compared to last week’s 2.0 for regular time period occupant The Office. 1600 Penn garnered a series low 1.0 adults 18-49 rating down 9 percent from a 1.1 for its last original on February 7.”

    February 22nd, 2013
    8:00
    CW The Vampire Diaries 1.3
    Overnight ratings for Thursday, February 21, 2013:

    Time Net Show 18-49 Rating/Sh Viewers (Millions)
    8:00 CBS The Big Bang Theory 5.4/16 17.35
    FOX American Idol (8-10PM) 3.9/10 13.50
    CW The Vampire Diaries 1.3/4 2.89
    ABC Zero Hour 1.1/3 5.32
    NBC Community 1.1/3 3.08

    8:30 CBS Two and a Half Men 3.9/11 13.44
    NBC Parks and Recreation 1.3/4 3.03

    9:00 ABC Grey’s Anatomy 3.0/8 8.54
    CBS Person Of Interest 2.9/8 14.13
    NBC Parks and Recreation 1.4/4 2.91
    CW Beauty And The Beast 0.6/1 1.56

    9:30 NBC 1600 Penn 1.0/3 2.30

    10:00 ABC Scandal 2.7/7 7.62
    CBS Elementary 2.3/6 11.05
    NBC Law & Order: SVU – R 1.1/3 3.86

  • jenny Y

    is there quite a chance that community would be canceled?please dont cancel it ,that is all i wish

  • Sammy

    The most recent episodes of NBC comedies performed between 1.1 and 0.9 except for P&R, who did a 1.4. So terrible, no matter how you look at it. At this point it is clear to me that numbers won’t matter for cancel/renweal decisions, but only personal reasons. For instance, whether they want to re-tool a show or two, or whether they want to keep in business with specific people (I’m thinking Matthew Perry and Ryan Murphy here) …

  • Ultima

    @Honey Badgr
    I discuss, I do not argue

    They’re synonyms…

    Sigh.

  • Ultima

    @Honey Badger

    From wikipedia:
    Argument – In logic and philosophy, an argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons for accepting a particular conclusion as evident.

    My use of the word had nothing to do with fighting.

    Then again, I’m not the one resorting to personal attacks instead of offering direct responses to your points. That would be you.

  • Ultima

    @Honey Badger
    And yes, I still think the way NBC is trending; they are heading to CW territory.

    2011-12 Live+SD average of NBC dramas through week of 20 February – 1.5

    2012-13 Live+SD average of NBC dramas through week of 18 February – 1.9

    NBC’s dramas are up 27% year-to-year.

    2012-13 Live+SD average of CW dramas through week of 18 February – 0.7

    Trending towards the CW?

    2011-12 season average of all NBC programming through week of 29 January – 2.5

    2012-13 season average of all NBC programming through week of 27 January – 2.9

    NBC was up 16% overall year-to-year. Obviously, their currently only even, but that’s because they didn’t have the Super Bowl this year.

    2012-13 season average of all CW programming through week of 27 January – 0.7

    Trending towards the CW?

  • Honey Badger

    @ Ultima, So sad you think and an argument and a discussion are the same thing. That is a Red Flag.
    Maybe that is why you are always quarrelling with EVERYBODY in your posts and trying to find Got You points. That seems to be you focus, always so negative and argumentative.
    At first I thought you were entertaining, now you are becoming scary
    The way you become obsessed with “winning the argument” is scary, and everything is an argument with you.
    We learned in school to watch for danger signs with people, and you display many of the characteristics of people they told us to stay away from.
    I had my friends and family review the site and all the postings. They loved the site and all the posters except you. They reviewed some of you postings over the last few months and came to the conclusion you are very argumentative, focused on “winning the argument” when none exist, and can’t except when you are wrong. They all said I should stay away from people like you and stop posting on this site.
    Also television on News also bring in experts to warn people what to watch out for on the internet, and you display many of the characteristics of people they told us to stay away from.
    Young women need to be careful in today’s world
    We were told what to do when we run into people like you

    With that said, I will not be posting at tvbythenumbers.com any more.
    To everyone at tvbythenumbers.com, it is a great site, and I appreciate all the people who make this site run, and all the commenters (except one).

  • Honey Badger

    @ Ultima, So sad you think and an argument and a discussion are the same thing. That is a Red Flag.
    Maybe that is why you are always quarrelling with EVERYBODY in your posts and trying to find Got You points. That seems to be you focus, always so negative and argumentative.
    At first I thought you were entertaining, now you are becoming scary
    The way you become obsessed with “winning the argument” is scary, and everything is an argument with you.
    We learned in school to watch for danger signs with people, and you display many of the characteristics of people they told us to stay away from.
    I had my friends and family review the site and all the postings. They loved the site and all the posters except you. They reviewed some of you postings over the last few months and came to the conclusion you are very argumentative, focused on “winning the argument” when none exist, and can’t except when you are wrong. They all said I should stay away from people like you and stop posting on this site.
    Also on television News they bring in experts to warn people what to watch out for on the internet, and you display many of the characteristics of people they told us to stay away from.
    Young women need to be careful in today’s world
    We were told what to do when we run into people like you

    With that said, I will not be posting at tvbythenumbers.com any more.
    To everyone at tvbythenumbers.com, it is a great site, and I appreciate all the people who make this site run, and all the commenters (except one).

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