NBC: 'Grimm' Is Certain To Be Renewed; Why Do Fans Want It Moved From Friday?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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March 19th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- March 10, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Smash canceled 0.65
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
The New Normal :oops: 0.77
1600 Penn :oops: 0.78
Guys With Kids* :oops: 0.81
Whitney :| :| :| 0.90
Deception :oops: 0.90
Go On :| :| :| 0.90
Community :| :| :| 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.01
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.21
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.43
The Office final season 1.43
Up All Night :oops: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

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The Cancellation Bear has been predicting that Grimm was certain to be renewed all season, why put it in the headline now? First, it hadn't been in the headline all season. Second, the headline question is one that often comes up in our comments. Third, the bear's still treading water on making any more definitive predictions on the three "toss up" sitcoms. (Community's dive back to a 1.1 rating last week got the bear to tread water even longer).

Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like "I party on Fridays").

Typical responses to that question are along the lines of "It deserves better". What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan's perspective) is renewal.

To pre-emptively answer those who'll howl that Smash has not been canceled, shows that are moved to Saturday in the middle of their run are canceled. To argue otherwise makes you look silly. Or worse.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.
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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.

Notes:

  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

 
  • Martin

    Should The New Normal be maybe changed to at least likely cancellation considering they scheduled the final two episodes last week after The Voice.

  • Brian J

    I’ve suggested for some time it might be a good idea to move it from Fridays.

    Based on its earlier Monday airings, it looks to have a fairly solid audience that will follow it wherever it goes. That’s not a small thing. If it aired on another night of the week, it probably wouldn’t lose viewers, and in fact it might gain them if only because more people seem to be watching on other nights. Perhaps by airing on Wednesdays or Thursdays at 9:00, it would inch up almost by default. Correct me if I am wrong, but as it stands right now, the show gains something like 60-70 percent in the DVR-factored in live plus three-day (C3) results, which might mean there’s a chance for NBC to drive viewers actually watching the program live, as opposed to within three days. This might make it easier to support shows around it. All of this is to say, perhaps it might get, say, a 2.5 on another night, before factoring in the majority of new viewers who haven’t seen it before. It’s only in its second season, so a lot of people haven’t decided on it yet. And were that to happen, it’d help the programs around it.

    There’s also the broader issue of how it fits into NBC’s schedule. It works on Fridays, no doubt about that. But based on what NBC needs on another night AND what NBC has ordered for next season, it could go in a lot of places. Rather than putting a bunch of new comedies on Thursdays that would do less than they would on another night or even struggle, why not go after an audience that isn’t really being served right now? It’d work on Thursdays for NBC paired with, say, Believe, Bloodline, and The Sixth Gun. NBC wouldn’t come in first, or even second, or perhaps even third, but it’d probably help NBC do better on the night, which is no small thing. If not Thursdays, then Wednesdays.

    I hope that explains it, even if I am verbose. I really believe the show could grow from where it is now, provided NBC is smart about it. Were I programming NBC, I’d move it to Thursdays or Wednesdays at 9:00 and put America’s Got Talent on before it in the summer. If that show holds up, enough new viewers would be exposed to it that NBC would almost certainly see growth in the show and whatever time slot it was put in.

  • Gene

    At this point, NBC knows it’s a really solid show, so why not see if it could do better somewhere else? Worst case scenario, its ratings stay flat and they move it back to Friday after a few months, then everything’s fine. Best case scenario, it actually grows somewhere else and helps NBC’s line-up do better overall. I wouldn’t mind it on another night, and I also really liked in Feb. when Fridays had Dateline and Rock Center together.

  • Brian J

    @cimmer:

    Big ratings gains, as opposed to small, natural but real increases, don’t really happen, but part of the reason for that is that the networks aren’t smart about doing it. I suspect it could happen to Grimm, but only if NBC put the show after one of its successes, like The Voice (not gonna happen) or better yet, America’s Got Talent over the summer.

  • pa3k

    Smash is canceled?

  • Just Desserts

    Might as well have GOON, Community, and Whitney as certain renewal. The ratings for NBC’s comedies suck so bad that any passable ratings have a good chance of survival.

    Deception is a toss-up for me. The longer Revolution stays off air, the more likely it loses its audience. There is a good chance that both of them are renewed or canceled just based on Revolution’s future ratings.

  • Brian J

    NBC should really consider moving TBL to Wednesday or Friday to support scripted programming that comes after it.

  • A

    Grimm should stay put. Cult shows like Grimm work well on Fridays. Besides the producers of the show don’t mind the timeslot in interviews they’ve mentioned how cool it is to have the old X-Files timeslot. NBC just needs to find a compatible lead in at 8. Considering how not much is working for them right now, a “genre-show” Friday could help them win at least one night of the week.

  • Shepherd

    @pa3k

    Smash is canceled?

    For all intents and purposes; yes. Burn off = canceled.

