NBC: 'Grimm' Is Certain To Be Renewed; Why Do Fans Want It Moved From Friday?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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March 19th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- March 10, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Smash canceled 0.65
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
The New Normal :oops: 0.77
1600 Penn :oops: 0.78
Guys With Kids* :oops: 0.81
Whitney :| :| :| 0.90
Deception :oops: 0.90
Go On :| :| :| 0.90
Community :| :| :| 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.01
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.21
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.43
The Office final season 1.43
Up All Night :oops: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

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The Cancellation Bear has been predicting that Grimm was certain to be renewed all season, why put it in the headline now? First, it hadn't been in the headline all season. Second, the headline question is one that often comes up in our comments. Third, the bear's still treading water on making any more definitive predictions on the three "toss up" sitcoms. (Community's dive back to a 1.1 rating last week got the bear to tread water even longer).

Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like "I party on Fridays").

Typical responses to that question are along the lines of "It deserves better". What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan's perspective) is renewal.

To pre-emptively answer those who'll howl that Smash has not been canceled, shows that are moved to Saturday in the middle of their run are canceled. To argue otherwise makes you look silly. Or worse.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.
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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.

Notes:

  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

 
  • PurpleDrazi

    A) They did move it before and it didn’t make a difference. The ratings stayed about the same. So, why move it? It the ratings aren’t going to grow then use the spot for another show that might. Also,what Jacob Yates said above.

    and…

    B) It’s the only show I watch on Friday. At least leave me that.

  • Gene

    @JacobYates

    The problem is that NBC’s schedule is broke, and moving Grimm might be able to help fix it.

  • Brian

    @ Elijah

    The 1.4 is within the normal ratings range. If it were to drop under 1.2, then their’d be trouble.

    Also, why this issue again! It is staying on Fridays and that’s that! Let’s move on :)

  • Fake Me Out

    If Grimm is doing well for NBC on Friday and is therefore likely to see a 3rd season … and therefore at least a 4th season as well anything that may put that in jeopardy is foolhardy IMHO. Yes, putting it on another night MAY result in better ratings but it is as or more likely to result in a ratings collapse. How many shows over the years have been moved by execs tinkering with the schedule only to see the ratings tank in the new timeslot? Many more than ones that stayed even or increased ratings. Leave Grimm where it is and worry about fixing the other nights with new shows not shuffling around the few ‘hits’ you have.

    I also still say that NBC would be foolish to stick with Go On when it has shown it can’t stand on it’s own two feet. Saying once the Voice returns it’s ratings will increase just proves the point, dump it and try to find a show that can survive on it’s own. Knowing NBC I see them keeping it though … no one has said lately that TPTB @ NBC have a clue what they’re doing … damn monkey!

    ymmv

  • dragonfoxmem

    I agree that any show moved to Saturdays get cancelled. I remembered Fox’s long run comedy “Married with Children” got moved to Saturdays for a new season with COPS and got ratings dropped, ended up cancelling this show (last season)

  • Tessa

    “Fans want Grimm moved from Fridays because they want to see the shows potential on another night.”

    For what rational reason?

    Bragging rights and validation. Yes, that stuff exists between fandoms. Community fans may argue, “Our show deserves to be renewed more than Grimm. It’s on a competitive night. If you dare, move Grimm over to a M-Th slot, see how well it does.”

  • Rita

    Why has Deception been downgraded when its ratings have been stable — actually increased for its season finale? The only major incident since last time is Smash’s cancellation, which if anything, marginally improves Deception’s chances of renewal. Its ratings are not terrible for NBC(the other shows with comparable ratings are toss-ups), it has a stable audience that may follow it to another night, and it has a deep cast of legitimate actors. They may have erred in marketing it as a Good-led show (in an attempt to echo Revenge, Veronica Mars, and Scandal) rather than an ensemble cast, which is what it is, but that can be corrected second season. Certain to be cancelled is irrationally bearish (pun intended), short of some insider info that the rest of us don’t have. Seems to me that it could be expected to match or improve on its performance as a midseason replacement and/or a Friday or Sunday show.

  • http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

    “Bragging rights and validation.”

    That’s exactly the reason I’d guess.

  • James

    NBC won’t move Grimm. Every night needs an anchor, like The Voice on Monday, L&O:SVU on Wednesday, The Office on Thursday. Grimm is the only anchor on Friday. With an anchor they can build up new shows around it. NBC can pair up a new drama with Grimm next season (if they’re smart). Without Grimm, I doubt people would even tune in NBC on Friday.

  • Gene

    Um, Dateline Friday actually had really decent ratings when Grimm was on its 4 month hiatus.