  • Jonny C…. formerly Jon

    Look…I wouldnt mind Grimm moved like most people but there are two reasons why it’s a bad idea.

    1) There is currently no spot on the NBC schedule that would fit Grimm and it’ll be successful…period ( some would argue Wednesday at 9 or 10 but it’ll just make the same ratings or worse as it does now) Mondays are Voice and revolution night…so thats out. Tuesdays are Voice and comedy and Parenthood ( which will def get renewed).Finally Thursday is comedy lineup ( which should remain unchanged if NBC knows better) which only leaves one spot… 10pm Thursday. Now you say well there you go….but when was the last time an NBC drama has been successful at that timeslot? Which leads me to:

    2) If it was in it’s first season I would agree, but most audiences tend to stay on watching a show on a certain day after 2 seasons…moving it now would be a bad bad bad idea. Moving it= higher expectations. If the show debuts on a Wednesday or Thursday night with the same ratings it has now…the show’s screwed. I’ll give you a better example: Revenge. Revenge was scored an avg of 2.5 rating last season. Since it’s moved to Sunday…it’s avg around a 2.2 with the last few epsiode below a 2. Now that’ll be even worse because Grimm has avg a 1.7 this season….how badly do you think it’ll fall if it gets moved?

    Sorry…be happy your show’s gonna be renewed. If you really have whine about it’s timeslot, get a DVR or get a Hulu Plus subscription.

  • Jonny C…. formerly Jon

    @Brian J

    Why would they waste their lead-in like that if they can help a new show succeed?

    People tend to forget that Grimm had a strong backing by the Olympics earlier this year and a hell of alot of promo and it scored a 2….in August. Yet it can’t scored past a 1.4 last week.

  • Oliver

    I imagine the argument is that it would be good for NBC if Grimm wasn’t on Friday, as it may perform better and fill a gap in their schedule.

    I think NBC should leave it the hell alone. It’s incredibly hard to find a solid Friday performer and it’s not worth the risk of moving it to a more competitive night.

  • Jonny C…. formerly Jon

    I’m hoping for GO ON and Community to hang in there. Whitney ends it’s second season next week….if it mantains it’s ratings…I can see it back next season. Which would be hilarious because everyone on here seems to hate this show since the beginning…so it would be funny to see this go another season.

  • Psac

    I agree, keep it where it is. It could end up surviving an extra season or two just from being on Fridays.

  • Elijah

    Is Grimm still certain to be renewed even after it tumbled all the way to a 1.4 this week? Thats awesome if it’s true!

  • James

    I think much of The New Normal’s faith depends on 1) what it pulls on its finale and 2) whether the new comedy pilots that NBC have ordered end up green-lighted or not. Scheduling the finale after The Voice NBC secures a couple things. First: greater audience (and possibly an excuse for its renewal). Second: be in good terms with Murphy, whatever ends up happening, because they gave the finale a proper time after their biggest hit. So, as they said in the Ancient Rome, “Alea iacta est”. As for me, I do hope it gets renewed, even if it’s as a replacement.

    PS. In spite of its Saturday’s burn-off, Smash hasn’t been “officially” cancelled…

  • Brian J

    @Jonny C and others:

    I certainly understand the argument that it should be left alone on Fridays, and perhaps it will be. I think it needs to be paired with similar shows regardless, however.

    But I disagree that it’s clear that it won’t be successful elsewhere. It might not be, but it could very well end up on another night and help NBC. The key is not so much promotion, even during the Olympics, which is helpful, but support from another program. When it was on Mondays, it didn’t have that. If it did, it might see increases. That’s why I said it should go on Thursdays at 9:00 over the summer with America’s Got Talent behind it.

    I don’t even think the show is necessarily screwed if it gets the same ratings on another night, but then I don’t think the show would get the same ratings. On Wednesdays or Thursdays at 9:00, I think it’d do at least a 2.0 in the demo, especially if NBC supports it the way I described. I could even see a 2.5, which would be a big, big deal.

    Let’s all remember The X Files really took off once it was moved from Fridays to Sundays.

  • JacobYates

    Why would NBC move Grimm from Friday? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  • Brian J

    @Elijah:

    That’s right in line with what it’s done in the past, even if on the lower side, and when you factor in all originals from this season, it’s up versus last season. There’s absolutely no reason at all NBC wouldn’t renew it–and that’s before you consider whether NBC owns the show, which it does.

  • Brian J

    @JacobYates:

    Depends on what else NBC wants to do. I know I am alone in thinking this, but I could see a reason to move Chicago Fire to Fridays and Grimm to another night. But if NBC leaves Chicago Fire alone, which it probably will, it could still move Grimm. In that case, I’d move SVU to Fridays at 10:00 for a final season, with The Biggest Loser leading off the night followed by a new drama. Then, at midseason, put a new show Fridays.

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