  • TSC’s Revenge

    I’m torn about Grimm. I would like to see it get a better time-slot so it could develop a larger following. A larger following would guarantee year after year renewals. Anyway… if it gets renewed for next year that fine too. Especially, if that is really couldn’t do any better in another time-slot.

    Revolution is returning this week. My bet is, the ratings will take a precipitous drop relative to the pre-hiatus ratings…

  • Christine

    I have fond memories of watching The X-Files on Friday nights, it’s just a good night for these kinds of shows. There’s never anything on Fridays these days so it’s good to have something creepy and fun to watch.

  • Richard Steven Hack

    A network puts a show where it is because that’s where they think it will do well against the competition – or having moved all the OTHER shows for that reason, they have no other place to put the last show. There may be other minor reasons such pairing a show with another to improve the other show’s lead-in or whatever, but basically it comes down to beating the competition on the other networks.

    Asking to move a show means taking the risk that you’re smarter than the presumably more experienced scheduling guys who have probably more history as to schedule change effects than you do – and having the show actually do worse.

    I don’t bother with that stuff. I don’t make up speculative fantasy schedules. If that floats your boat, fine, but I couldn’t care less. The only reason I’d want to move any of my shows is to make some of the “dead” nights have more shows.

    For example, Tuesday night is mostly dead for me except for White Collar (now finished for the season) and Pretty Little liars (to be finished.) Now that Body of Proof is back, I have only one broadcast network show to watch on that night. Boring night except for PLL which is one show I really look forward to. Once it’s season is done, Tuesday is mostly dead to me.

  • Brian J

    @PurpleDrazi:

    They put it there for four episodes before, in typical schizophrenic NBC fashion, not showing the fifth until some later Friday. It also started in August. That’s hardly enough to say it wouldn’t work on another night.

    @Gene:

    That’s exactly it! It’s got a rock solid audience and would pair well with any number of shows NBC has in development.

    @Fake Me Out:

    You describe the reasons I expect NBC to entirely or almost entirely wipe its comedy slate clean next season. There’s only so much real estate, after all, and maybe it’s me, but NBC’s shows sound a lot better than they did this past season.

    @James:

    That’s exactly the reason it might make sense to move it. The airings on Monday show Grimm has a rock solid audience, one that will follow it to any night. It might make more sense to put that show on Wednesday or Thursday, pair it something similar, and focus on building Fridays with something else. Imagine if NBC could see a 2.0 across the board on Thursdays next season with a line up of Believe, Grimm, and Bloodline. That’d be a huge improvement from where the network is now, and it’s entirely possible to get.

  • Brian J

    @Christine:

    Did you also watch it on Sundays when it moved there?

    Perhaps NBC could split the difference in some way: move Grimm to a new night, paired with two new and similar dramas, and let one or two new, still similar dramas take over Fridays.

  • Richard Steven Hack

    TSC’s Revenge: “Revolution is returning this week. My bet is, the ratings will take a precipitous drop relative to the pre-hiatus ratings…”

    I suspect you’re right, but we won’t know until it happens. I still think its ratings will drift downward over the remaining episodes, if not actually collapse. But I think they could even collapse. As I’ve said, I think the show has no “there” there and eventually the general audience will see that like they did Ringer. But I could be wrong.

    But in my mind the show is SO badly done that I’m at a loss to explain its ratings so far. OTOH, quality as I discern it certainly does not equal ratings in every case.

  • gerry

    why would anyone want to move grimm when its performing well on the night it currently airs v throwing it on a different evening where its numbers could as easily fall as go up? that’s some silly logic to me.

  • Gene

    @gerry

    If that’s your logic then why should anyone take risks at all? Why do people gamble when they already have money? BECAUSE THERE’S A CHANCE FOR MORE!

  • Tommy M.

    Grimm fans should be happy that their show which airs on Fridays outperforms more than half of NBC’s scripted lineup. The show works there and is perfectly safe where it is. It should stay put because moving it could cause it’s ratings to get more scrutiny in the future. As is it would be renewed with these ratings on any night of the week, but that has more to do with the poor ratings of other shows.

  • Joseph

    If “Grimm” does get renewed, I expect NBC will move it away from Fridays next season.

    In it’s place, I suspect NBC’s Friday prime-time schedule will consist entirely of newsmagazines and reality.

    I expect that next season, CBS will be the only network carrying first-run scripted programming in prime-time on Friday nights. ABC, The CW, CFox and NBC will be all reality, reruns, or (in the case of ABC and NBC), newsmagazine shows.

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